Charles Mintz - Since I Found You Girl - UP LOOK

[Kev John]

https://www.discogs.com/master/785206-Charles-Mintz-Since-I-Found-You-Girl

1st Press Disc logo 1969

Re-Issue Glasses logo unknown 

Does anyone know the time scale between the presses ?

Both records have idendical marking in the runout but there's a differance where located in the runout

Your thoughts welcomed

Kev

 

[Thfcliam]

Great record

[Kev John]

28 minutes ago, Thfcliam said:

Great record

Not the answer i wanted sorry

[Thfcliam]

21 minutes ago, Kev John said:

 

Edited November 19 by Thfcliam

[Kev John]

6 minutes ago, Thfcliam said:

No but I can say what a great record it is!

No you can't we all know it

Read the question on the thread

 

Posted 2 hours ago

https://www.discogs.com/master/785206-Charles-Mintz-Since-I-Found-You-Girl

1st Press Disc logo 1969

Re-Issue Glasses logo unknown 

Does anyone know the time scale between the presses ?

Both records have idendical marking in the runout but there's a differance where located in the runout

Your thoughts welcomed

Kev

 

[Thfcliam]

22 minutes ago, Kev John said:

No you can't we all know it

Read the question on the thread

 

Posted 2 hours ago

https://www.discogs.com/master/785206-Charles-Mintz-Since-I-Found-You-Girl

1st Press Disc logo 1969

Re-Issue Glasses logo unknown 

Does anyone know the time scale between the presses ?

Both records have idendical marking in the runout but there's a differance where located in the runout

Your thoughts welcomed

Kev

 

Okay thanks. All I can see is the 2nd press was released: Oct 1969 but nothing on the first press, be interested to know aswell now. Thanks 

[Chalky]

The tracks weren't copyrighted until Sept 1969. I would imagine the first press was Oct 1969. 

[Woodbutcher]

24 minutes ago, Thfcliam said:

Okay thanks. All I can see is the 2nd press was released: Oct 1969 but nothing on the first press, be interested to know aswell now. Thanks 

Really , which Discogs page are you reading ... ?

[Chalky]

Discogs only has a date for the first release, 1969.  I would imagine the catalogue number (10869) is the date of the press, Oct 8 69?

[Thfcliam]

41 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said:

Really , which Discogs page are you reading ... ?

I saw it on the 45cat website

 

https://www.45cat.com/record/10869us

Edited November 19 by Thfcliam

[Thfcliam]

Oh I've now noticed is says 

 

Nov 8, 1969 in the notes ? 

[Chalky]

8 minutes ago, Thfcliam said:

Oh I've now noticed is says 

 

Nov 8, 1969 in the notes ? 

I think that is mention for a Record World advert

[Kev John]

Could UP LOOK pressed at different plants ?

With 2 variations of label set up !

1st press vinyl as imperfections 

2nd as a better quality of vinyl used

Also add this into the runout matrix  both records photo below

Edited November 19 by Kev John
extra info

[Chalky]

any sign of Virtue in the run out as the second press info on discogs suggests Virtue is in the run out.  TVC is the mastering company, they who made the stampers and who often used Superior Pressing plant located next door to them.

Edited November 19 by Chalky

[Kev John]

5 minutes ago, Chalky said:

any sign of Virtue in the run out as the second press info on discogs suggests Virtue is in the run out.  TVC is the mastering company, they who made the stampers and who often used Superior Pressing plant located next door to them.

Virtue etched in both records Karl

[Chalky]

Records recorded and mastered at Virtue often used the date for the catalogue number, as do the Uplook releases.  Probable they were recorded and mastered at virtue, the metal work done at Tracy Val, pressed at Superior.....just a guess.

[Kev John]

18 hours ago, Chalky said:

Records recorded and mastered at Virtue often used the date for the catalogue number, as do the Uplook releases.  Probable they were recorded and mastered at virtue, the metal work done at Tracy Val, pressed at Superior.....just a guess.

So Karl do you rekkon both variations of label where realeased in 1969  ?

Cuz that's my thinkin' on it 

[Chalky]

1 hour ago, Kev John said:

So Karl do you rekkon both variations of label where realeased in 1969  ?

Cuz that's my thinkin' on it 

His second release was copyrighted Jan 1970 so not long between the releases.  The first maybe sold well enough to warrant a second press in between releases.

Edited November 20 by Chalky

[The Yank]

I can't find any mention or ad of Charles Mintz in Record World in 1969, ( there is a mention of his followup single in 1970) but I did find this survey with the flip side of the single at #24- 

[Woodbutcher]

26 minutes ago, The Yank said:

I can't find any mention or ad of Charles Mintz in Record World in 1969, ( there is a mention of his followup single in 1970) but I did find this survey with the flip side of the single at #24- 

But "Blues So Bad" is listed as the 'A' side on the 'reissue so surely that's what's being referred to in that list above , not likely to be listing the 'B' side of the earlier press surely ?

[Alan T]

This is from Record World November 8th 1969

[Chalky]

So it was getting some action and mentions late 1969, probably enough to warrant the second press.

[Woodbutcher]

9 minutes ago, Chalky said:

So it was getting some action and mentions late 1969, probably enough to warrant the second press.

Those 'mentions' are of the so-called 're-issue'.

[Chalky]

7 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said:

Those 'mentions' are of the so-called 're-issue'.

We don't know that really.  The first wasn't mastered until 8th Oct so a month later in the mags would fit.  The Blues So Bad side is maybe the one the promotion guys were pushing round the stations.  There is nothing on either press to really denote A or B side.

Edited November 20 by Chalky

[Chalky]

The credits and info on the labels is the same for both releases.

[Woodbutcher]

My guess would be that the first one of those was the first pressing/release on the label and the repress was done very shortly afterwards following a label design rethink/redesign to produce the much more 'in your face' label that was used in all subsequent releases on the label.

Especially as both have identical run-out markings suggesting the same stamper was used.

Edited November 20 by Woodbutcher

[Chalky]

4 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said:

My guess would be that the first one of those was the first pressing/release on the label and the repress was done very shortly afterwards following a label design rethink/redesign to produce the much more 'in your face' label that was used in all subsequent releases on the label.

Especially as both have identical run-out markings suggesting the same stamper was used.

That's my guess too especially as the second release one Mintz was very early in 1970.  My guess with there being two presses it did well locally and they wanted to strike whilst the iron was hot with his second 45.

[Kev John]

16 hours ago, Woodbutcher said:

My guess would be that the first one of those was the first pressing/release on the label and the repress was done very shortly afterwards following a label design rethink/redesign to produce the much more 'in your face' label that was used in all subsequent releases on the label.

Especially as both have identical run-out markings suggesting the same stamper was used.

Sounds a very plausable insight 

The disc release is rarer than the Glasses logo according to discogs

So sales of 1st press may be low  

 

 

 

Edited November 21 by Kev John