Markw Posted May 19, 2007 Posted May 19, 2007 Was tuned in to Sounds of the Sixties this morning. Dear old Brian Matthews played a version of the Ray Pollard classic off a a Long John Baldry LP from '66 or '67 I think. Anybody else heard this? What do you think? I thought it was a great version - LBJ, despite being a fine singer himself, not up to the mighty Ray standard, the orchestration was fab (much in line with the original) but the version was more uptempo than the original.
Pete S Posted May 19, 2007 Posted May 19, 2007 Yeah it's on a pretty scarce UK United Artists 45 and also on the LP Looking At Long John. Baldry must have been a Ray Pollard fan because he also covered the B side of The Drifter, Let Him Go And Let Me Love You, that's a pretty common UA single. Both versions are ok, but you can't really compare them to Pollard - and there's another version of Drifter by Don Crales, an Irish recording which came out on Parlophone, it's awful. Mick Smith's got an acetate of another version but without any artist credited
Mandy Posted May 19, 2007 Posted May 19, 2007 I heard it too and to be honest thought it was shite - no passion in his voice at all and could have got away with it being played over the loud speaker in Asda!! Ray Pollard's version is just awesome and I doubt anyone could sing it like he did.
kevinsoulman Posted May 19, 2007 Posted May 19, 2007 i agree mandy i emailed him right away asking him to play the original knowing radio two they won't
Steve G Posted May 19, 2007 Posted May 19, 2007 i agree mandy i emailed him right away asking him to play the original knowing radio two they won't Must admit to being a massive fan of Ray Pollard's original.....and agree that in comparrison it's like comparing a Ferrari with a Lada (remember them? Russian represses of the old Fiat 127). Perhaps if Ray Pollard hadn't done it, we'd like LJB more, but as Ray DID it so well, the cover seems a poor imitation. There is also another British cover version of this too, which I have somewhere....again not bad, but falls by the wayside whenever the stylus drops down on Ray's original.
Pete S Posted May 19, 2007 Posted May 19, 2007 There is also another British cover version of this too, which I have somewhere....again not bad, but falls by the wayside whenever the stylus drops down on Ray's original. my post above it tells you who did the other cover
Geoff B Posted May 19, 2007 Posted May 19, 2007 Ray Pollard is the business,but i like the other versions too.
Benji Posted May 19, 2007 Posted May 19, 2007 Baldry must have been a Ray Pollard fan because he also covered the B side of The Drifter, Let Him Go And Let Me Love You, i met him a couple of years ago, he wasn't aware that both tracks were sung by ray pollard originally , he only heard two acetates that were given to him by his manager or producer...
Paul R Posted May 19, 2007 Posted May 19, 2007 i agree mandy i emailed him right away asking him to play the original knowing radio two they won't I think that is a bit unfair. Radio 2 will play great Northern, or just great soul if you want it that way. In fact Ray Pollard was played about 3 weeks ago on Stuart Maconie on Saturday afternoon "Keeping the faith" Slot. Today he played the fantastic Superlatives "I Still Love You". Paul
Sharon Cooper Posted May 20, 2007 Posted May 20, 2007 Know them both. Heard LJB`s version on `SOTS` Think they are both boring!
