Kev John Posted Tuesday at 15:58 Posted Tuesday at 15:58 https://www.discogs.com/master/785206-Charles-Mintz-Since-I-Found-You-Girl 1st Press Disc logo 1969 Re-Issue Glasses logo unknown Does anyone know the time scale between the presses ? Both records have idendical marking in the runout but there's a differance where located in the runout Your thoughts welcomed Kev
Kev John Posted Tuesday at 17:58 Author Posted Tuesday at 17:58 28 minutes ago, Thfcliam said: Great record Not the answer i wanted sorry 1
Thfcliam Posted Tuesday at 18:12 Posted Tuesday at 18:12 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Kev John said: Edited Tuesday at 18:20 by Thfcliam
Kev John Posted Tuesday at 18:22 Author Posted Tuesday at 18:22 6 minutes ago, Thfcliam said: No but I can say what a great record it is! No you can't we all know it Read the question on the thread Posted 2 hours ago https://www.discogs.com/master/785206-Charles-Mintz-Since-I-Found-You-Girl 1st Press Disc logo 1969 Re-Issue Glasses logo unknown Does anyone know the time scale between the presses ? Both records have idendical marking in the runout but there's a differance where located in the runout Your thoughts welcomed Kev
Thfcliam Posted Tuesday at 18:47 Posted Tuesday at 18:47 22 minutes ago, Kev John said: No you can't we all know it Read the question on the thread Posted 2 hours ago https://www.discogs.com/master/785206-Charles-Mintz-Since-I-Found-You-Girl 1st Press Disc logo 1969 Re-Issue Glasses logo unknown Does anyone know the time scale between the presses ? Both records have idendical marking in the runout but there's a differance where located in the runout Your thoughts welcomed Kev Okay thanks. All I can see is the 2nd press was released: Oct 1969 but nothing on the first press, be interested to know aswell now. Thanks 1
Chalky Posted Tuesday at 19:02 Posted Tuesday at 19:02 The tracks weren't copyrighted until Sept 1969. I would imagine the first press was Oct 1969. 1
Woodbutcher Posted Tuesday at 19:14 Posted Tuesday at 19:14 24 minutes ago, Thfcliam said: Okay thanks. All I can see is the 2nd press was released: Oct 1969 but nothing on the first press, be interested to know aswell now. Thanks Really , which Discogs page are you reading ... ?
Chalky Posted Tuesday at 19:26 Posted Tuesday at 19:26 Discogs only has a date for the first release, 1969. I would imagine the catalogue number (10869) is the date of the press, Oct 8 69?
Thfcliam Posted Tuesday at 19:54 Posted Tuesday at 19:54 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said: Really , which Discogs page are you reading ... ? I saw it on the 45cat website https://www.45cat.com/record/10869us Edited Tuesday at 19:55 by Thfcliam
Thfcliam Posted Tuesday at 19:56 Posted Tuesday at 19:56 Oh I've now noticed is says Nov 8, 1969 in the notes ?
Chalky Posted Tuesday at 20:05 Posted Tuesday at 20:05 8 minutes ago, Thfcliam said: Oh I've now noticed is says Nov 8, 1969 in the notes ? I think that is mention for a Record World advert 1
Kev John Posted Tuesday at 20:32 Author Posted Tuesday at 20:32 (edited) Could UP LOOK pressed at different plants ? With 2 variations of label set up ! 1st press vinyl as imperfections 2nd as a better quality of vinyl used Also add this into the runout matrix both records photo below Edited Tuesday at 20:40 by Kev John extra info 1
Chalky Posted Tuesday at 21:06 Posted Tuesday at 21:06 (edited) any sign of Virtue in the run out as the second press info on discogs suggests Virtue is in the run out. TVC is the mastering company, they who made the stampers and who often used Superior Pressing plant located next door to them. Edited Tuesday at 21:06 by Chalky 1
Kev John Posted Tuesday at 21:12 Author Posted Tuesday at 21:12 5 minutes ago, Chalky said: any sign of Virtue in the run out as the second press info on discogs suggests Virtue is in the run out. TVC is the mastering company, they who made the stampers and who often used Superior Pressing plant located next door to them. Virtue etched in both records Karl
Chalky Posted Tuesday at 21:15 Posted Tuesday at 21:15 Records recorded and mastered at Virtue often used the date for the catalogue number, as do the Uplook releases. Probable they were recorded and mastered at virtue, the metal work done at Tracy Val, pressed at Superior.....just a guess. 1 1
