Manship's Auction Results- Nov. 27, 2024

[The Yank]

     All prices in pounds- All U.S.  releases except where noted- 

Al Williams- " I Am Nothing" La Beat DJ- 6680

Rotations- "A Changed Man" - Frantic DJ - 452

E. Lampkin/ Invaders- "Music Turn Me Loose" - Earth- 408

Al McCarther- "His True Love For You" - Two Guitars- !005

Benny Spellman- "This Is My Love For You" - Alon (Manship Mint) - 198

Topics- "She's So Fine" - Carnival DJ- 176

Billy Keene- "Wishin' And Hopin" - Vault- 295

Dena Barnes- "If You Ever..." - Inferno DJ - 756

Jeffrey Allen- "Dilly Dilly" - Mala- 210

Lester Tipton/ Masqueraders- "This Won't Change"/ "How" - Grapevine U.K. DJ- 95

Master Plan- "(The Girl In) Clinton Park" - Fos-Glo- 116

Mr. Flood's Party- "Compared To What" Ember U.K. DJ- 212

Jimmy Armstrong..... - "You're Getting Next To Me Baby"- Brothers 3- 128

John Drevar's Expression- "The Closer She Gets" MGM U.K. DJ- 1007

Bileo- "You Can't Win" - MTU/ Watts City- 715

Majestics- "I Love Her So Much..." Linda DJ- 510

Shawn Robinson- "My Dear Heart' - Minit- 446

Olympics- "The Same Old Thing" ( mispress with alt. version) - Mirwood- 1005

 

 

 

 

 

[Solidsoul]

Over £1000 is a high price for a rare but inferior version of "The Same Old Thing" by The Olympics. 

This version sounds duller, and has less of an exciting production, than the standard released classic to me. I suppose it's something different to play!

Edited Thursday at 12:01 by Solidsoul

[Mal C]

wow, you are saying Master Plan- "(The Girl In) Clinton Park" on  Fos-Glo- went for £116? thats a rare 45, and thats dirt cheap for that.

wish I'd bid..

[Wiggyflat]

12 minutes ago, Mal C said:

wow, you are saying Master Plan- "(The Girl In) Clinton Park" on  Fos-Glo- went for £116? thats a rare 45, and thats dirt cheap for that.

wish I'd bid..

£98 to the seller with the (im assuming) 15 percent sales fee.

[Peter99]

20 minutes ago, Mal C said:

wow, you are saying Master Plan- "(The Girl In) Clinton Park" on  Fos-Glo- went for £116? thats a rare 45, and thats dirt cheap for that.

wish I'd bid..

It's a very pretty record Malc.

Peter

[Lionelonthevinyl]

21 minutes ago, Wiggyflat said:

£98 to the seller with the (im assuming) 15 percent sales f

Mr Manship charges 20% commission. But normally realises the best prices. Thank you...Rob

[Peter99]

3 minutes ago, Lionelonthevinyl said:

Mr Manship charges 20% commission. But normally realises the best prices. Thank you...Rob

Johnny Manship knows how to sell records; he's at the top of the pile. A true gentleman to boot.

Peter

[Woodbutcher]

5 minutes ago, Lionelonthevinyl said:

Mr Manship charges 20% commission. But normally realises the best prices. Thank you...Rob

Only charged to the seller , buyers pay what their winning bid was , no extras.

[Ian Parker]

Al Williams,   wowzers !       

[Gaz T]

Jeffery Allen is a fabulous record IMO

much rarer than the price achieved suggests IMO

Bargain 

Great Stafford era Sound 

[Peter99]

23 minutes ago, Ian Parker said:

Al Williams,   wowzers !       

A  magnificent record; the northern soul music scene encapsulated in one record. 

 

[Dylan]

Jimmy Armstrong on brothers three is incredible deep soul one of my favourite records.

 

for quality and rarity this is very cheap.

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 21:23 by Dylan

[Peter99]

Shawn Robinson is a fantastic record. 

[Mal C]

12 hours ago, Peter99 said:

It's a very pretty record Malc.

Peter

More importantly Peter, its rare, its on its first local San Fransisco issue, and its a bloody brilliant track wish I had bid, or even seen it, Ive been after that on Fos-Glo for a while.

