Mal C Posted Sunday at 15:51 Share Posted Sunday at 15:51 Hi everybody, There are two intros, as far as I can tell, to John and the Wierdest, one with a Piano lead in, the other, just short drum roll and in. What do folks know about these two different intros, is one a bootleg version, there was a good one (Bootleg) in the 9ts/early 2000's, which was dark brown to the light, or did it get originally realeased like this, was this a legit Radio edit? Scan below shows running time 2.04, don't have another scan to compare to this one.... Any ideas? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted Sunday at 17:27 Share Posted Sunday at 17:27 I understood the dark brown one was a 70's boot circa 1979? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted Sunday at 17:37 Share Posted Sunday at 17:37 brown vinyl boot first reared its head in the mid 90's, a few people got there fingers burnt at the time Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
davidwapples Posted Sunday at 18:42 Share Posted Sunday at 18:42 Wasn't there a date stamp added to the boot to try to add extra provenance? 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted Sunday at 19:20 Share Posted Sunday at 19:20 36 minutes ago, davidwapples said: Wasn't there a date stamp added to the boot to try to add extra provenance? Think that came out early 2000's and is easily to tell from the original, the other boot from the 90's is a lookey-likey copy and the only way to tell is to hold up to a bright light and the vinyl is translucent dark brown 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted Sunday at 19:22 Share Posted Sunday at 19:22 38 minutes ago, davidwapples said: Wasn't there a date stamp added to the boot to try to add extra provenance? correct, thin flimsy brown vinyl that you could see through if you held it to the light and really shiny label 2 minutes ago, Modularman said: Think that came out early 2000's and is easily to tell from the original, the other boot from the 90's is a lookey-likey copy and the only way to tell is to hold up to a bright light and the vinyl is translucent dark brown the boots from the 90's had a date stamp, the shiny label was a dead givaway too 1 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted Sunday at 19:29 Share Posted Sunday at 19:29 3 minutes ago, Trev Thomas said: correct, thin flimsy brown vinyl that you could see through if you held it to the light and really shiny label the boots from the 90's had a date stamp, the shiny label was a dead givaway too So is the brown vinyl counterfeit copy from the 70's? I have both. The lookey-likey counterfeit, brown vinyl, identical labels to the original. The date stamped copy is black vinyl. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted Sunday at 19:46 Author Share Posted Sunday at 19:46 So the 70's one (see through Brown Vinyl) has the full piano Intro. does anybody have an original with the short drum roll, then in, like this one in the below clip? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted Sunday at 19:49 Author Share Posted Sunday at 19:49 Here's the full piano intro... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted Sunday at 20:25 Share Posted Sunday at 20:25 37 minutes ago, Mal C said: So the 70's one (see through Brown Vinyl) has the full piano Intro. does anybody have an original with the short drum roll, then in, like this one in the below clip? Yes, very distinctive difference when compared. Never knew that Malc. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted Sunday at 20:58 Share Posted Sunday at 20:58 Never heard this without the piano intro starts too sudden like some kind of mistake ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted Sunday at 21:15 Share Posted Sunday at 21:15 1 hour ago, Mal C said: So the 70's one (see through Brown Vinyl) has the full piano Intro. does anybody have an original with the short drum roll, then in, like this one in the below clip? The label used on that video looks like the most recent bootleg with the date stamp removed. The text is much smaller than the original/brown vinyl counterfeit. Weird (est)! That's not to say the audio is from the label shown. I can't play mine to compare as The Enemy has covered my decks in sewing stuff while we're decorating Don't have deep enough pockets to own an original so no idea what intro that plays... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Solution Popular Post Tony Smith Posted Sunday at 21:40 Solution Popular Post Share Posted Sunday at 21:40 Certainly wasn't bootlegged in the 70's, if the boot is missing something probably because they didnt have real copy to copy from,my copy came from the only known hit on this record back in the mid 90's, 6-10 copies all unplayed from a San Francisco record shop 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted Sunday at 21:58 Author Share Posted Sunday at 21:58 18 minutes ago, Tony Smith said: Certainly wasn't bootlegged in the 70's, if the boot is missing something probably because they didnt have real copy to copy from,my copy came from the only known hit on this record back in the mid 90's, 6-10 copies all unplayed from a San Francisco record shop Yeah, having listened to them again, you could edit that intro at the drum roll quite easily... as I said, the see through Brown Vinyl one, the earliest boot of this does have the full piano intro. I did think that bootleg was either later 9ts maybe early 2000s as it was discussed on here at the time. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul16 Posted Sunday at 21:58 Share Posted Sunday at 21:58 My knowledge is limited, but the only time I came across this recording without the piano intro was on a Soul Supply CD a good few years ago. It may be that the audio on the YouTube video has come from this source. Also, ‘Weirdest’ was spelled as ‘Wierdest’ on the original and on the most recent boot. The earlier boot from the 90s (early 2000’s?) had the correct spelling. