Theothertosspot Posted January 6 Posted January 6 Hi, any info appreciated on this. I have noticed that there are two very similar releases or label design of this. Which was first release or were they simultaneously released. Regards
Chalky Posted January 7 Posted January 7 I'd imagine the top one was a first then the second when a distribution deal was struck 2 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 8 hours ago, Chalky said: I'd imagine the top one was a first then the second when a distribution deal was struck The DJ Copies had the distribution as well. I always wondered where the Limelight releases fitted in. but I guess Bob let Mercury have it ? Edited January 7 by Blackpoolsoul 1
Chalky Posted January 7 Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Blackpoolsoul said: The DJ Copies had the distribution as well. I always wondered where the Limelight release fitted in. but I guess Bob let Mercury have it ? I presume the DJ copy is for the bottom scan. Both the same layout just slightly different colour. 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 7 Posted January 7 (edited) 5 hours ago, Chalky said: I presume the DJ copy is for the bottom scan. Both the same layout just slightly different colour. DJ is white Karl Edited January 7 by Blackpoolsoul 1 1
Theothertosspot Posted January 7 Author Posted January 7 Are there any demos of the non USA distribution?
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 7 Posted January 7 24 minutes ago, Theothertosspot said: Are there any demos of the non USA distribution? Never seen one
Chalky Posted January 7 Posted January 7 33 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Never seen one me neither
Robbk Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) I've also never seen a non-USA-distributed demo. I assume that Bob Lee leased it to Mercury after the local Chicago sales got high enough. That was during the time when Mercury's relatively new Chicago office was looking to grab up a lot of the local talent. He did that with several of his productions. His productions were all over the map. He was one of the most prolific producers who never had a long deal with any one label. I wonder if Lee was a bit quirky, and maybe not the easiest to get along with? Edited January 10 by Robbk 1
Mikehump Posted January 10 Posted January 10 In addition to number R3616A there is a hand drawn mark - as photo on the USA distributed version. Pressing plant? Hump 1
Theothertosspot Posted January 10 Author Posted January 10 Same on the non USA press so presumably done at same plant? Regards 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 10 Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, Theothertosspot said: Same on the non USA press so presumably done at same plant? Regards This could be a new one
Robbk Posted Friday at 19:12 Posted Friday at 19:12 7 hours ago, Mikehump said: In addition to number R3616A there is a hand drawn mark - as photo on the USA distributed version. Pressing plant? Hump I'm sure that's a pressing plant marking. I've seen it on several Chicago label records. I'd bet it's a fairly small, indie, Midwestern pressing plant.
Chalky Posted Friday at 20:13 Posted Friday at 20:13 1 hour ago, Robbk said: I'm sure that's a pressing plant marking. I've seen it on several Chicago label records. I'd bet it's a fairly small, indie, Midwestern pressing plant. could be the engineer or the mastering company as well? I've asked the question on discogs forum as I don't know it either.
Woodbutcher Posted Friday at 20:59 Posted Friday at 20:59 Closest thing I can find so far is the Plastylite 'ear' mark. But that was a New Jersey outfit.
Theothertosspot Posted Friday at 21:12 Author Posted Friday at 21:12 (edited) Top pic is non USA Bottom pic is USA one Both very similar but from where? To be fair the top one looks good whereas the bottom one looks not quite so. Could be resolution though Edited Friday at 21:16 by Theothertosspot
Robbk Posted Friday at 23:48 Posted Friday at 23:48 3 hours ago, Chalky said: could be the engineer or the mastering company as well? I've asked the question on discogs forum as I don't know it either. It certainly could be the mastering Co., just as much as the possibility of the pressing plant. I haven't heard that recording engineers put marks in the trailout.
Woodbutcher Posted Saturday at 00:13 Posted Saturday at 00:13 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Robbk said: It certainly could be the mastering Co., just as much as the possibility of the pressing plant. I haven't heard that recording engineers put marks in the trailout. Really ... you must have seen for example the words "A Porky Prime Cut" scratched in the deadwax at some point in your vinyl wanderings , the trademark of the great Mr George Peckham. Edited Saturday at 00:15 by Woodbutcher
Robbk Posted Saturday at 00:13 Posted Saturday at 00:13 2 hours ago, Theothertosspot said: Top pic is non USA Bottom pic is USA one Both very similar but from where? To be fair the top one looks good whereas the bottom one looks not quite so. Could be resolution though It looks, to me, like "C. I. ". One of Columbia's? IF the tail of the letter C's portion that crosses the vertical line represents the letter "T", THEN it is a fancy "CT", which would represent Columbia Terre Haute. However, I don't think the pressings look like those of the Terre Haute plant, not being styrene, and the label printing fonts and graphic layout doesn't look anything like what Terre Haute EVER used. So I doubt that the logo represents "CT". I can't think of any Columbia facility that is in a city that starts with the letter, "I". But, the only codes that I know of that start with the letter, "C", are Columbia's. Regarding the label and font style, I recognise them as those used by of one of the main Illinois pressing plants used by northern and central Illinois record labels, and especially independent labels. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of that plant.
