Keni Smith Orig Ot Boot?

[Guest soulville]

I have a Keni Smith "lord, what's happening to your people" on general america records. Looks authentic, well worn label, b side a bit grubby, looks like it has been around for a while white label with black writing.

How can I tell if its an orig and does anybody have a value for one?

George

[Chalky]

origianl vinyl moulded label. boot styrene stick on label

[Pete S]

Also the original spells his name as Kenny. The boot spells it with an "I" instead of a "Y"

[Soul Shrews]

And isn't the original a little bit longer, with an accapella and handclaps fade out ?

Cheers Paul

[Pete S]

And isn't the original a little bit longer, with an accapella and handclaps fade out ?

Cheers Paul

It certainly is - the boot ends with him shouting "I wanna know Lord" and it's dead, the orig carries on with "whats happening to your people" and then it goes gospel. The version on Goldspot is different to this one in case anyone didn't know. Very similar, but a different take.

[Guest]

fantastic record IMO!!!! the original GAR demo has both sides pressed the same! was the boot different?

Edited June 14, 2007 by mossy

[Russ Vickers]

It certainly is - the boot ends with him shouting "I wanna know Lord" and it's dead, the orig carries on with "whats happening to your people" and then it goes gospel. The version on Goldspot is different to this one in case anyone didn't know. Very similar, but a different take.

I cant remember the difference between the mixes on the two labels, could somebody kindly post the two so we can make a comparison pse.

Russ

[Pete S]

Two radically different versions there - rumours are that the Goldspot release is just a bootleg but if so, where did they get hold of that version and having had that record - once - it certainly didn't look like a boot to me

[Dave Thorley]

Two radically different versions there - rumours are that the Goldspot release is just a bootleg but if so, where did they get hold of that version and having had that record - once - it certainly didn't look like a boot to me

I remember when they first appeared back in the day, many people said it was a boot, something to do KR when he was living in New York. But I think, it was a re-recorded by Kenny himself, I know he was contacted by a lots of people early/mid 70's and was aware the record was getting played in the UK. Maybe someone in the UK, with Kenny had a hand in it ?

[Simon T]

Two radically different versions there - rumours are that the Goldspot release is just a bootleg but if so, where did they get hold of that version and having had that record - once - it certainly didn't look like a boot to me

I remember when they first appeared back in the day, many people said it was a boot, something to do KR when he was living in New York. But I think, it was a re-recorded by Kenny himself, I know he was contacted by a lots of people early/mid 70's and was aware the record was getting played in the UK. Maybe someone in the UK, with Kenny had a hand in it ?

If I remember rightly, Kenni Smith told Andy Rix that the Goldspot version 'Lord what's happened'  is the original (check the Goldspot publishing on both records). When it was released on GAR they wanted it to have a more gospel feel to it, hence the different version and a title change.

And the reason why people   think the Goldspot one are boots, is that orginally a few copies came i

to the UK via Simon Soussan

[Guest martyn]

If I remember rightly, Kenni Smith told Andy Rix that the Goldspot version 'Lord what's happened' is the original (check the Goldspot publishing on both records). When it was released on GAR they wanted it to have a more gospel feel to it, hence the different version and a title change.

And the reason why people think the Goldspot one are boots, is that orginally a few copies came into the UK via Simon Soussan

Might be tempted to part with my Gold Spot issue if anyone fancies it.......

[Guest]

Might be tempted to part with my Gold Spot issue if anyone fancies it.......

How much?

[Guest martyn]

How much?

Its condition is IMO Ex-,so £150 or a decent swop ?

[Pete S]

Its condition is IMO Ex-,so £150 or a decent swop ?

That's a good price - if I hadn't just had one I'd jump at it

[Guest]

Its condition is IMO Ex-,so £150 or a decent swop ?

Cheers martyn about £60 shy off what i would pay,thanks Ken

[Dave Moore]

Goldspot is the original. Kenny then went on to become an executive at GA Records.

Regards,

Dave

www.theresthatbeat.com

www.hitsvillesoulclub.com

[Guest martyn]

That's a good price - if I hadn't just had one I'd jump at it

I think its a good price too,but the book price (300 for a minter?) is a bit OTT in my opinion.Mind you,I would want at least £250 for my GAR issue,far more desirable even if it is a 2nd issue.

[Guest martyn]

Cheers martyn about £60 shy off what i would pay,thanks Ken

Sent you a PM before I saw this reply-sorry Ken I wouldn't drop from £150 .....(unless I was skint )

Edited June 14, 2007 by martyn

[Pete S]

I think its a good price too,but the book price (300 for a minter?) is a bit OTT in my opinion.Mind you,I would want at least £250 for my GAR issue,far more desirable even if it is a 2nd issue.

The book price for everything is OTT going by the amount of people who sell on this site and have to half the book price to make a sale! And that includes me a lot of the time. I'd rate the GAR issue at about £150 - £175, a few years back it was very hard but there's a few turned up since, I'd never refer to it as a second issue though!

[Guest martyn]

The book price for everything is OTT going by the amount of people who sell on this site and have to half the book price to make a sale! And that includes me a lot of the time. I'd rate the GAR issue at about £150 - £175, a few years back it was very hard but there's a few turned up since, I'd never refer to it as a second issue though!

I didn't know there'd been more turn up,Ive had mine since 1980 & held onto it.At the time of aquiring it it was the 1st I'd seen.

[Guest]

I think its a good price too,but the book price (300 for a minter?) is a bit OTT in my opinion.Mind you,I would want at least £250 for my GAR issue,far more desirable even if it is a 2nd issue.

Isnt there at least two different issues on Gar,maybe three?........different intro`s and labels,i`m sure i used to have two of em`.

[Guest martyn]

Isnt there at least two different issues on Gar,maybe three?........different intro`s and labels,i`m sure i used to have two of em`.

I'm not sure mate,I'v never had two in the same room at the same time to compare labels.I only recall hearing the 2 different versions already posted though

[Pete S]

I didn't know there'd been more turn up,Ive had mine since 1980 & held onto it.At the time of aquiring it it was the 1st I'd seen.

I didn't see one til Tim Ashibende had one in about 1997 but have seen a few since then.

In fact he was asking £150 back then so I'm way out, it must be £200 now

Edited June 14, 2007 by Pete-S

[Guest martyn]

I didn't see one til Tim Ashibende had one in about 1997 but have seen a few since then.

In fact he was asking £150 back then so I'm way out, it must be £200 now

Thinking of it,I doubt whether I'd sell mine at all as I doubt I could ever get one back easily.I bought the Gold Spot one out of curiosity at a Coleville nighter in 78-not in the same league IMHO.

[Guest mel brat]

Whenever a Kenny Smith on Gold Spot appeared on Soul Bowl lists, it was on the "rarities" page and wasn't very often, so I'm guessing John Anderson regarded them as legitimate at least. They were also listed as the "original label".

Edited June 18, 2007 by mel brat