John Manship Auction results 4th December 2024.

[Woodbutcher]

 

Some minor squabbling over the Shepards but the rest have sold @ 18:08.

Edited December 4, 2024 by Woodbutcher

[Mal C]

What am I missing, £326 for Shepards on ABC... god its still going on... £356 now...  I should not be surprised should I? I dont know, that don't sound right to me... brilliant track, but well over..

[Woodbutcher]

[Woodbutcher]

  On 04/12/2024 at 18:13, Mal C said:

What am I missing, £326 for Shepards on ABC... god its still going on... £356 now...  I should not be surprised should I? I dont know, that don't sound right to me... brilliant track, but well over..

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What's so hard to understand ? 

It's an auction of a rare item in great nick that two punters wanted , and one of them was prepared to pay a bit more than the other. 

Edited December 4, 2024 by Woodbutcher

[Peter99]

  On 04/12/2024 at 18:07, Woodbutcher said:

 

Some minor squabbling over the Shepards but the rest have sold @ 18:08.

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Thanks Steve

Peter

[Mal C]

  On 04/12/2024 at 18:18, Woodbutcher said:

What's so hard to understand ? 

It's an auction of a rare item in great nick that two punters wanted , and one of them was prepared to pay a bit more than the other. 

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Is it that rare? I don't think so. Those turn up quite often, more demos than issues I think, but its not mega rare and all that.

Why do these auction results get posted up on this site? so we can nag about the prices....

[Woodbutcher]

  On 04/12/2024 at 18:33, Mal C said:

Is it that rare? I don't think so. Those turn up quite often, more demos than issues I think, but its not mega rare and all that.

Why do these auction results get posted up on this site? so we can nag about the prices....

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Because you'd be lost without something to whinge about on a Wednesday evening if they weren't , that's why ... 

And a 45 doesn't need to be in the so-called 'mega-rare' bracket (that you used not me) to make £300 , we.ve seen bootlegs make that before.

Edited December 4, 2024 by Woodbutcher

[Lionelonthevinyl]

No idea if Robert Tanner is cheap/expensive but I think it's an amazing record!! Just basic and raw!  Thank you for posting. Rob

[Peter99]

Holly St James looks nice - I do like those ABC promos. It's still a stonker of a northern soul record - one of those mega, atmospheric things from my youth. 

Peter

[Zanetti]

  On 04/12/2024 at 18:07, Woodbutcher said:

Some minor squabbling over the Shepards but the rest have sold @ 18:08.

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Good evening everyone,

can someone please post the final result for robert tanner?
For some unknown reason I can't maximize this screenshot?
Is this a .jpeg or .png?
Thanks anyway

[Chalky]

  On 04/12/2024 at 19:50, Zanetti said:

Good evening everyone,

can someone please post the final result for robert tanner?
For some unknown reason I can't maximize this screenshot?
Is this a .jpeg or .png?
Thanks anyway

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£3934

[Woodbutcher]

  On 04/12/2024 at 19:50, Zanetti said:

Good evening everyone,

can someone please post the final result for robert tanner?
For some unknown reason I can't maximize this screenshot?
Is this a .jpeg or .png?
Thanks anyway

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It's a .png but I've just turned it to .jpeg for you.

 

[Dylan]

Love Robert tanner superb record maybe one of the biggest records around 2000-2005 ish ?

enchantments seems very expensive ?

[Woodbutcher]

  On 04/12/2024 at 21:34, Dylan said:

Love Robert tanner superb record maybe one of the biggest records around 2000-2005 ish ?

enchantments seems very expensive ?

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Issue's a lot scarcer than a demo , but saying that some plum paid £892 for a demo on the bay at the end of September ... !

https://www.popsike.com/Enchantments-Im-In-Love-With-Your-Daughter-Pt-I-II-Faro-DJ-Promo-RARE-NM/166916293824.html

[Codehound]

  On 04/12/2024 at 18:13, Mal C said:

What am I missing, £326 for Shepards on ABC... god its still going on... £356 now...  I should not be surprised should I? I dont know, that don't sound right to me... brilliant track, but well over..

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I had a little dabble at Shepards early on, but not at that price. Think I paid £75 for my demo.

[Tlscapital]

  On 04/12/2024 at 22:44, Codehound said:

I had a little dabble at Shepards early on, but not at that price. Think I paid £75 for my demo.

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In real the Monarch styrene abc (not PARAMOUNT) pressing is the rarest pressing variant for this Shepards 45. Then comes its abc stocker vinyl counterpart.

Then only the ABC-PARAMOUNT stocker and finally its white label promo variant being the most "common" one. Not necessary less desirable all the same.

Yet I'd doubt that the price should differ that much in regard of rarity factor for any of these variants. Just a seller's pitch infatuation argument IMHO.

[Dobber]

  On 05/12/2024 at 10:51, Tlscapital said:

In real the Monarch styrene abc (not PARAMOUNT) pressing is the rarest pressing variant for this Shepards 45. Then comes its abc stocker vinyl counterpart.

Then only the ABC-PARAMOUNT stocker and finally its white label promo variant being the most "common" one. Not necessary less desirable all the same.

Yet I'd doubt that the price should differ that much in regard of rarity factor for any of these variants. Just a seller's pitch infatuation argument IMHO.

