Pete S Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 What you reckon - a bit too much of a blues record to be played as R&B?
Pete S Posted April 10, 2007 Author Posted April 10, 2007 never leave my homework undone - little mac simmons - dud sound
Guest Bearsy Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 What you reckon - a bit too much of a blues record to be played as R&B? i wouldnt play it full stop Pete
pow wow mik Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 could see it being played at an r&b do, no problem, bit trad r&b for me but a nice track.
Maxwell Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 What you reckon - a bit too much of a blues record to be played as R&B? yes
Pete S Posted April 10, 2007 Author Posted April 10, 2007 i wouldnt play it full stop Pete The question wasn't "would bearsy play this track" though was it
Guest MBarrett Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Am I losing the plot?????? Surely this IS Rhythm & Blues in the original and purest use of the term. Later uses of R & B whether as an "umbrella term" or a complete misnomer is where the problem is. From Wikipedia: Rhythm & Blues The term was initially used to identify the rocking style of music that combined the 12 bar blues format and boogie-woogie with a back beat, which later became a fundamental element of rock and roll.
Bazza Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Am I losing the plot?????? Surely this IS Rhythm & Blues in the original and purest use of the term. Later uses of R & B whether as an "umbrella term" or a complete misnomer is where the problem is. From Wikipedia: Of course its R&B..but that was not the question,would it go down well in an R&B room,I dont think so,have been known to be wrong tho'......loads a times Bazza
Pete S Posted April 10, 2007 Author Posted April 10, 2007 Yes it is rhythm and blues but not quite in the context that it's used in NS circles, thats why I was asking if traditional blues sounds, if uptempo, are acceptable?
Guest Matt Male Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 (edited) Yes it is rhythm and blues but not quite in the context that it's used in NS circles, thats why I was asking if traditional blues sounds, if uptempo, are acceptable? It's not bad. This is better if anyone knows it. Little Mack Simmons - You Got To Help Me - Dud Sound I can't post a sound file cos i can't figure out how to get it from my turntable to my PC. Sorry Edited April 10, 2007 by Matt Male
Guest MBarrett Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Guys Sorry - didn't mean to sound off - just a personal gripe that the term somehow got hijacked all those many many years ago. Having said that it probably IS a bit "raw" to run alongside sounds that fit under the current usage of the term. MB
Guest Jean-Marc Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 It's much better than the popcorn that passes as R&B these days.
Guest Bearsy Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 The question wasn't "would bearsy play this track" though was it no it wasnt Pete and i appologise for that i just done what i hate being done to me answer, imho i would say to much blues for an r&b track, are you looking at playing it out pete under the r&b banner
Simsy Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 no it wasnt Pete and i appologise for that i just done what i hate being done to me answer, imho i would say to much blues for an r&b track, are you looking at playing it out pete under the r&b banner Thought title was 'Too Bearsy To Be Played' ..
Pete S Posted April 10, 2007 Author Posted April 10, 2007 no it wasnt Pete and i appologise for that i just done what i hate being done to me answer, imho i would say to much blues for an r&b track, are you looking at playing it out pete under the r&b banner Kinnell mate, I'm only pulling your leg (ouch!) I wouldn't play it out if it was the only record I;d got But I do like blues/r&b so just thought some folk might also like it
Guest Bearsy Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Kinnell mate, I'm only pulling your leg (ouch!) I wouldn't play it out if it was the only record I;d got But I do like blues/r&b so just thought some folk might also like it i still wouldnt play it either
Guest kid mohair Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 What you reckon - a bit too much of a blues record to be played as R&B? Yep in any rnb room...
Citizen P Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Proper good Blues Tune. Proberbly go down well at The Hideaway. Like I said good stuff, but a bit too "trad" for general consumption. ATB Tony
Crumb Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Well, I like it but I don't think I could dance to it so the answer will have to be yes, it's too bluesy.
Guest ScooterNik Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 I like that.... But not Northern IMHO Always had a soft spot for good old fashioned blues, especially anything with harp on it.
pow wow mik Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 (edited) It's much better than the popcorn that passes as R&B these days. who decides where R&B becomes popcorn, you? It's maybe not the sound for the soul scene related r&b rooms, but most acceptable for mod clubs. And it's good, which is all that really matters. Edited April 10, 2007 by mik parry
scotchmartin Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 This is a great R&B record. I'd certainly give it a spin on my new radio show starting at 10pm next Wednesday on LifeFM London 103.6fm, or www.lifefm.org.uk. Blues, soul, jazz and some odds and sods too. Mick, mail me a call with your number fella. scotchmartin@lifefm.org Martin
Biggordy Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Great tune. Agree with the comment above that a lot of popcorn is classed as R&B these days. This is proper full on R&B. I'd play it alongside things like "Mean Ol' Frisco" by BB King, "Storm Warning" by Mac Rebbenack(Dr John), "Crazy Mixed Up World" by Little Walter and lots of other records that are too "proper" to be played out
Biggordy Posted April 10, 2007 Posted April 10, 2007 Not dissing Popcorn BTW, but it's not R&B. It's 60s pop with a good beat.
Mace Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 Not dissing Popcorn BTW, but it's not R&B. It's 60s pop with a good beat. Its not all to do with 60s pop at all, its a scene that encompasses many different genres of 50s & 60s music including soul, R&B, ska, latin, teen + lots more...though the beat and tempo are more important to their scene than the genre its labelled by...... Some tunes played on the popcorn scene are quality soul and R&B tracks.