Dave Thorley Posted May 20, 2007 Posted May 20, 2007 The man who appeared on 'Opportunity Knocks' with a cloth bag over his head if memory serves right
Guest the dukester Posted May 20, 2007 Posted May 20, 2007 Yeah it's on a pretty scarce UK United Artists 45 and also on the LP Looking At Long John. Baldry must have been a Ray Pollard fan because he also covered the B side of The Drifter, Let Him Go And Let Me Love You, that's a pretty common UA single. Both versions are ok, but you can't really compare them to Pollard - and there's another version of Drifter by Don Crales, an Irish recording which came out on Parlophone, it's awful. Mick Smith's got an acetate of another version but without any artist credited TALKING OF BALDRY DINT HE DO A VERSION OF GIMME JUST A LITTLE MORE TIME ? THIS WAS ALSO COVERED BY ANGELA CLEMMONS ME THINKS
Steve G Posted May 20, 2007 Posted May 20, 2007 TALKING OF BALDRY DINT HE DO A VERSION OF GIMME JUST A LITTLE MORE TIME ? THIS WAS ALSO COVERED BY ANGELA CLEMMONS ME THINKS Dunno but Wayne Fontana certainly did
Sunnysoul Posted May 20, 2007 Posted May 20, 2007 I vaguely remember reading an interview with Rod Stewart where he said that Long John made a pass at him once when they were both in Steampacket ....
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted May 20, 2007 Posted May 20, 2007 TALKING OF BALDRY DINT HE DO A VERSION OF GIMME JUST A LITTLE MORE TIME ? THIS WAS ALSO COVERED BY ANGELA CLEMMONS ME THINKS I don't think 'covered' is the right word to describe Angela Clemmons' version, as it came out about 12 years after the Chairmen Of the Board's original had been and gone. Many records that are described as 'covers' aren't - the term should really only be applied to recordings that were designed to try to take some sales away from the original - like Wayne Fontana's cover of GMJALMT was supposed to do, before it got withdrawn... It's a good revival, though, is Angela's. I used to play it at 6Ts in the earl days of the 100 Club. It probably deserves a bit more attention than it gets nowadays...
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted May 20, 2007 Posted May 20, 2007 I vaguely remember reading an interview with Rod Stewart where he said that Long John made a pass at him once when they were both in Steampacket .... Yes, there was a great LJB doc on here recently, on BBC4, where he repeated the same story. LJB being profoundly gay, it almost certainly did happen
Mike Lofthouse Posted May 20, 2007 Posted May 20, 2007 I think that is a bit unfair. Radio 2 will play great Northern, or just great soul if you want it that way. In fact Ray Pollard was played about 3 weeks ago on Stuart Maconie on Saturday afternoon "Keeping the faith" Slot. Today he played the fantastic Superlatives "I Still Love You". Paul I think it was a bit unfair too, considering on the same show they also played 'That did It' by Bobby Bland. To be honest I find the show fascinating when it does play these alternative versions - also played 'Sweet Thing' by Georgie Fame, it always amazes how these things were picked up in the UK. And for sure the artists had as much passion for Black American music as we had/have. Mike
Ernie Andrews Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 Your gonna hate me for this but I prefer Long John baldry version of the Drifter. As the topic starter said- the orchestration in my view is great and I love Baldrys voice as it builds to a creshendo near the end. I like Pollards version but find it a bit sparse! But its only my opinion.
Guest johnm Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 Just listened to both versions and I prefer Ray Pollard.....
mischief Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 I like the Long John Baldry one... in fact my missues bought it for me for xmas... took a while to find it.. is it rarer than pollards version?
Guest Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 Yeah it's on a pretty scarce UK United Artists 45 and also on the LP Looking At Long John. Baldry must have been a Ray Pollard fan because he also covered the B side of The Drifter, Let Him Go And Let Me Love You, that's a pretty common UA single. Both versions are ok, but you can't really compare them to Pollard - and there's another version of Drifter by Don Crales, an Irish recording which came out on Parlophone, it's awful. Mick Smith's got an acetate of another version but without any artist credited Peter, "Drifter by Don Crales, an Irish recording...it's awful" I'm shocked.. I love the Parlophone version by Don Charles. I don't think Don Charles is Irish is he? I've always held Don in high regard vocally..I've just played it and think it's good.. and can't hear any guiness influences whatsoever..good girl chorus, the brass is a little "English" but i've certainly heard worse beaters coming from a British vocal..and it's certainly the rarest of the three versions. pete, have another listen, go to. https://raresoulman.co.uk/searchartist.php?...DON&Format= his version of the Ben E. king - Hermit - is pretty good too..