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I do wonder if a lot of these records are nice quality records,and in some cases rare too! However there’s records to own and play at home,then there are the niter and soul nites records,seems to me that the two differ greatly! The shepards is a quality tune,but it’s never grabbed the floor!

[Tlscapital]

  On 05/12/2024 at 11:03, Dobber said:

I do wonder if a lot of these records are nice quality records,and in some cases rare too! However there’s records to own and play at home,then there are the niter and soul nites records,seems to me that the two differ greatly! The shepards is a quality tune,but it’s never grabbed the floor!

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OK I get your point on the 'dee-jay' and the NS dancers in this matter (but also true in other circles). We see it happening just too often. Until the forwarded dee-jays get shadowed by some BIG name for "kicking it off"... Any of that do indeed affect the demand and so the prices accordingly.

[Dylan]

  On 05/12/2024 at 11:03, Dobber said:

I do wonder if a lot of these records are nice quality records,and in some cases rare too! However there’s records to own and play at home,then there are the niter and soul nites records,seems to me that the two differ greatly! The shepards is a quality tune,but it’s never grabbed the floor!

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These Sunday soul sessions seem to have opened the door to home listening soul getting played in a social venue environment so maybe raising appreciation of this type of sound ? And thus pushing prices up.

[Chalky]

  On 05/12/2024 at 11:55, Dylan said:

These Sunday soul sessions seem to have opened the door to home listening soul getting played in a social venue environment so maybe raising appreciation of this type of sound ? And thus pushing prices up.

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I was just going to say the Northern Soul scene is just a part of the equation now. You only have to read this post to see some still think it’s the only part that matters, it isn’t. 

[Dylan]

I find the records with less immediate dance floor appeal have greater longevity but probably take far longer for demand to grow.

 

personally I prefer these slower less instant sounds 

[Dobber]

Chalky is right,it isn’t all just about northern anymore! If you want a good time and dance to stuff you’ve grown up listening to then there are loads of places to attend ,also chill out places,and places that play a bit of all sorts! But I do think it’s the major niters that drive the values on records,if a big name starting hammering the shepards at every major niter then the value would no doubt well exceed even the 350 mark! Personally I love the record,but wouldn’t pay past the 150 quid regardless of any demand or popularity 

[Ian Parker]

Holly St James   is it just me,  or does anyone else nip  to the bog when this sort or thing comes out of the speakers?    clearly lots love it,  but i've never even thought it a good record    ho hum. 

[Jessie Pinkman]

Regarding The Shepards, is it just my hearing or are the lead vocals really poor on that record. It could be my hearing because I've recently decided the lead vocals of The Changing Scene "When the city sleeps" are really bad as well. I'll book myself in for a check up.

[Benji]

  On 05/12/2024 at 12:58, Dobber said:

Chalky is right,it isn’t all just about northern anymore! If you want a good time and dance to stuff you’ve grown up listening to then there are loads of places to attend ,also chill out places,and places that play a bit of all sorts! But I do think it’s the major niters that drive the values on records,if a big name starting hammering the shepards at every major niter then the value would no doubt well exceed even the 350 mark! Personally I love the record,but wouldn’t pay past the 150 quid regardless of any demand or popularity 

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Maybe it's the demand from the Northern scene that increases prices in absolute numbers. But I think it's been the lowrider/sweet soul 45s that are skyrocketing these days in relation to what they did cost say 10/15 years. And many if not most of them are bought by UK collectors.

[Happy Feet]

  On 05/12/2024 at 11:03, Dobber said:

I do wonder if a lot of these records are nice quality records,and in some cases rare too! However there’s records to own and play at home,then there are the niter and soul nites records,seems to me that the two differ greatly! The shepards is a quality tune,but it’s never grabbed the floor!

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If memory serves me right The Shepards was played and very popular pre 100 Club at the 6ts soul nights , and then early doors at the 100 Club too .

I'm sure someone else must remember  

[Peter99]

  On 05/12/2024 at 13:15, Ian Parker said:

Holly St James   is it just me,  or does anyone else nip  to the bog when this sort or thing comes out of the speakers?    clearly lots love it,  but i've never even thought it a good record    ho hum. 

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One of those records for me that takes you right back in time; I'm sure I'm not alone. Had, has the ability to make the back of the hairs stand up. Three back street blues and you're there. 

Edit. Actually, it is worth saying that this record was a huge northern soul record. Packed dance floors everywhere back in the day. And still has "it".

Edited December 5, 2024 by Peter99
amends

[Whiskyagogo]

  On 04/12/2024 at 18:33, Mal C said:

Is it that rare? I don't think so. Those turn up quite often, more demos than issues I think, but its not mega rare and all that.

Why do these auction results get posted up on this site? so we can nag about the prices....

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Some do, like you. Many dont, like me & just put it down to life.

[Dylan]

  On 05/12/2024 at 14:19, Benji said:

Maybe it's the demand from the Northern scene that increases prices in absolute numbers. But I think it's been the lowrider/sweet soul 45s that are skyrocketing these days in relation to what they did cost say 10/15 years. And many if not most of them are bought by UK collectors.

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When I sold obscure ballads most went back to states or Japan but that was a while ago now.  There obviously are UK based collectors but I don’t think they are the majority for this sound.  

Edited December 9, 2024 by Dylan