Velvet Satins

[John Elias]

B4 i OFFER 4 SALE I need to authenticate this,if anyone can help please.....

The Velvet Satins......GENERAL AMERICAN GA-006 promo copy

PLUG SIDE...UP TO THE ROOFTOP.....deadwax...X opposite PLUG SIDE,inch and a half space then scratched in ZXSE 12303,inch space Bell Sound,inch space X

flip..............NOTHING CAN COMPARE TO YOU deadwax...(.at 7 o'clock)Bell Sound 3/4 inch space ZXSE 12304-RE-A

I am not quite sure if this is styrene, if you know what I mean,the overall condition is excellent and plays perfect,thanks in advance,John Elias.

Edited May 20, 2007 by dancingcollector

[Guest]

B4 i OFFER 4 SALE I need to authenticate this,if anyone can help please.....

The Velvet Satins......GENERAL AMERICAN GA-006 promo copy

PLUG SIDE...UP TO THE ROOFTOP.....deadwax...X opposite PLUG SIDE,inch and a half space then scratched in ZXSE 12303,inch space Bell Sound,inch space X

flip..............NOTHING CAN COMPARE TO YOU deadwax...(.at 7 o'clock)Bell Sound 3/4 inch space ZXSE 12304-RE-A

I am not quite sure if this is styrene, if you know what I mean,the overall condition is excellent and plays perfect,thanks in advance,John Elias.

How much?its right in my books

[John Elias]

How much?its right in my books

Not decided yet,will let you have first refusal.

[Guest]

Not decided yet,will let you have first refusal.

Cheers

[John Elias]

Anyone with the knowledge?

[John Elias]

bump,anyone please

[Guest]

Of coarse its real,Dancingcollector but i`m un-knowledgable

[Godzilla]

Unless it was booted twice with that label design this is a real one.

The 70s boot was pressed at Monarch and there's an MR stamp in circle and then the usual triangle and delta No 100301 X. Biggest giveaway is that the run out groove on the boot is massive - wider than the actual track in fact.

Godz

Edited May 21, 2007 by Godzilla

[Guest]

Boot!!

[Godzilla]

Boot!!

Yes, but I said "with that label design", Ken. If you splash out on a decent pair of specs you'll notice that there's a slight difference colour-wise

Godz

[45cellar]

Of coarse its real,Dancingcollector but i`m un-knowledgable

Hi

I saw this earlier, but I don't know if I this will help at all.

This is one of the Original DEMO's

I have the Vinyl Version of this, which has the "Bell Sound" & The "Nashville Matrix". Both Sides.

On the "Nothing Can Compare To You" Side. DeadWax as follows.

@ 06 Oclock "Bell Sound" Stamped

@ 05 O'Clock "ZXSE-12304 RE - 1D" Scratched

@ 02 O'Clock "Nashville Matrix" Stamped

@ 12 O'Clock "5" Scratched

Edited May 22, 2007 by 45cellar

[Guest]

Yes, but I said "with that label design", Ken. If you splash out on a decent pair of specs you'll notice that there's a slight difference colour-wise

Godz

Ah well,its monday.............Bell sound stamp will do me..........and the stamped X will do me. Dont mind paying boot prices tho`

[45cellar]

Unless it was booted twice with that label design this is a real one.

The 70s boot was pressed at Monarch and there's an MR stamp in circle and then the usual triangle and delta No 10031 X. Biggest giveaway is that the run out groove on the boot is massive - wider than the actual track in fact.

Godz

There is a Counterfeit copy White & Black Swirl with P.B. in the Deadwax.

I'm not sure, think it was on Vinyl, I'll try to find it.

[Godzilla]

Here's the white and red boot. Check the (huge) run out.

100301 dates it well into the 70s doesn't it?

Godz

[Guest]

There is a Counterfeit copy White & Black Swirl with P.B. in the Deadwax.

I'm not sure, think it was on Vinyl, I'll try to find it.

The one Dancin`C posted is styrene,raised label like HIB,Shrine,United artists,etc.

[Cheltsoulnights]

Boot!!

There is also a boot similiar to the original but the swirl is coloured in red

all the original designs (there are at least 3 (yellow, white block print + white swirl plus a red issue)

should be £250+

The issue is mega rare £400+

the funny thing is it was made at least twice with the credits reversed from left to right

hope this helps

[Guest]

all the original designs (there are at least 3 (yellow, white block print + white swirl plus a red issue)

should be £250+

The issue is mega rare £400+

the funny thing is it was made at least twice with the credits reversed from left to right

hope this helps

£250+ plus,forget it!!!............................its a boot!!