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 Peter, "Drifter by Don Crales, an Irish recording...it's awful" I'm shocked.. I love the Parlophone version by Don Charles. I don't think Don Charles is Irish is he? ...Believe he's of Welsh extraction, actually, John. You're right about his version of 'Hermit', BTW, it IS good. I bought it as a new release, and although Ben E King's version is tecnically better in every way I still prefer Don's. Can't say I'm quite so enthralled by his take on 'The Drifter', but it's certainly not 'awful' as suggested elsewhere... Anyway, what are you doing posting when you could be off the the Post Office with my McCoys 45
Guest Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 ...Believe he's of Welsh extraction, actually, John. You're right about his version of 'Hermit', BTW, it IS good. I bought it as a new release, and although Ben E King's version is tecnically better in every way I still prefer Don's. Can't say I'm quite so enthralled by his take on 'The Drifter', but it's certainly not 'awful' as suggested elsewhere... Anyway, what are you doing posting when you could be off the the Post Office with my McCoys 45 mccoys will be with ya tomorrow..
Guest Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 (edited) Welsh?? Wasn't he a center forward..? big tall brute who went to play in Italy... this guy was versatile. Edited May 22, 2007 by john manship
Gene-r Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 (edited) ...Believe he's of Welsh extraction, actually, John. You're right about his version of 'Hermit', BTW, it IS good. I bought it as a new release, and although Ben E King's version is tecnically better in every way I still prefer Don's. Can't say I'm quite so enthralled by his take on 'The Drifter', but it's certainly not 'awful' as suggested elsewhere... Anyway, what are you doing posting when you could be off the the Post Office with my McCoys 45 Don Charles started out on Decca in 1962. His first few sides (including The Hermit of Misty Mountain) were produced by Joe Meek. THOMM is also on his ultra-rare Decca EP from 1963. He moved away from Joe Meek's production in 1963, and went on to record for HMV from then on, finishing on Parlophone during 1967 -1968, where he also released an LP, though I'm not sure if The Drifter was on it. PS - This is NOT the same Don Charles who had that awful Top 20 hit in 1955 with "Jingle Bells" by The Singing Dogs! Edited May 22, 2007 by Gene-R
Pete S Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 Peter, "Drifter by Don Crales, an Irish recording...it's awful" I'm shocked.. I love the Parlophone version by Don Charles. I don't think Don Charles is Irish is he? I've always held Don in high regard vocally..I've just played it and think it's good.. and can't hear any guiness influences whatsoever..good girl chorus, the brass is a little "English" but i've certainly heard worse beaters coming from a British vocal..and it's certainly the rarest of the three versions. pete, have another listen, go to. https://raresoulman.co.uk/searchartist.php?...DON&Format= his version of the Ben E. king - Hermit - is pretty good too.. Well he recorded it in his studio in Ireland...check the label...by the way you know I meant Charles, it's trying to type to fast!
Guest TONY ROUNCE Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 Well he recorded it in his studio in Ireland...check the label...by the way you know I meant Charles, it's trying to type to fast! I've e-mailed a mate who will know for sure where Don came from originally. In the meantime, those who care about such stuff might like to know that Don Charles co-wrote the extremely rare, released only in the USA, beat record "Money, Money" by the Moments (on World Artists) - Steve Marriott's pre-Small Faces group!