Guest Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 (edited) Its not all to do with 60s pop at all, its a scene that encompasses many different genres of 50s & 60s music including soul, R&B, ska, latin, teen + lots more...though the beat and tempo are more important to their scene than the genre its labelled by...... Some tunes played on the popcorn scene are quality soul and R&B tracks. ..........................But some of the "Popcorn" is a bit poppy? Sam Fletcher................Larry Trider..............Freddie Houston....................POPTASTIC IS "KIM MELVIN" "doing the popcorn" ................is that played on the popcorn scene? And who made up the name "popcorn" because the last time I heard "Sam Fletcher" he told me he was a "SOUL MAN" Popcorn "Wylie" was not sure I Am joking! BUT what do you consider to be the "Top" "Popcorn" tunes at the moment? ............. Help me out with this? What is Popcorn?.........................................Define it please? .........................I just called it Soul? Edited April 11, 2007 by mossy
Biggordy Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 Ah yes, I remember hearing of a few ska things being played at nights in Belgium. I'd totally forgotten about it, my apologies.
Guest Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 (edited) Ah yes, I remember hearing of a few ska things being played at nights in Belgium. I'd totally forgotten about it, my apologies. SKA in Belgium? GREAT modified Edited April 11, 2007 by mossy
Rbman Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 What you reckon - a bit too much of a blues record to be played as R&B? No.....would go down well at Hard As Nails....like it.
Guest Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 What you reckon - a bit too much of a blues record to be played as R&B? Not even a good example of a either a Blues or RnB record surely? Bit nothingy I would have thought.
pikeys dog Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 wrong side of RnR for the R&B rooms i.m.h.o. it's the pianny that does it..,
Mace Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 (edited) What is Popcorn?.........................................Define it please? .........................I just called it Soul? The name Popcorn originates from the original club where it all started, worth doing a google search for Belgium Popcorn and visiting a few sites. Brief history review on link below (pdf file) https://box44.bluehost.com/~popcorno/PDF/HistoriekENG.pdf Edited April 11, 2007 by Mace
timthemod Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 Definately good tune for mod clubs, good bluesy dancer.
Guest Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 (edited) The name Popcorn originates from the original club where it all started, worth doing a google search for Belgium Popcorn and visiting a few sites. Brief history review on link below (pdf file) https://box44.bluehost.com/~popcorno/PDF/HistoriekENG.pdf Right...............................I see a bit more. I must admit to still being confused when references to "popcorn" I have seen things like "Dianne Payne" Betty o Brian" "Sam Fletcher" etc, etc desribed as "popcorn" but to me they are just "Soul" records. I just always thourght "Popcorn" was a term to describe the early (white?) RnB type tunes. I suppose you can't define "Northern Soul" its a term used to umbrella "The Scene" is'nt it? so "popcorn" is exactly the same and "a popcorn tune" is a tune that has been popular on that "scene" in the same way. I think I am getting It? I was aware of the "Popcorn" Scene" if you like, and by all accounts they play all types of early (Soulful?) music at these events? I know I should get out more ! Nice that Blues tune Pete S Edited April 11, 2007 by mossy
pow wow mik Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 The popcorn scene, like the mod scene and northern soul scenes, quite sensibly realised that a tune that they enjoyed and liked dancing to was more important than a tune that was authentic to some non-existant parameter of musical genre but fairly dull. The popcorn scene just play what they like, seems a far more heartfelt and honest way to dictate your playlists than to get the 'black music' rule book out to trace an artist's ehnicity. I have never had any idea about what the authenticity of a tune has to do with if you like it or not. I've actually heard of people selling records when they realise they're by white singers . I guess some people are interested in genre collecting and the history and purity of that genre, some people are interested in music and therefore like a good tune. Some people perhaps both. All scenes need parameters of what can be played, but that is dictated by the reaction on the dancefloors and consistancy of the sound over the course of a night, not some rule book. A lot of popcorn records are by proper blues and R&B artists when they made better produced records in the late 50s and early 60s. i think they would have seen it as a progression of the style, not a pollution. A lot of the early Motown records were very pop styled but don't seem to get so much criticism, I guess because they fall into another convenient catagory - 'soul'. I mean, say Lamont Dozier 'Dearest One', it's a better track for him being a good soul singer, but I also like the tune, the groove and the arrangement, so if it was by a white artist, as in that style it could easily have been, i'd still like it. This new black pop-R&B sound became so popular that a lot of mainstream white artists started copying it, often using the same orchestras and writers, often recording the same songs, so it's hard to separate which are authentic and which are not. And if they're good, who gives a f***? If someone only likes the authentic R&B and blues sound then that's up to them. Personally I find a lot of trad R&B a bit formularic and samey, lacking hooks, good production and songwriting. But I don't slag it off as some sort of inferior form of R&B - some of it's good, some of it's shite like everything else. I'd rather have a good groovy pop track than an average but authentic R&B or soul track, and I think most people in the clubs would too. Sorry for the rant!
Guest Posted April 11, 2007 Posted April 11, 2007 Oooh... very bluesy! Could just about stroll to that one but the breaks make that difficult if you can't count
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