AI Soul anyone?

[Geeselad]

So we have Riker releasing a range of AI Soul tunes in a variety of styles. Opinions please, tin hats on lads!

 

Is it worse than the cherub cheeked fat lad  from Blackpool"s most dire efforts? or the way forward, will butch be hammering them at the 100 club?

Edited November 13 by Geeselad

[Dylan]

1 minute ago, Geeselad said:

So we have Riker releasing a range of AI Soul tunes in a variety of styles. Opinions please, tin hats on lads!

I wandered how long before we had a thread about this.

 

been listening to the tracks on deans show now for some weeks and they are very good.

 

made by somebody who has listened to a lot of soul music.  He was quite open and honest in the show about them.

 

maybe get some real singers involved ?

[Woodbutcher]

We've already had a thread from Mike on the subject ... interestingly the YT channel got chopped soon after the thread ... 

 

[Geeselad]

Apologies, I hadn't seen the other thread please feel free to merge if needed. 

[Dylan]

I missed that as well…..

[Woodbutcher]

They need burying not merging ... 

[Chalky]

They are not 100% AI, Colin did write them all. I think some of them are fantastic.  Lenny and The illustrators and the Betty J are brilliant. 

[Mike]

Riker Records website here

https://www.rikerrecords.com/

 

youtube clip

 

 

[Mark R]

Lot's of stuff by a "Michael Harris" on Traxsource.

It was being lauded up by some very respected people on Facebook but they needed their ears syringing I reckon.  Listen via headphones and it's sh!t!!  BV's a particular give away, very synthetic & shrill.

In that particular instance at least, it was a no from me and I'll accept any technology as long as the music is good.

 

Cheers,

Mark R

[Micksmix]

57 minutes ago, Mike said:

Riker Records website here

https://www.rikerrecords.com/

 

youtube clip

 

 

Any link to the Kimberlite Release from Jett Straker of the same record from a few years back??

[Mike]

4 minutes ago, Micksmix said:

Any link to the Kimberlite Release from Jett Straker of the same record from a few years back??

same title but diff song yep?

https://kimberliterecords.bandcamp.com/album/cause-im-ready-b-w-one-thing-i-know

[Micksmix]

8 minutes ago, Mike said:

same title but diff song yep?

https://kimberliterecords.bandcamp.com/album/cause-im-ready-b-w-one-thing-i-know

Sounds like the same song, with different production? Just my opinion though

[Sebastian]

5 hours ago, Mike said:

 

 

Jeezus christ, that's the tune that sparked a 250+ comment  thread on facebook a couple of months ago when Andy Tats Taylor posted a clip of it and we all tried to figure out who the artist was! So it's AI? That's an absolutely phonomenal tune regardless, I must say.

[Ladymidnight]

4 hours ago, Micksmix said:

Sounds like the same song, with different production? Just my opinion though

Similar hook but not the same song/lyrics.

[Dylan]

13 minutes ago, Sebastian said:

Jeezus christ, that's the tune that sparked a 250+ comment  thread on facebook a couple of months ago when Andy Tats Taylor posted a clip of it and we all tried to figure out who the artist was! So it's AI? That's an absolutely phonomenal tune regardless, I must say.

I think exactly the same it’d incredible plenty of haters.

 

if this was done with a human singer it would be getting far more credit.

 

its real musicians and lyrics written by a human.

Edited November 14 by Dylan

[Kev Cane]

Sorry, never been into "tailor made" stuff, that includes the "back in the day" Mecca stuff, obviously back then the technology wasn't there, but same intentions, depends on your perspective I suppose, but hearing, or finding something you haven't heard before, and there's still a bottomless pit, from the "US ghetto,s" is an unbeatable experience, but, horses for courses, just an honest opinion 

Kev

[washlively]

The tunes played on Dean's show were absolutely mega. Does anyone know which aspects of the tracks is actually AI?

[Mal C]

Very Tricky, my ears are saying YES!  My thoughts on AI are saying NO! 

Ive always told people Ive tried to keep one foot firmly on ther analogue world, and for good reason, but if it sounds good, it's good right? and these tracks do sound 'Oh so good'!