Pete S Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 For f*cks sake, I never said he was Irish, I said it was recorded in Ireland! Have a look at the credit on the B side...I haven't seen it for a dozen or more years but I'm sure it says so-and-so studios, Ireland
Gene-r Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 Here's the Independent's obituary to Don Charles. Interesting, as it mentions another track on Parlophone called "Bring Your Love To Me". Wonder if he emigrated to Ireland in the mid-60s? Don Charles Joe Meek's 'only legit artist' Published: 09 December 2005 Walter Stanley Scuffham (Don Charles), singer: born Hull, Yorkshire 10 December 1933: four times married (five daughters); died Herstmonceux, East Sussex 4 December 2005. The unconventional record producer Joe Meek worked with numerous acts in the 1960s but he considered Don Charles had the best voice, telling him, "You are my only legit artist. All the others are yugga-dugs." Charles recorded fine ballads with Meek, notably the chart-making "Walk With Me, My Angel", in 1962. Six foot four and weighing 17 stone, he was an imposing presence on teenage pop shows. He was born Walter Scuffham in Hull in 1933, though known as Don from an early age. His father died when he was four and he took his stepfather's name, becoming Don Bennett. He joined the Navy at 15 and remained there until he was 25. By then he had acquired a taste for singing standards with big bands and hoped to be a professional singer. In 1960 he came to London when he was signed to EMI's Parlophone label by George Martin. Unfortunately, Martin struggled to find the right material for his voice, releasing the unsuccessful "Paintbox Lover" in 1961. He moved to Joe Meek - who renamed him Don Charles, Don Bennett being too close to Tony Bennett - for "Walk With Me, My Angel", on Decca, which Meek had written for the 1961 album Two Sides of John Leyton. The song is in keeping with the otherworldly sounds from Meek's Holloway Road studio, including "Johnny Remember Me", "Tribute to Buddy Holly", "Son, This is She" and "Telstar". It was among Meek's best productions and deserved better than its Top Forty placing. The same could be said of the follow-up, "The Hermit of Misty Mountain", a very commendable cover of a Ben E. King single. That year Charles also recorded a gimmicky version of a country song, "It's My Way of Loving You", and the B-side, "Guess That's the Way It Goes" with Roger LaVern of the Tornados on piano is archetypal Meek. His "Angel of Love" (1963) was banned by the BBC because of its lyric, "Everyone has an angel of love, / Way up in the heavens above". Relatively few people heard the record but possibly it would not have sold anyway as the Beatles had arrived. "Heart's Ice Cold" was rush-released when "Angel of Love" was banned and, despite an excellent production, it failed to sell. Meek had a dispute with Decca over their not pushing the Tornados' records and he refused to hand over the tapes of his forthcoming releases. So Charles left Decca and, in 1965, himself produced the Tornados on "Space Walk" and the ironically titled "Goodbye Joe". Between 1963 and 1965 Charles made seven singles for HMV including "Tower Tall", "Big Talk from a Little Man", and "Dream On Little Dreamer", but without commercial success. It was the same story at Parlophone but "Bring Your Love to Me" (1967) subsequently became a Northern Soul favourite. Realising that he was never going to have a big record, he bought a nightclub in Malta with Rolf Harris and then became a car salesman. He wrote a practical guide, How to Buy a Used Car (And Save Money), in 1989. The trick was to carry a magnet: "If it sticks, it's metal. If it skates or barely sticks, it's filler." Spencer Leigh
Guest Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 For f*cks sake, I never said he was Irish, I said it was recorded in Ireland! Have a look at the credit on the B side...I haven't seen it for a dozen or more years but I'm sure it says so-and-so studios, Ireland Sorry Pete no ref: to Ireland on the label. Produced by Johnny Spence who I'm pretty sure is a prolific UK producer. anyway doesn't Walter Stanley Scuffham play upfront for Wolves?
Geoff Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 I'd heard of the Long John Baldry version of The Drifter, but had never heard it till now. It would be hard to beat Ray Pollard's version, but not a bad attempt. Might be nice to hear it out for a change, although I can't remember the last time I heard The Drifter outside my front room. When LJB was in his heyday, I saw him live at Bluesville, Manor House, with Rod "the mod" Stewart. I didn't rate either at the time, possibly because I was very anti British covers of R&B. But a few years ago I saw LJB with the Blues Band at the Millfield theatre in Edmonton, he was really good, so perhaps I was just too prejudiced to appreciate him originally.
