Mick Reed Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 hi could someone please put a scan on here so i can try and tell the differene between boot and original and what to look out for,i no about the size 45 and vinyl/strene but what else to look for in a original.many thanks mick.
Stuart Bower Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 Mick Reed said: hi could someone please put a scan on here so i can try and tell the differene between boot and original and what to look out for,i no about the size 45 and vinyl/strene but what else to look for in a original.many thanks mick. OKEH original issues always have a large 45 on the left hand side of the label with white OKEH logo at the top. The issues with small 45`s on the left hand side are genuine legal Columbia reissues though. Originals are stamped with ZSP in the dead wax (runout groove). Reissued for the second time again by Columbia in the late seventies with black lettering and ZSP 113544 in the runout.
Guest Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 There a VINYL COUNTERFEITS..with dodgy stamped in matrix. details as follows.. Counterfeit copies are VINYL. JZSP matrix is small staggered letters and reads J ZSP 113544 - 1C this stamped in matrix is untidy with staggered lettering. The original is STYRENE a with a stamped in larger level and evenly spaced matrix numbers & text, as used by Columbia.
Mick Reed Posted June 1, 2007 Author Posted June 1, 2007 The Soul Intention said: OKEH original issues always have a large 45 on the left hand side of the label with white OKEH logo at the top. The issues with small 45`s on the left hand side are genuine legal Columbia reissues though. Originals are stamped with ZSP in the dead wax (runout groove). Reissued for the second time again by Columbia in the late seventies with black lettering and ZSP 113544 in the runout. still a bit confused,what do rekon on this than mate ebay no 260122799225.mick
Mick Reed Posted June 1, 2007 Author Posted June 1, 2007 john manship said: There a VINYL COUNTERFEITS..with dodgy stamped in matrix. details as follows.. Counterfeit copies are VINYL. JZSP matrix is small staggered letters and reads J ZSP 113544 - 1C this stamped in matrix is untidy with staggered lettering. The original is STYRENE a with a stamped in larger level and evenly spaced matrix numbers & text, as used by Columbia. or god its a mine field john
Stuart Bower Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 Mick Reed said: still a bit confused,what do rekon on this than mate ebay no 260122799225.mick The label looks genuine-ask the seller if it`s styrene or vinyl (Thanks for adding that point John) and ask him what`s in the runout groove.
Mick Reed Posted June 1, 2007 Author Posted June 1, 2007 The Soul Intention said: The label looks genuine-ask the seller if it`s styrene or vinyl (Thanks for adding that point John) and ask him what`s in the runout groove. have done that thanks for help,see what he has to say.best mick
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 The Soul Intention said: Reissued for the second time again by Columbia in the late seventies with black lettering and ZSP 113544 in the runout. Don't all of these copies play the instrumental backing tracks of RT and 'Boston Monkey' - a legitimate mistake made at the pressing plant when they pulled the wrong tape in error? Never seen an 'all black' copy of the vocal(s) - although I don't suppose that I'd have been looking too hard back then, as I already had a Soul City and Okeh demo, and the LP, by the mid 70s...
Alan Pollard Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 Mick Reed said: still a bit confused,what do rekon on this than mate ebay no 260122799225.mick Mick, Looks like a boot to me although it has a large 45 the matrix on the right hand side is just SP instead of ZSP for issues and JZSP for demo's, perhaps John will verify this. Hope this helps, it certainly is a minefield but I have a bad feeling about this one and would stay clear of it. Regards Alan
Mick Reed Posted June 1, 2007 Author Posted June 1, 2007 Alan Pollard said: Mick, Looks like a boot to me although it has a large 45 the matrix on the right hand side is just SP instead of ZSP for issues and JZSP for demo's, perhaps John will verify this. Hope this helps, it certainly is a minefield but I have a bad feeling about this one and would stay clear of it. Regards Alan cheers alan i think your right mate, seller hasnt replied either.best mick.
Mick Reed Posted June 2, 2007 Author Posted June 2, 2007 JulianB said: Mick pm'd you. Julian pm'd yu julian
Mick Reed Posted June 2, 2007 Author Posted June 2, 2007 Supercorsa said: Here's a scan of my copy, hope this helps. thanks for the scan supercorsa,hopefully im sorted.mick
45cellar Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 Supercorsa said: Here's a scan of my copy, hope this helps. Expand Mick Reed said: thanks for the scan supercorsa,hopefully im sorted.mick Expand Right Track - Billy Butler - I happened to notice the JZSP on the Right Track Stock Copy, I have noticed this before on the Soul A Go-Go Stock Copies below. The Thing is; The one on the left has --------.-"JZSP115388-1D" Stamped in the Deadwax, and has ZSP115388 on the Label Whereas the one on the right has "ZSP115388-1B" Stamped in the Deadwax, and has JZSP115388 on the Label The complete opposite I have seen a White DEMO - But these are Stock Copies & the "J" DENOTES A demo normally ? Anyone else noticed this ? Strange ain't it I'm not suggesting either are rare, from my experence, quantities of each type are available.