Edited May 21, 2007 by ken

[Godzilla]

£250+ plus,forget it!!!............................its a boot!!

You've lost me now Ken. The pic I posted with the Monarch stamps is a boot. If the other one with a similar label is Bell Sound stamped and no Monarch referrence surely it's legit?

Godz

[Godzilla]

Here's writer and Woodstock promoter Artie Kornfeld. I think he wrote Keeps on Burning for Burning Bush as well. Bloody hippy

Godz

[Cheltsoulnights]

You've lost me now Ken. The pic I posted with the Monarch stamps is a boot. If the other one with a similar label is Bell Sound stamped and no Monarch referrence surely it's legit?

Godz

Its real, always was

look on my site

ken was joking thats why

Edited May 21, 2007 by SaracensSoul

[Guest]

You've lost me now Ken. The pic I posted with the Monarch stamps is a boot. If the other one with a similar label is Bell Sound stamped and no Monarch referrence surely it's legit?

Godz

This one GodzGet with the program!!

[Godzilla]

Its real, always was

look on my site

ken was joking thats why

I can never tell. He keeps such a straight face...

Godz

[Guest]

I can never tell. He keeps such a straight face...

Godz

[45cellar]

Here's the white and red boot. Check the (huge) run out.

100301 dates it well into the 70s doesn't it?

Godz

Hi Godz

Here's the White and Black Swirl Vinyl Boot. Only Numbers Scratched in the DeadWax and P.B.

I was sold this as a real one, years ago at a Venue, but It's a BOOT.

------------* BOOT *

------------* BOOT *

[Godzilla]

That's a lot of boots for a record that's way too bloody fast

[Cheltsoulnights]

Hi Godz

Here's the White and Black Swirl Vinyl Boot. Only Numbers Scratched in the DeadWax and P.B.

I was sold this as a real one, years ago at a Venue, but It's a BOOT.

------------* BOOT *

------------* BOOT *

this is my spare demo

Edited May 21, 2007 by SaracensSoul

[Pete S]

There is also a boot similiar to the original but the swirl is coloured in red

all the original designs (there are at least 3 (yellow, white block print + white swirl plus a red issue)

should be £250+

The issue is mega rare £400+

the funny thing is it was made at least twice with the credits reversed from left to right

hope this helps

Sorry to disagree. I struggled to get £125 for a demo last year, in fact it went for something much lower when I put it on ebay after no-one bought it, I'd rate it £175 tops, the issue is rare but no more than £250

[Pete S]

Hi Godz

Here's the White and Black Swirl Vinyl Boot. Only Numbers Scratched in the DeadWax and P.B.

I was sold this as a real one, years ago at a Venue, but It's a BOOT.

------------* BOOT *

------------* BOOT *

This counterfeit is rare, it came out just before the styrene boot with the same design in early 1976. There's another boot which makes no attempt to copy any of the labels, pale blue with the label name at the top and one sided if I remember correctly. Also there's a yellow one...

[Cheltsoulnights]

This counterfeit is rare, it came out just before the styrene boot with the same design in early 1976. There's another boot which makes no attempt to copy any of the labels, pale blue with the label name at the top and one sided if I remember correctly. Also there's a yellow one...

Are you sure on the yellow one?

I bought one donkeys years ago for £10 as an original (didnt check)

[Guest mel brat]

Are you sure on the yellow one?

I bought one donkeys years ago for £10 as an original (didnt check)

Some guy wrote a definitive article on this record in an old Northern Soul fanzine several years ago. Apparently he owned a copy of every (LEGAL) issue and demo as he claimed it was his "favourite record" (it would have to be!) Anyway, he NEVER MENTIONED A YELLOW LABEL. There were styrene demos in black & white with red swirl, assorted vinyl demos in black & white (with varying sizes of type) and issue copy with red label/yellow swirl. If I can find the article I'll copy it out.

However, surely the obvious solution is to post up a known original label (or two) and leave the bootleg scans out of it altogether, as otherwise it just gets too damned confusing!

I'm assuming this copy - the most common styrene demo, and bought from Soul Bowl - is an original if it's of any help (though apparently the bag is harder to find than the record!) The label on this format is very distinctive with a shiny coated paper effect, which is not often seen on a record label in my experience. I assume the bootlegs/facsimiles did not mimic this! (The shine and texture on 'Dancing collector's' massive original scan looks authentic enough to me!)

