Grapevine singles

[Tobytyke]

Which  of the Grapevine singles could you play at an ovo soul night?

Without having your knuckles rapped by the soul police.

Bettye Boo "Say it isnt so" Any others?

[Solidsoul]

1 hour ago, Tobytyke said:

Which  of the Grapevine singles could you play at an ovo soul night?

Without having your knuckles rapped by the soul police.

Bettye Boo "Say it isnt so" Any others?

"Destroy That Boy" The Happy Cats.  A great record and dancer that was unreleased on an original label. 

"Rosemary What Happened" Richard Wylie as the Grapevine release is a better unreleased cut, and I think a better cut than the Karen original.

This yellow Grapevine series is the true Casino Classics label, as every release was based on records that were being played at the Casino nighters.

Edited yesterday at 08:24 by Solidsoul

[Bo Diddley]

Carol Anderson - Sad Girl.

Both the FEE original and Grapevine single were released in 1979. 

So..........  no idea !!!

Flaming Emeralds FEE original released just a year before Grapevine.

[Ian Parker]

Betty Boo - say it isn't so 

[Mick Boyle]

Barons Of Soul?

[Rhino]

If ok to play one it's must be OK to play all of them but you struggled to give them away mid 80s most in the £1 sales box? Who times and standards have changed over the years. 

[Tobytyke]

10 hours ago, Mick Boyle said:

Barons Of Soul?

Good point mick.

That's from the Grapevine 2K series isnt it?

Must be a few of those that could be played.....Eddie Holman for example.

[Solidsoul]

13 hours ago, Rhino said:

If ok to play one it's must be OK to play all of them but you struggled to give them away mid 80s most in the £1 sales box? Who times and standards have changed over the years. 

The point is, that if it was unreleased before the Grapevine legal UK issue there is no other legitimate way to play it, so Grapevine becomes the first release.

In the USA by 1970, you would have struggled to give any  deleted record away for a £1 but that doesn't make them worthless now.

Edited 3 hours ago by Solidsoul

[Chalky]

I guess with them all being legit UK releases they are all ok to play if you so wish.  Scene etiquette however, the unwritten rules, is you don’t play those with an original US release.

[Rhino]

Karl was it popcorn willie that had one of the grapevine releases stop as he owned the rights ? Remember the story but cant remember which single it was ? 

[Mal C]

23 hours ago, Solidsoul said:

"Destroy That Boy" The Happy Cats.  A great record and dancer that was unreleased on an original label. 

"Rosemary What Happened" Richard Wylie as the Grapevine release is a better unreleased cut, and I think a better cut than the Karen original.

This yellow Grapevine series is the true Casino Classics label, as every release was based on records that were being played at the Casino nighters.

Sorry, bit off topic, but in a good way.  You know what, I never linked this track to the one Mr Fine wine put out, probably because I never listen to the grapevine 45 by the Happy cats.  My notes say from 2 acetates recorded by Morris Last in Detroit in the 60s.
 

So question, how does that version link to the Happy Cats? Or is 'Happy Cats' just a made up name....

[Steviehay]

I know someone who played the whole lot as his set years ago at an all dayer, went down a storm. 

3 hours ago, Rhino said:

Karl was it popcorn willie that had one of the grapevine releases stop as he owned the rights ? Remember the story but cant remember which single it was ? 

THE ONLY ONE I KNOW THAT WAS STOPPED WAS ANN SEXTON YOU'VE BEEN GONE TOO LONG 

Edited 3 hours ago by Steviehay

[Mick Boyle]

5 hours ago, Chalky said:

I guess with them all being legit UK releases they are all ok to play if you so wish.  Scene etiquette however, the unwritten rules, is you don’t play those with an original US release.

And there's your answer.

[Agentsmith]

Chalky correct, nail on the head...it's about records getting a legitimate first release in this country and yes of course, if the American release came first then it's de facto that is the copt to play....but everyone and their finances, are different....a 2hole heap of wanted tunes exist in minute quantities....and if the chances are, the average aspiring dj is never going to be able to afford the rocking-horse rare, theyre going to see what's on offer legitimately.

A super rare, but universally appreciated tune, can only be played in so many places in one time, but if it get's a legit uk issue ( and any parties or estates benefit from royalties or a windfall from sales ), in essence, it's helping to spread the word and popularity....and at the same time, as the global market is showing, the originals are no being devalued...like how folk maybe thought in the mid 70's and 80's...because theyre now ' antiques ' their values have increased substantially.

Everybody's thought dna is different on this subject...isn't it a win-win circumstance if some long forgotten artist is actually getting their music played, and appreciated by a whole bunch of folk?, they may have failed monetarily, but the sound they created, didn't.

 

the uk releases we've witnessed this last quarter century are as important as the one's soulies and mods alike, chased in the 60's....the 70's was important becahse it began the process of issukng tunes here, that actually never got a look in, or weren't discovered/known about 7 or 8 years previous.

They all have their worth, whichever way we look at it.

 

[Chalky]

4 hours ago, Rhino said:

Karl was it popcorn willie that had one of the grapevine releases stop as he owned the rights ? Remember the story but cant remember which single it was ? 

I’m not sure mate. I know Popcorn worked closely with grapevine and they were still issuing his material until a few years ago.