Supercorsa Posted June 3, 2007 Posted June 3, 2007 45cellar said: The Thing is; The one on the left has --------.-"JZSP115388-1D" Stamped in the Deadwax, and has ZSP115388 on the Label Whereas the one on the right has "ZSP115388-1B" Stamped in the Deadwax, and has JZSP115388 on the Label The complete opposite I have seen a White DEMO - But these are Stock Copies & the "J" DENOTES A demo normally ? Anyone else noticed this ? Strange ain't it I'm not suggesting either are rare, from my experence, quantities of each type are available. No. I think you need to get out more.
45cellar Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 (edited) Supercorsa said: No. I think you need to get out more. You're Right, I do. I was just looking at the JZSP, ZSP & the copy with SP. (Printers error?) perhaps the first copies after the DEMO run and someone forgot to change the Matrix to ZSP. Edited June 4, 2007 by 45cellar
Jerry Hipkiss Posted June 4, 2007 Posted June 4, 2007 john manship said: There a VINYL COUNTERFEITS..with dodgy stamped in matrix. details as follows.. Counterfeit copies are VINYL. JZSP matrix is small staggered letters and reads J ZSP 113544 - 1C this stamped in matrix is untidy with staggered lettering. The original is STYRENE a with a stamped in larger level and evenly spaced matrix numbers & text, as used by Columbia. Yes, I got caught on this one some years back - you know how it is, several beers into the evening, and I found it in a box, a quick look at the matrix, yes, stamped so it must be original, can't fool me 'cos I've known about the boots for thirty years or so... wrong!! It's when you compare it to a proper one you realise that apart from being on vinyl, the label colour just doesn't look right. Oh well, we all have those moments I suppose... Hippo.
Mick Reed Posted June 4, 2007 Author Posted June 4, 2007 45cellar said: You're Right, I do. I was just looking at the JZSP, ZSP & the copy with SP. (Printers error?) perhaps the first copies after the DEMO run and someone forgot to change the Matrix to ZSP. thanks for everbody's info, so what it seems to be JZSP ZSP on stock copy styrene and black lettering and white logo are original. ... i think
Guest Dante Posted June 5, 2007 Posted June 5, 2007 My STOCK copy of The Right Track has JZSP 113544 ON THE LABEL and ZSP 113544 - 1A in the run out grooves
Mick Reed Posted June 23, 2007 Author Posted June 23, 2007 Hi Roger what do you think of this one? SP113544 on label,stamped ZSP113544-1B styrene. white Okeh, black lettering as you can see by scan. thanks, Mick
45cellar Posted June 23, 2007 Posted June 23, 2007 Mick Reed said: Hi Roger what do you think of this one? SP113544 on label,stamped ZSP113544-1B styrene. white Okeh, black lettering as you can see by scan. thanks, Mick Expand Hi Mick I have just been to have a look at the ebay listing 260122799225 -> same as your scan, SP113544 Matrix, but has Publisher Credits under the number. The Stamped Matrix, Large 45 denotes Original, Thanks for posting this. Looks like more variations and versions than we thought. Supercorsa said: Here's a scan of my copy, hope this helps. Expand
Mick Reed Posted June 23, 2007 Author Posted June 23, 2007 45cellar said: Hi Mick I have just been to have a look at the ebay listing 260122799225, same as your scan, SP113544 Matrix, but has Publisher Credits under the number. The Stamped Matrix, Large 45 denotes Original, Thanks for posting this. Looks like more variations and versions than we thought. thanks for that roger,just bought this was a little concerned but now sure its genuine.best mick.