Robbk Posted Saturday at 00:17 Posted Saturday at 00:17 1 minute ago, Woodbutcher said: Really ... you must have seen for example the words "A Porky Prime Cut" scratched in the deadwax at some point in your vinyl wanderings , the trademark of the great Mr George Peckham. Now that you mentioned that, I DO remember seeing that type of marking, and wondering what that represented.
Woodbutcher Posted Saturday at 00:19 Posted Saturday at 00:19 Just now, Robbk said: Now that you mentioned that, I DO remember seeing that type of marking, and wondering what that represented. https://www.discogs.com/artist/380591-George-Peckham?superFilter=Technical
Woodbutcher Posted Saturday at 00:24 Posted Saturday at 00:24 Could it be a quickly and scruffily scratched 'Q' maybe ? Quality in Toronto was 'just down the road'.
Robbk Posted Saturday at 01:26 Posted Saturday at 01:26 1 hour ago, Woodbutcher said: https://www.discogs.com/artist/380591-George-Peckham?superFilter=Technical Of course he etched that, because he mastered the record.
Robbk Posted Saturday at 01:31 Posted Saturday at 01:31 1 hour ago, Woodbutcher said: Could it be a quickly and scruffily scratched 'Q' maybe ? Quality in Toronto was 'just down the road'. It certainly could be a lower case "q". It could be a backwards "p". It could be, or represent a LOT of different things.
Woodbutcher Posted Saturday at 09:14 Posted Saturday at 09:14 (edited) 7 hours ago, Robbk said: It certainly could be a lower case "q". It could be a backwards "p". It could be, or represent a LOT of different things. No need to be so prickly Robb , I'm just throwing ideas into the pot that haven't been mentioned thus far. And there are umpteen examples of engineers marking the metalwork they've produced , not every deadwax mark is a pressing plant identifier. https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/678616 Edited Saturday at 09:16 by Woodbutcher
Robbk Posted Saturday at 10:49 Posted Saturday at 10:49 1 hour ago, Woodbutcher said: No need to be so prickly Robb , I'm just throwing ideas into the pot that haven't been mentioned thus far. And there are umpteen examples of engineers marking the metalwork they've produced , not every deadwax mark is a pressing plant identifier. https://www.discogs.com/group/thread/678616 Sorry. I didn't mean at all to be prickly. I was agreeing with you about it looking like a "q", and just adding another possibility. And I wasn't trying to disparage the idea that a recording engineer would mark a record if they cut the master. 1
Woodbutcher Posted Saturday at 10:57 Posted Saturday at 10:57 5 minutes ago, Robbk said: Sorry. I didn't mean at all to be prickly. I was agreeing with you about it looking like a "q", and just adding another possibility. And I wasn't trying to disparage the idea that a recording engineer would mark a record if they cut the master. No worries , I just took the capitalised 'LOT' the wrong way ...
Robbk Posted Saturday at 18:46 Posted Saturday at 18:46 7 hours ago, Woodbutcher said: No worries , I just took the capitalised 'LOT' the wrong way ... Thanks, I only meant it could represent a lot of different alphabet letters and individual symbols of record masterers or pressing plants, rather than a wide gamut like "everything in The World". If I ever say anything "personal" about any forum poster's actions, it will only be positive, in praise, not putting someone down. I wouldn't want to be "combative" and ruin the mood here, of people who come here to learn and share knowledge and bringing good music to each other. 1
Chalky Posted Sunday at 15:24 Posted Sunday at 15:24 (edited) I don’t think it looks anything like a Q, hasty or otherwise. If any letter it looks more like an e of some sort. Edited Sunday at 15:24 by Chalky
Robbk Posted Sunday at 19:19 Posted Sunday at 19:19 3 hours ago, Chalky said: I don’t think it looks anything like a Q, hasty or otherwise. If any letter it looks more like an e of some sort. It could be a lower case "e" on its side, based on what looks like a "base" on the bottom of the vertical line. But IF that were the case, the "base" of the symbol would be on its left side. We have no way of knowing what it stands for, unless we can think of which pressing plants, and record masterers in that region's company or owners or staff personal names could match what the symbol represents. It's like a shot in the dark, unless we can find some documentation that matches the information we know is concrete.
Richard Free Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Whilst o quite enjoy these discussions re dead wax etc my wife would truly piss herself at the nerdery if that has ever been a word .Great stuff guys .We need this different world we live in
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