Pete S Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 Sorry Pete no ref: to Ireland on the label. Produced by Johnny Spence who I'm pretty sure is a prolific UK producer. anyway doesn't Walter Stanley Scuffham play upfront for Wolves? Whats on the B side John, I'm starting to think I am going mad here, it's an uptempo stomper, if it's not then I'm thinking of a totally different record!
Gene-r Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 Whats on the B side John, I'm starting to think I am going mad here, it's an uptempo stomper, if it's not then I'm thinking of a totally different record! Think it's "Phil The Fluter's Ball", Pete!
Pete S Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 Think it's "Phil The Fluter's Ball", Pete! All joking aside, it should be Great To Be Living and it states it's recorded at so and so studios in Ireland, if it doesn't say that then I had the only copy that did!
Gene-r Posted May 22, 2007 Posted May 22, 2007 All joking aside, it should be Great To Be Living and it states it's recorded at so and so studios in Ireland, if it doesn't say that then I had the only copy that did! Hey Pete - wasn't there a few soul related releases that credit 'Recorded at Eamon Andrews Studios, Dublin' or something like that? Did you have a couple of them? Think one was released on Dolphin?
Little-stevie Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 Heard it for the first time at the Hideaway last month and it sounded pretty good to me,it got a great reaction,very nice version IMO...It was in the early hours and after some drinks,i will check the soundfile and see...
Steve G Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 All joking aside, it should be Great To Be Living and it states it's recorded at so and so studios in Ireland, if it doesn't say that then I had the only copy that did! Oh ffs, I don't normally get dragged into these UK pop fest debates, but this has been bugging me....so I've gone into the British collection and found my copy - yes it's "Great to be livin", but there is NO mention of Irleand. Cheers, Steve
Pete S Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 Oh ffs, I don't normally get dragged into these UK pop fest debates, but this has been bugging me....so I've gone into the British collection and found my copy - yes it's "Great to be livin", but there is NO mention of Irleand. Cheers, Steve My copy was f*cking unique then eh? So now I have to go through all my Parlophone and Columbia listings to see if I can recall what the recorded produced in Ireland actually was! All I remember it was the B side to a well known A side.
Craig W Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 It's not unreleased Craig, it's off one of his United Artists LP's I meant on a 45 Pete
Tony Smith Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 (edited) When LJB was in his heyday, I saw him live at Bluesville, Manor House, with Rod "the mod" Stewart. I didn't rate either at the time, possibly because I was very anti British covers of R&B. But a few years ago I saw LJB with the Blues Band at the Millfield theatre in Edmonton, he was really good, so perhaps I was just too prejudiced to appreciate him originally. Right first time Geoff! I was invited to the press junket for LJB's re-launch a few years back, which apart from chatting with a few nice people like Micky Waller, Roger Sutton, Zoot Money & Gene Latter was a disaster, LJB being a drunken old "diva" with a terribly overblown sense of his own importance, the night being saved by his support singer who was great, but as I got a bit drunk forgot her name!? Edited May 24, 2007 by Tony Smith
Tony Smith Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 It's not unreleased Craig, it's off one of his United Artists LP's And a French EP, it has a picture of him on a boat!
Steve G Posted May 24, 2007 Posted May 24, 2007 So now I have to go through all my Parlophone and Columbia listings to see if I can recall what the recorded produced in Ireland actually was! Have fun Pete
Sweeney Posted May 25, 2007 Posted May 25, 2007 Is it just me, or does Mr Baldry sound like one's drunken uncle doing wedding karaoke? All these clips do is confirm the overwhelming superiority of the Ray Pollard and Edwin Starr recordings. Surely these recordings possess little more than curiosity value? All IMVHO of course...
Pete S Posted May 25, 2007 Posted May 25, 2007 Have fun Pete Won't be too difficult because it was from 67 or 68, the one I was thinking of!
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