[Dylan]

19 minutes ago, washlively said:

The tunes played on Dean's show were absolutely mega. Does anyone know which aspects of the tracks is actually AI?

Just the vocal as I understand it

 

which is a key part of soul music as people who have lived through something will get that emotion into the song.

[Shinehead]

59 minutes ago, Dylan said:

Just the vocal as I understand it

 

which is a key part of soul music as people who have lived through something will get that emotion into the song.

No live appearances anytime soon I would imagine.

Unless they go down the hologram route.

"Keep soul music real"

[washlively]

1 hour ago, Dylan said:

Just the vocal as I understand it

 

which is a key part of soul music as people who have lived through something will get that emotion into the song.

Cheers pal

[Chalky]

4 hours ago, Dylan said:

Just the vocal as I understand it

 

which is a key part of soul music as people who have lived through something will get that emotion into the song.

But he has lived through the emotions in the lyrics he wrote

[Seano]

14 hours ago, Chalky said:

They are not 100% AI, Colin did write them all. I think some of them are fantastic.  Lenny and The illustrators and the Betty J are brilliant. 

Wow, fascinating stuff, and as Chalky says, the Lenny and the Illustrators sounds brilliant. I had a quick look at the website and subscribed to their emails - had to tick a checkbox to prove I'm human

[Mike]

On 14/11/2024 at 04:27, Chalky said:

They are not 100% AI, Colin did write them all. I think some of them are fantastic.  Lenny and The illustrators and the Betty J are brilliant. 

 

On 14/11/2024 at 13:34, washlively said:

The tunes played on Dean's show were absolutely mega. Does anyone know which aspects of the tracks is actually AI?

 

On 14/11/2024 at 13:55, Dylan said:

Just the vocal as I understand it

 

which is a key part of soul music as people who have lived through something will get that emotion into the song.

 

just to keep things clear, from what I have read above,  the 'vocal' of Lenny and the i's is AI generated, but the backing track is via real musicians? 

anyone confirm for sure that's 100% right?

[Peter99]

On 14/11/2024 at 07:04, Mike said:

Riker Records website here

https://www.rikerrecords.com/

 

youtube clip

 

 

I've listened to far worse than this.

Peter

[Geeselad]

The Lenny and the illustrators is obviously brilliant and I'm fascinated by the debate. It raise so many ethical questions, personally I'd sooner people pursue a naturally developing sound through dancefloor reception than trying to recreate a mythical golden age through technology. 

[Mike]

17 hours ago, Mike said:

 

 

 

just to keep things clear, from what I have read above,  the 'vocal' of Lenny and the i's is AI generated, but the backing track is via real musicians? 

anyone confirm for sure that's 100% right?

anyone confirm?

[Shinehead]

47 minutes ago, Mike said:

anyone confirm?

The story of these records is told by Alan Day on the Dean Anderson show dated 31st of October 2024 posted on Soul Source by Chalky, the last hour contains the segment and all the info.

[Mike]

1 hour ago, Shinehead said:

The story of these records is told by Alan Day on the Dean Anderson show dated 31st of October 2024 posted on Soul Source by Chalky, the last hour contains the segment and all the info.

for real?

too much for you to do a quick summary eh?

 

 

 

[Shinehead]

2 minutes ago, Mike said:

for real?

too much for you to do a quick summary eh?

 

 

 

Thought people might be interested enough to hear from the horses mouth.

For real.

[Mike]

6 minutes ago, Shinehead said:

Thought people might be interested enough to hear from the horses mouth.

For real.

nah

just after a quick summary on what is 'real' and what is not on this track 

as that could actually play a major part in the discussion!

expecting people to go off and dig out a segment  on a radio show elsewhere before commenting, ain't gonna do the discussion any good..

thanks for your help anyway

anyone else out there like to pass on a quick summary of what is 'real' and what is 'not' about this track

[Soul16]

My understanding is this.

Real session musicians were used to form the backbone of the music, the Northern/60’s feel and arrangements were created using AI wizardry. The lyrics were written by Colin, but all vocals were completely AI generated.