Edited May 21, 2007 by mel brat

[Guest]

Some guy wrote a definitive article on this record in an old Northern Soul fanzine several years ago. Apparently he owned a copy of every (LEGAL) issue and demo as he claimed it was his "favourite record" (it would have to be!) Anyway, he NEVER MENTIONED A YELLOW LABEL. There were styrene demos in black & white with red swirl, assorted vinyl demos in black & white (with varying sizes of type) and issue copy with red label/yellow swirl. If I can find the article I'll copy it out.

However, surely the obvious solution is to post up an known original label (or two) and leave the bootleg scans out of it altogether, as otherwise it just gets too damned confusing!

I'm assuming this copy, from Soul Bowl, is an original if it's of any help (though apparently the bag is harder to find than the record!)

How would that help,unless somebody post one the same as thisand nobody as yet,but this is real i have no doubt whatsoever,but is the same as yours.

Edited May 21, 2007 by ken

[Guest mel brat]

How would that help,unless somebody post one the same as thisand nobody as yet,but this is real i have no doubt whatsoever,but is the same as yours.

So why write this???

"B4 i OFFER 4 SALE I need to authenticate this, if anyone can help please....."

[Guest]

So why write this???

"B4 i OFFER 4 SALE I need to authenticate this, if anyone can help please....."

I didnt,and we have authenticated it.

[Simon T]

issue copy with red label/yellow swirl.

is the only issue style?

[John Elias]

So why write this???

"B4 i OFFER 4 SALE I need to authenticate this, if anyone can help please....."

I wrote this because the matrix number is different to 56769 which is quoted in John Manship's bootleg guide,simple as that really.Cheers,John Elias.

[Cheltsoulnights]

is the only issue style?

Hi

as stated prevoiusly i have only ever had 2 copies of the issue. also it was at the same time. the credits on the left where on the right of the second copy.

strange but true

hope this helps

Pete

[SteveM]

Are you sure on the yellow one?

I bought one donkeys years ago for £10 as an original (didnt check)

Isn't the yellow one Canadian ?

[Sean Hampsey]

Isn't the yellow one Canadian ?

I had a Yellow one back in the 70's, Steve.

I heard it was Canadian soon after and bought it as a proper one (for a couple of quid)... but sold it for pennies a few years later as by then I believed it to be a boot.

Pretty sure it was.

The label design was unlike those above... just pure black type on a yellow background. Must be loads of them out there.

Is this the one you're referring to Pete?

Sean

[Guest martyn]

B4 i OFFER 4 SALE I need to authenticate this,if anyone can help please.....

The Velvet Satins......GENERAL AMERICAN GA-006 promo copy

PLUG SIDE...UP TO THE ROOFTOP.....deadwax...X opposite PLUG SIDE,inch and a half space then scratched in ZXSE 12303,inch space Bell Sound,inch space X

flip..............NOTHING CAN COMPARE TO YOU deadwax...(.at 7 o'clock)Bell Sound 3/4 inch space ZXSE 12304-RE-A

I am not quite sure if this is styrene, if you know what I mean,the overall condition is excellent and plays perfect,thanks in advance,John Elias.

EXACTLY the same as mine except mine is vinyl with a moulded over label

[Guest mikew4]

I had a Yellow one back in the 70's, Steve.

I heard it was Canadian soon after and bought it as a proper one (for a couple of quid)... but sold it for pennies a few years later as by then I believed it to be a boot.

Pretty sure it was.

The label design was unlike those above... just pure black type on a yellow background. Must be loads of them out there.

Is this the one you're referring to Pete?

Sean

I bought a yellow one at Wigan and still have it. It's vinyl with a HUGE run out. I can't remeber what I paid for it but would bet lots of monet that it's a boot.

Mike.

[Guest]

EXACTLY the same as mine except mine is vinyl with a moulded over label

What even a X in the run-out stamped,i doubt it Martyn.

[Guest martyn]

What even a X in the run-out stamped,i doubt it Martyn.

Yes,seriously Ken.I bought it off E-Bay a couple of years back.The raised X is only on the "rooftop"side.It feels to flexible to be styrene,(though I'm not about to test it too much).If it is styrene it feels very high quallity.Its totally different to the boot with the red spiral.

Sorry for the late reply-been away

[Simon T]

all the original designs (there are at least 3 (yellow, white block print + white swirl plus a red issue)

Isn't this a boot?

[Cheltsoulnights]

Isn't this a boot?

I think you will find thats the block print 45

there may be other designs

pete

[Ged Parker]

Isn't this a boot?

No that's an original. Mine came in company sleeve same lable design as that.