Robert Thomas-salvation...was This Ever

[Pauldonnelly]

pressed up in the 70's...

pale green = orig?

Yellow = boot?

[Guest]

pressed up in the 70's...

pale green = orig?

Yellow = boot?

Green is by RT & six feet under.

[ShorterSoul]

I always thought the pink Charay issue was the boot??

Looking on John Manships site he has 2 'reissues' listed, pink and green, and 2 original issues :-

Charay 87 and 6475

[Crumb]

I thought C-87 yellow was orig & C-103 pink or green were reissues. What colour is C-6475 ?

[Quinvy]

Original is YELLOW with GREEN print and two lines accross the label, anything else is a re-issue

[Guest Bearsy]

Original is YELLOW with GREEN print and two lines accross the label, anything else is a re-issue

spot on

[Guest]

A the old Charay / Le Cam debate...will the full truth ever be known?

[Guest Bearsy]

A the old Charay / Le Cam debate...will the full truth ever be known?

not another conspiracy theories thread

[Guest]

Original is YELLOW with GREEN print and two lines accross the label, anything else is a re-issue

I`m up for a debate,why!!they are all different takes/bands etc.....best version is by Rita Lee.

[Quinvy]

I`m up for a debate,why!!they are all different takes/bands etc.....best version is by Rita Lee.

I was simply quoting Mr. Manship.

[Guest]

I was simply quoting Mr. Manship.

And like he knows everything!!

[Guest Bearsy]

I`m up for a debate,why!!they are all different takes/bands etc.....best version is by Rita Lee.

no it aint

[Guest]

no it aint

T`is so Bearsy post it up in a mo`

[Guest Bearsy]

T`is so Bearsy post it up in a mo`

nice one , then i will tell you again it aint better

[ShorterSoul]

I think there were 4 versions alltogether of Salvation issued on Charay..

Rita Lee Charay 101

Robert Thomas Charay 87

Cresa Watson [AKA Carolyn Sullivan] Charay 90

Men From Macon [AKA Bobby Skel & The Red Ryders] Charay 89

[Guest]

not another conspiracy theories thread

Part of the conspiracy is that in 1972, Kentucky, Texas recording producer man Colonel Bill Sanders paid Ian Levine to go into the studio, in league with Frank Popp, a child prodigy who was four at the time, to make all these recordings. Steve Brookstein does all the vocals on every Charay or Le Cam release, apart from those by Pic and Bill, who are actually Frankie and Johnny, who are Frankie Howard and June Whitfield on the earlier releases, and Terry Scott (of The Scott Brothers and The Whispers, a group which included brothers Wally and Wally Scott of The Reflections and Tony Micheals who did the original version of '6X6' on the spoons) and June Whitfield (who's big hit 'The Human Race' was voiced by Junie Morrison of the Ohio Players who used to be The Ohio Untouchables, and Indian group of low caste and who's members at one time included Wilson Pickett (Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys brother) Eddie Floyd, (brother of King Floyd and Floyd Smith) Sir Mack Rice, who did the original version of The Blues Brothers 'Mustang Sally' (written of course about Sally Sagoe who is Jean Carn under another name) and "It Takes One To Know One" originally by Larry Grayson and Micheal Portillo)

All the records on Charay and Le Cam including the rare alternate Tony Micheals vocal of "6 X 6" on Musicor and earlier, Marks and Spencers and an obscure track by The Volumes called 'Lady in Red' (later cover by Chris Rea of The Ostriches) were released on the 'Pama' label which was named after the next door neighbour of the son of a friend of the Auntie of label owner Harry Palmer. No one has ever seen a copy of any of these records on Pama or heard any of them so they must be really good.

That all true that is.