I think Colin’s honest big reveal well-ahead of any 45s being released for general sale was a wise decision. 

[Dylan]

56 minutes ago, Mike said:

nah

just after a quick summary on what is 'real' and what is not on this track 

as that could actually play a major part in the discussion!

expecting people to go off and dig out a segment  on a radio show elsewhere before commenting, ain't gonna do the discussion any good..

thanks for your help anyway

anyone else out there like to pass on a quick summary of what is 'real' and what is 'not' about this track

My contribution was based on what was said on the radio show.

 

real musicians, human written, AI vocals 

[Mike]

11 minutes ago, Soul16 said:

My understanding is this.

Real session musicians were used to form the backbone of the music, the Northern/60’s feel and arrangements were created using AI wizardry. The lyrics were written by Colin, but all vocals were completely AI generated.

I think Colin’s honest big reveal well-ahead of any 45s being released for general sale was a wise decision. 

 

11 minutes ago, Dylan said:

My contribution was based on what was said on the radio show.

 

real musicians, human written, AI vocals 

thanks, that should hopefully help any further discussion 

[Billy Jo Jim Bob]

Over the years many have produced “tailor made” efforts for the soul scene. So in this respect it’s no different. I think the difference here is that the tracks are actually good.  

There is also ‘neo soul’ releases by the dozen every week that seek to mimic the sound of the sixties and seventies, and fail more often than not in my view. 

AI is here and here to stay. At work they have provided us with AI tools to write emails and documents, should we wish to use them. AI is being integrated into our products and solutions. In short it’s here now and will only grow in the coming years and we need to understand that. Even this sites hosting platform will probably have AI engines embedded for ‘enhanced functionality and user experience’.

Just my thoughts.
 

 

[Mithras]

Built a fence today no AI help  ,listened to deans show at the time , I wont be bothering with this crap Riker Records ??? got to be joking whats  the conection there , you spend over 50 years  doing this and up comes another one, just like 74/75 -  stop press - AI at the Albert Hall

[Clee93]

Not my cup of tea but there is very little new stuff that I care for to be truthful 

[Shaafi P]

How long until venues start putting “NO AI” on the flyers…

Doesn’t do anything for me personally. It just doesn’t sound right. I can’t relate to it and I wouldn’t have a true connection to the song when I’m on the dancefloor if it’s a voice generated by an algorithm.

[Kev Cane]

There's still loads of untapped Og vinyl still out there, you don't need to be trying to find killa dancefloor stuff, it's a case of getting of our arses and looking, there's no need to resort to a Soul-less option, like I mentioned before, same as the "tailor made " stuff that came out on vinyl back in the day, does nowt for me 

Kev

[Shinehead]

53 minutes ago, Kev Cane said:

There's still loads of untapped Og vinyl still out there, you don't need to be trying to find killa dancefloor stuff, it's a case of getting of our arses and looking, there's no need to resort to a Soul-less option, like I mentioned before, same as the "tailor made " stuff that came out on vinyl back in the day, does nowt for me 

Kev

 Loads of people seem to be excepting it, strange thing about this stuff is everything has got a human element except the vocals how bizarre is that soul records without a soul singer  (how does that work ) which are not instrumental.

 

Edited Sunday at 15:20 by Shinehead

[Clee93]

7 hours ago, Kev Cane said:

There's still loads of untapped Og vinyl still out there, you don't need to be trying to find killa dancefloor stuff, it's a case of getting of our arses and looking, there's no need to resort to a Soul-less option, like I mentioned before, same as the "tailor made " stuff that came out on vinyl back in the day, does nowt for me 

Kev

I was speaking with one of the fellas involved with Crawdaddy outside the Blue Posts a few months ago and he said there'd been over 7 million + tracks (or something to the power of that) released & recorded between 1967 - 1977 so really were only still scratching the surface when you think about it, so stuff like this just rubs me up the wrong way and kind of defeats the object of one of the most interesting and integral parts of the history of the scene, which is finding records. To circumnavigate that process is lazy in a word and will obviously never hold a candle to authentic records from the periods they try to replicate, just another thing to scroll past in the algorithm.

Edited Sunday at 21:30 by Clee93