45cellar Posted June 23, 2007 Posted June 23, 2007 (edited) TONY ROUNCE said: Don't all of these copies play the instrumental backing tracks of RT and 'Boston Monkey' - a legitimate mistake made at the pressing plant when they pulled the wrong tape in error? Never seen an 'all black' copy of the vocal(s) - although I don't suppose that I'd have been looking too hard back then, as I already had a Soul City and Okeh demo, and the LP, by the mid 70s... Hi Mick The Instrumental, as described by Tony. Small 45 RPM ->-- Stamped Matrix ZSP113544-1F Edited June 23, 2007 by 45cellar
Mick Reed Posted June 23, 2007 Author Posted June 23, 2007 45cellar said: Hi Mick The Instrumental, as described by Tony. Small 45 RPM ->-- Stamped Matrix ZSP113544-1F yeah see the difference, small 45 thanks for that mick
Mick Reed Posted July 27, 2007 Author Posted July 27, 2007 Hi Roger, here's another one, ZSP 115388 on label, stamped ZSP115388-1A in deadwax. Must be a few variations of labels and stamps. Regards, Mick.
45cellar Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Mick Reed said: Hi Roger, here's another one, ZSP 115388 on label, stamped ZSP115388-1A in deadwax. Must be a few variations of labels and stamps. Regards, Mick. Hi Mick Thanks so much for posting this, Label Variations such as these, I find Fascinating. Always difficult to find which Variation is the rarer, but just goes to show that just because one copy is different to another doesn't always suggest foul play. I can only assume that because Columbia pressed their own records, we are witnessing different times of promotion. Possibly in the order 1A - 2A etc with the corresponding Label & credit layout.
Guest Tom Walsh Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 45cellar said: Hi Mick Thanks so much for posting this, Label Variations such as these, I find Fascinating. Always difficult to find which Variation is the rarer, but just goes to show that just because one copy is different to another doesn't always suggest foul play. I can only assume that because Columbia pressed their own records, we are witnessing different times of promotion. Possibly in the order 1A - 2A etc with the corresponding Label & credit layout. Out of interest Okeh 4-7257 Vibrations is the rarest Okeh picture sleeve!!!!!!! Don't think JM was aware of it untill I informed him a few years ago, still consequentially he found me a copy!! Tom
45cellar Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Tom Walsh said: Out of interest Okeh 4-7257 Vibrations is the rarest Okeh picture sleeve!!!!!!! Don't think JM was aware of it untill I informed him a few years ago, still consequentially he found me a copy!! Tom Hi Tom Wow, gotta say I've never seen the Picture Cover for this. I have seen the Major Lance / Walter Jackson / Artistics etc, but not this one.
Guest Tom Walsh Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 45cellar said: Hi Tom Wow, gotta say I've never seen the Picture Cover for this. I have seen the Major Lance / Walter Jackson / Artistics etc, but not this one. The B side of "soul-go-go" is "and I loved her" was issued as a double sided demo with picture sleeve!!!! Sorry unable to do scans but maybe john has a scan of my copy!
45cellar Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Tom Walsh said: The B side of "soul-go-go" is "and I loved her" was issued as a double sided demo with picture sleeve!!!! Sorry unable to do scans but maybe john has a scan of my copy! Hi Tom Hope so, always good to hear that things like this Picture Sleeve exist. I don't know if anyone has actually listed the Okeh stuff that did have a Picture Sleeve. I'm not sure which was the first Okeh to have a Picture Sleeve, but as already mentioned have seen quite a few of the Major Lance singles treated to this extra collectable Item.
billb Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 (edited) On 23/06/2007 at 15:54, 45cellar said: Hi Mick The Instrumental, as described by Tony. Small 45 RPM ->-- Stamped Matrix ZSP113544-1F Expand I've got one of these but black OKeh - large 45, stamp looks good ZSP113544-1F always thought it was a boot? you can just about see the ZSP stamp bottom of picture Edited February 22, 2017 by billb
The Yank Posted February 22, 2017 Posted February 22, 2017 This is the first time I've ever seen an Okeh with the name in black. The MONO on the right side is also something that I've never seen before.
Chris L Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 On 22/02/2017 at 21:15, billb said: I've got one of these but black OKeh - large 45, stamp looks good ZSP113544-1F always thought it was a boot? you can just about see the ZSP stamp bottom of picture Expand I had one of these and compared it with an original, I'm sure it's a boot or at least some sort of re-issue
Mick Reed Posted February 23, 2017 Author Posted February 23, 2017 Think its a boot the re-issue was small 45 white lettering.
billb Posted February 23, 2017 Posted February 23, 2017 On 23/02/2017 at 13:35, Mick Reed said: Think its a boot the re-issue was small 45 white lettering. Expand Always thought it was a boot myself but someone's gone to a lot of trouble just to get the stamping such a mess.
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