Edited April 12, 2007 by Simon White

[Guest Bearsy]

Part of the conspiracy is that in 1972, Kentucky, Texas recording producer man Colonel Bill Sanders paid Ian Levine to go into the studio, in league with Frank Popp, a child prodigy who was four at the time, to make all these recordings. Steve Brookstein does all the vocals on every Charay or Le Cam release, apart from those by Pic and Bill, who are actually Frankie and Johnny, who are Frankie Howard and June Whitfield on the earlier releases, and Terry Scott (of The Scott Brothers and The Whispers, a group which included brothers Wally and Wally Scott of The Reflections and Tony Micheals who did the original version of '6X6' on the spoons) and June Whitfield (who's big hit 'The Human Race' was voiced by Junie Morrison of the Ohio Players who used to be The Ohio Untouchables, and Indian group of low caste and who's members at one time included Wilson Pickett (Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys brother) Eddie Floyd, (brother of King Floyd and Floyd Smith) Sir Mack Rice, who did the original version of The Blues Brothers 'Mustang Sally' (written of course about Sally Sagoe who is Jean Carn under another name) and "It Takes One To Know One" originally by Larry Grayson and Micheal Portillo)

All the records on Charay and Le Cam including the rare alternate Tony Micheals vocal of "6 X 6" on Musicor and earlier, Marks and Spencers and an obscure track by The Volumes called 'Lady in Red' (later cover by Chris Rea of The Ostriches) were released on the 'Pama' label which was named after the next door neighbour of the son of a friend of the Auntie of label owner Harry Palmer. No one has ever seen a copy of any of these records on Pama or heard any of them so they must be really good.

That all true that is.

I knew there was more to it

Bloody hell Simon aint you got nothing better to do all day bloody brilliant

[Soul-slider]

Part of the conspiracy is that in 1972, Kentucky, Texas recording producer man Colonel Bill Sanders paid Ian Levine to go into the studio, in league with Frank Popp, a child prodigy who was four at the time, to make all these recordings. Steve Brookstein does all the vocals on every Charay or Le Cam release, apart from those by Pic and Bill, who are actually Frankie and Johnny, who are Frankie Howard and June Whitfield on the earlier releases, and Terry Scott (of The Scott Brothers and The Whispers, a group which included brothers Wally and Wally Scott of The Reflections and Tony Micheals who did the original version of '6X6' on the spoons) and June Whitfield (who's big hit 'The Human Race' was voiced by Junie Morrison of the Ohio Players who used to be The Ohio Untouchables, and Indian group of low caste and who's members at one time included Wilson Pickett (Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys brother) Eddie Floyd, (brother of King Floyd and Floyd Smith) Sir Mack Rice, who did the original version of The Blues Brothers 'Mustang Sally' (written of course about Sally Sagoe who is Jean Carn under another name) and "It Takes One To Know One" originally by Larry Grayson and Micheal Portillo)

All the records on Charay and Le Cam including the rare alternate Tony Micheals vocal of "6 X 6" on Musicor and earlier, Marks and Spencers and an obscure track by The Volumes called 'Lady in Red' (later cover by Chris Rea of The Ostriches) were released on the 'Pama' label which was named after the next door neighbour of the son of a friend of the Auntie of label owner Harry Palmer. No one has ever seen a copy of any of these records on Pama or heard any of them so they must be really good.

That all true that is.

Great! LMAO!!!!

[Guest mel brat]

Part of the conspiracy is that in 1972, Kentucky, Texas recording producer man Colonel Bill Sanders paid Ian Levine to go into the studio, in league with Frank Popp, a child prodigy who was four at the time, to make all these recordings. Steve Brookstein does all the vocals on every Charay or Le Cam release, apart from those by Pic and Bill, who are actually Frankie and Johnny, who are Frankie Howard and June Whitfield on the earlier releases, and Terry Scott (of The Scott Brothers and The Whispers, a group which included brothers Wally and Wally Scott of The Reflections and Tony Micheals who did the original version of '6X6' on the spoons) and June Whitfield (who's big hit 'The Human Race' was voiced by Junie Morrison of the Ohio Players who used to be The Ohio Untouchables, and Indian group of low caste and who's members at one time included Wilson Pickett (Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys brother) Eddie Floyd, (brother of King Floyd and Floyd Smith) Sir Mack Rice, who did the original version of The Blues Brothers 'Mustang Sally' (written of course about Sally Sagoe who is Jean Carn under another name) and "It Takes One To Know One" originally by Larry Grayson and Micheal Portillo)