Kev John Posted Wednesday at 16:04 Author Posted Wednesday at 16:04 18 hours ago, Chalky said: Records recorded and mastered at Virtue often used the date for the catalogue number, as do the Uplook releases. Probable they were recorded and mastered at virtue, the metal work done at Tracy Val, pressed at Superior.....just a guess. So Karl do you rekkon both variations of label where realeased in 1969 ? Cuz that's my thinkin' on it 1
Chalky Posted Wednesday at 17:08 Posted Wednesday at 17:08 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kev John said: So Karl do you rekkon both variations of label where realeased in 1969 ? Cuz that's my thinkin' on it His second release was copyrighted Jan 1970 so not long between the releases. The first maybe sold well enough to warrant a second press in between releases. Edited Wednesday at 17:21 by Chalky 1
The Yank Posted Wednesday at 17:29 Posted Wednesday at 17:29 I can't find any mention or ad of Charles Mintz in Record World in 1969, ( there is a mention of his followup single in 1970) but I did find this survey with the flip side of the single at #24- 1 1
Woodbutcher Posted Wednesday at 17:57 Posted Wednesday at 17:57 26 minutes ago, The Yank said: I can't find any mention or ad of Charles Mintz in Record World in 1969, ( there is a mention of his followup single in 1970) but I did find this survey with the flip side of the single at #24- But "Blues So Bad" is listed as the 'A' side on the 'reissue so surely that's what's being referred to in that list above , not likely to be listing the 'B' side of the earlier press surely ?
Alan T Posted Wednesday at 18:23 Posted Wednesday at 18:23 This is from Record World November 8th 1969 2 1
Chalky Posted Wednesday at 18:51 Posted Wednesday at 18:51 So it was getting some action and mentions late 1969, probably enough to warrant the second press.
Woodbutcher Posted Wednesday at 19:02 Posted Wednesday at 19:02 9 minutes ago, Chalky said: So it was getting some action and mentions late 1969, probably enough to warrant the second press. Those 'mentions' are of the so-called 're-issue'.
Chalky Posted Wednesday at 19:09 Posted Wednesday at 19:09 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said: Those 'mentions' are of the so-called 're-issue'. We don't know that really. The first wasn't mastered until 8th Oct so a month later in the mags would fit. The Blues So Bad side is maybe the one the promotion guys were pushing round the stations. There is nothing on either press to really denote A or B side. Edited Wednesday at 19:10 by Chalky
Chalky Posted Wednesday at 19:12 Posted Wednesday at 19:12 The credits and info on the labels is the same for both releases.
Woodbutcher Posted Wednesday at 19:20 Posted Wednesday at 19:20 (edited) My guess would be that the first one of those was the first pressing/release on the label and the repress was done very shortly afterwards following a label design rethink/redesign to produce the much more 'in your face' label that was used in all subsequent releases on the label. Especially as both have identical run-out markings suggesting the same stamper was used. Edited Wednesday at 19:22 by Woodbutcher 1
Chalky Posted Wednesday at 19:26 Posted Wednesday at 19:26 4 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said: My guess would be that the first one of those was the first pressing/release on the label and the repress was done very shortly afterwards following a label design rethink/redesign to produce the much more 'in your face' label that was used in all subsequent releases on the label. Especially as both have identical run-out markings suggesting the same stamper was used. That's my guess too especially as the second release one Mintz was very early in 1970. My guess with there being two presses it did well locally and they wanted to strike whilst the iron was hot with his second 45. 1
Kev John Posted 13 hours ago Author Posted 13 hours ago (edited) 16 hours ago, Woodbutcher said: My guess would be that the first one of those was the first pressing/release on the label and the repress was done very shortly afterwards following a label design rethink/redesign to produce the much more 'in your face' label that was used in all subsequent releases on the label. Especially as both have identical run-out markings suggesting the same stamper was used. Sounds a very plausable insight The disc release is rarer than the Glasses logo according to discogs So sales of 1st press may be low Edited 13 hours ago by Kev John 1
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