[Peter99]

39 minutes ago, Mal C said:

More importantly Peter, its rare, its on its first local San Fransisco issue, and its a bloody brilliant track wish I had bid, or even seen it, Ive been after that on Fos-Glo for a while.

You'll get one mate. It's always the same when your looking for a record - you often miss real bargains such as this one. As Sam Williams almost sang, The Record Slipped Through My Fingers.

Best wishes Malc.

Peter

[Mal C]

Do we think £295 is expensive for Billy Keene on Vault? Paula demo or issue is what 100--150 depending...

[Tlscapital]

7 hours ago, Mal C said:

Do we think £295 is expensive for Billy Keene on Vault? Paula demo or issue is what 100--150 depending...

The Paula "drier" mix on both sides of this Billy Keene's fantastic double-sider is much less sexier than the Vault one is filled with reverbs and depths. But £295 is too much indeed. 

The Master Plan's 'Clinton Park' mix on Fos-Glo is also something else to get accustomed to if like me you've played 10,000 times your De-Lite copy before... But then after what a treat !

Edited Thursday at 16:59 by Tlscapital

[Paraboliccurve]

Presumably Bileo You Can't Win is the follow-up.

[Steviehay]

once again records auctioned off,but now i probably realise why if these are in someones collection they ask /or are put to auction ...thank me later 

[Peter99]

1 hour ago, Steviehay said:

once again records auctioned off,but now i probably realise why if these are in someones collection they ask /or are put to auction ...thank me later 

I don't quite follow that post Stevie.

[Steviehay]

2 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

I don't quite follow that post Stevie.

meaning some records shouldn't be in this auction as everyone knows the price so a set sale item has been auctioned off ,but if this is someones collection given to john ............auction 

[Geobuch335]

On 27/11/2024 at 19:53, Solidsoul said:

Over £1000 is a high price for a rare but inferior version of "The Same Old Thing" by The Olympics. 

This version sounds duller, and has less of an exciting production, than the standard released classic to me. I suppose it's something different to play!

I bought this record for a fiver from a well known dealer four years ago and complained that it had the same old thing when you played it.

 Not that bothered now that he never got back to me about it……..

[Mgm 1251]

20 hours ago, Mal C said:

Do we think £295 is expensive for Billy Keene on Vault? Paula demo or issue is what 100--150 depending...

I have a mint BK on Vault and love the record,but was surprised that it went as far as £295...but if you read back on John's blurb,he likened it to Terry Calliers' Look At Me Now', but I can't see where the similarities are....

[Paraboliccurve]

14 hours ago, Steviehay said:

meaning some records shouldn't be in this auction as everyone knows the price so a set sale item has been auctioned off ,but if this is someones collection given to john ............auction 

There is no such thing as a set sale item with a known price.

[Mal C]

10 hours ago, Mgm 1251 said:

I have a mint BK on Vault and love the record,but was surprised that it went as far as £295...but if you read back on John's blurb,he likened it to Terry Calliers' Look At Me Now', but I can't see where the similarities are....

Well they are both vinyl records, I guess we can agree on that.

[Tlscapital]

2 minutes ago, Mal C said:

Well they are both vinyl records, I guess we can agree on that.

No Billy Keene on Vault is styrene...

[Mal C]

12 minutes ago, Tlscapital said:

No Billy Keene on Vault is styrene...

smart arse...

[Tlscapital]

1 hour ago, Mal C said:

smart arse...

[Mgm 1251]

2 minutes ago, Tlscapital said:

Yeh....Get lost....

[Steviehay]

On 29/11/2024 at 10:37, Paraboliccurve said:

There is no such thing as a set sale item with a known price.

?????

[Clee93]

On 27/11/2024 at 19:53, Solidsoul said:

Over £1000 is a high price for a rare but inferior version of "The Same Old Thing" by The Olympics. 

This version sounds duller, and has less of an exciting production, than the standard released classic to me. I suppose it's something different to play!