All the records on Charay and Le Cam including the rare alternate Tony Micheals vocal of "6 X 6" on Musicor and earlier, Marks and Spencers and an obscure track by The Volumes called 'Lady in Red' (later cover by Chris Rea of The Ostriches) were released on the 'Pama' label which was named after the next door neighbour of the son of a friend of the Auntie of label owner Harry Palmer. No one has ever seen a copy of any of these records on Pama or heard any of them so they must be really good.

That all true that is.

Re: Whatever it is you're going on about I got one n' it's a minta n' stuff...

I had a Spanish copy of this record (insert title here...) on La Palma, which my parents bought for me as a new release, when I was minus 3 years old. IT WAS FIRST PLAYED AT BLACKPOOL MECCA, and anyone who says otherwise will be exterminated. I swapped it with Simon Soussan for the key to my happiness (which turned out to be a bit of a disappointment actually) in 1976. I believe Simon then sold it to ventriloquist act Russ Win and his dummy Stanley (of "Stop Sign" fame), who speeded it up and played it as "Viva Paloma Blanca (Soul)" by I-Should-El-Coco featuring Moses Smith & The Ten Commitments and released it on Crass-ino Classics in 1979 before selling the original to Kev Roberts (who later listed it as No.15,001 in the 'Northern Soul Top 500' and a bit Pt.1)

The record was due to be released on Pye Disco DeMode, but was eventually covered by a reformed Wigan's Ovation featuring Russ Win & Stanley with Frank Elson and featuring Soul Sam on tambourine and penny whistle. NO OTHER COPIES HAVE EVER TURNED UP (apart from the 150,000 that John Anderson still had in stock after Wigan closed in 1981). It was bootlegged on at least 12 different labels all being styrene apart from one facsimile promo copy in green dayglo vinyl stuff, which recently turned up on an auction site in....

Edited April 12, 2007 by mel brat

[Guest]

...anyway...

Do we know yet for sure which are 'originals and which are ..err.. not? (and what does 'original mean anyway in this case?)

I have the following -

Salvation - Robert Thomas with Six Feet under - Pale Green Charay G 100 (green lettering)

Salvation- The Men From Macon /White Charay C 100 (red lettering)

Salvation- Rita Lee / White Charay C 101 (red lettering)

There Must Be A Love Somewhere - Ede Robin with 98.6 /Le Cam LC310 ( sounds a bit dodgy)

I'm sure I have one on UK Crystal too but can't find it right now.

[Guest mel brat]

...anyway...

Do we know yet for sure which are 'originals and which are ..err.. not? (and what does 'original mean anyway in this case?)

I have the following -

Salvation - Robert Thomas with Six Feet under - Pale Green Charay G 100 (green lettering)

Salvation- The Men From Macon /White Charay C 100 (red lettering)

Salvation- Rita Lee / White Charay C 101 (red lettering)

There Must Be A Love Somewhere - Ede Robin with 98.6 /Le Cam LC310 ( sounds a bit dodgy)

I'm sure I have one on UK Crystal too but can't find it right now.

In regard to Robert Thomas "Salvation" the yellow with green type Charay label is definitely the original issue as far as I'm aware. I seem to remember them being (legally?) re-issued on pastel coloured labels in 1975, following spins at the Mecca (of course) and the Ritz.

Incidently, "Tow-A-Way Zone" on UK Crystal sounds to me as though it was dubbed from a US vinyl copy! Is Ede Robin any better in quality?

Edited April 14, 2007 by mel brat