I beg to differ, this take sounds so much better and more interesting. Especially when hearing it over a decent sound system. Another great example of this is the Lou Johnson's take of The Panic Is On... A much more sparse and spacey production which sounds infinitely better when played by through proper means. 

Edited Saturday at 15:54 by Clee93

[Dylan]

On 29/11/2024 at 10:37, Paraboliccurve said:

There is no such thing as a set sale item with a known price.

It seems also that some items have a rough price between collectors but an auction copy will go way over it.

 

and supply demand changes prices constantly

Edited Saturday at 16:04 by Dylan

[Peter99]

13 minutes ago, Dylan said:

It seems also that some items have a rough price between collectors but an auction copy will go way over it.

 

 

An auction price may not always go above what collectors think any rough price might be. Often they do, but not always. And if even if they do, there's no guarantee the auction will achieve a price way above what everyone thinks it may achieve.  

Peter 

[Dylan]

1 hour ago, Peter99 said:

An auction price may not always go above what collectors think any rough price might be. Often they do, but not always. And if even if they do, there's no guarantee the auction will achieve a price way above what everyone thinks it may achieve.  

Peter 

Recent example that astonished me was uprights on alley going for about 800 I thought it was 100 tops as much as I think it’s a fantastic record I had it down as what we used to call a tape swappers sound.

[Paraboliccurve]

On 30/11/2024 at 13:45, Steviehay said:

?????

I'm not sure what's hard to understand here - it's very simple economics, and a question of supply and demand.

What's the 'known price' for a 'set sale item' like I Remember The Feeling by Barbara Lewis?

You can't say, because there isn't one - I would guess (though it is only a guess, because like everyone else I am dealing with imperfect information, particularly those questions of supply and demand) that it's anywhere between £25 and £100.

Just a quick addition to this: you've upvoted the following comment by Dylan, which seems to be arguing against you?

It seems also that some items have a rough price between collectors but an auction copy will go way over it.

and supply demand changes prices constantly

 

 

Edited 10 hours ago by Paraboliccurve

[Paraboliccurve]

On 30/11/2024 at 17:48, Dylan said:

Recent example that astonished me was uprights on alley going for about 800 I thought it was 100 tops as much as I think it’s a fantastic record I had it down as what we used to call a tape swappers sound.

This happens all the time (Up Tights) and has always happened (though I agree while a truly fantastic record I would never have paid that for it - I paid £4 for mine, albeit a long time ago).

As you say above, supply and demand.

I am NOT saying this is what happened there, but imagine that someone somehow finds out that only 500 copies of X record were ever pressed, so hazards a guess than maybe 200 survive in decent nick, AND at the same time that some influential DJ in Germany or Japan (or even eg Butch) is about to start hammering it.

£800 might be a good investment then.

There are what we might think of as reasonable ranges of prices, but there's just no such thing as the 'right' price for any record.

There is only the price a given bloke is prepared to pay on a given day, while his wife is out with her mates.

[Chalky]

On 29/11/2024 at 10:37, Paraboliccurve said:

There is no such thing as a set sale item with a known price.

I disagree.  Many records have a searchable history and most collectors and dealers know the estimated rarity or otherwise of most records.  Why would you auction a record that has been at or around a certain price for years, why not simply set sale it?

[Paraboliccurve]

28 minutes ago, Chalky said:

I disagree.  Many records have a searchable history and most collectors and dealers know the estimated rarity or otherwise of most records.  Why would you auction a record that has been at or around a certain price for years, why not simply set sale it?

I didn't say there were no auction records, I said there were no set sale items with known prices (and it's the known price bit that's wrong - though there's also nothing intrinsically wrong with auctioning cheap records, and it happens every week up and down the country and on eBay).
 

There is a range of prices, and whether a given record sells at a given price on a given day depends entirely on supply and demand. 
 

What - for instance - is the 'known price' for Barbara Lewis I Remember The Feeling?

If I were selling a copy I'd want £100 (and I'd get it if I waited long enough) but would probably settle for £75 (if I wanted to get rid of it) or £50 if I needed the cash for something. If I were buying I'd hope to get one for £25 (and I would if I waited) but might pay up to £40. 
 

Which of these is the 'known price'? Or would you suggest another price altogether?