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted Sunday at 22:06 Author Share Posted Sunday at 22:06 7 minutes ago, Soul16 said: My knowledge is limited, but the only time I came across this recording without the piano intro was on a Soul Supply CD a good few years ago. It may be that the audio on the YouTube video has come from this source. Also, ‘Weirdest’ was spelled as ‘Wierdest’ on the original and on the most recent boot. The earlier boot from the 90s (early 2000’s?) had the correct spelling. Ahhh. we may never know for certain, but that sounds very plausible doesn’t it? booted form a CD. Do you know what the name of the CD was andy? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted Sunday at 22:08 Share Posted Sunday at 22:08 the non piano version is on the goldmine sevens reissue, a mastering cock up not a different version / take Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted Sunday at 22:09 Author Share Posted Sunday at 22:09 3 minutes ago, Trev Thomas said: the non piano version is on the goldmine sevens reissue, a mastering cock up not a different version / take so they cocked up and just started at the drum roll for the Sevens reissue.. It had to come from somewhere! I'm glad we have nearly got to the bottom of this, it's been bugging me for years! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul16 Posted Sunday at 22:12 Share Posted Sunday at 22:12 4 minutes ago, Mal C said: Ahhh. we may never know for certain, but that sounds very plausible doesn’t it? booted form a CD. Do you know what the name of the CD was andy? I can’t remember right now, but it was definitely dubbed from a 45. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Trev Thomas Posted Sunday at 22:13 Share Posted Sunday at 22:13 1 minute ago, Mal C said: so they just started the drum roll for the Sevens reissue.. It had to come from somewhere! no, on the original 45 it starts with piano intro then drum roll then the vocal kicks in, on the sevens reissue you get the back end of the drum roll then vocal, somebody pressed the record button too late 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted Sunday at 22:25 Share Posted Sunday at 22:25 17 minutes ago, Mal C said: Ahhh. we may never know for certain, but that sounds very plausible doesn’t it? booted form a CD. Do you know what the name of the CD was andy? Discogs shows it was featured on 4 CDs , all Goldmine jobs. https://www.discogs.com/artist/2085128-John-And-The-Weirdest?anv=John %26 The Weirdest&filter_anv=1 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul16 Posted Sunday at 22:29 Share Posted Sunday at 22:29 (edited) 8 hours ago, Woodbutcher said: Discogs shows it was featured on 4 CDs , all Goldmine jobs. https://www.discogs.com/artist/2085128-John-And-The-Weirdest?anv=John %26 The Weirdest&filter_anv=1 Yes, I heard it off GCSD 17. C’mon and Dance Too. Edited yesterday at 06:41 by Soul16 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted yesterday at 08:05 Share Posted yesterday at 08:05 14 hours ago, Trev Thomas said: brown vinyl boot first reared its head in the mid 90's, a few people got there fingers burnt at the time This was a bargain then https://www.popsike.com/John-And-The-Wierdest-Cant-Get-Over-These-Memories-Tie-2nd-68365-Soul-Northern/125026665991.html Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted yesterday at 08:06 Author Share Posted yesterday at 08:06 10 hours ago, Trev Thomas said: no, on the original 45 it starts with piano intro then drum roll then the vocal kicks in, on the sevens reissue you get the back end of the drum roll then vocal, somebody pressed the record button too late I know Trev, I like that "somebody pressed the record button too late" it smacks of those cock ups that make record collecting so interesting. Love the Soul Supply guys, their LP's were essential, but there have been a few instances where the wrong track was laid next to the wrong title, Soul Incorporated on Emblem (Yellow and shield design) for instance on the 'Untouchables' LP... maybe that’s for another thread. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted yesterday at 08:50 Author Share Posted yesterday at 08:50 10 hours ago, Woodbutcher said: Discogs shows it was featured on 4 CDs , all Goldmine jobs. https://www.discogs.com/artist/2085128-John-And-The-Weirdest?anv=John %26 The Weirdest&filter_anv=1 Wow, I remember walking into HMV in B'ham, and seeing multiple copies on display of 'The Northern Soul Story 7' I think they were all £8.99 back then... probably one of the best they did in that series... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted yesterday at 09:37 Share Posted yesterday at 09:37 15 hours ago, Trev Thomas said: brown vinyl boot first reared its head in the mid 90's, a few people got there fingers burnt at the time Before mid 90s mate, more like 90/91 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted yesterday at 09:46 Share Posted yesterday at 09:46 11 hours ago, Soul16 said: My knowledge is limited, but the only time I came across this recording without the piano intro was on a Soul Supply CD a good few years ago. It may be that the audio on the YouTube video has come from this source. Also, ‘Weirdest’ was spelled as ‘Wierdest’ on the original and on the most recent boot. The earlier boot from the 90s (early 2000’s?) had the correct spelling. No, they are all spelt incorrectly Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted yesterday at 10:49 Author Share Posted yesterday at 10:49 1 hour ago, Modularman said: No, they are all spelt incorrectly your right, they all get the 'i' and the 'e' the wrong way round... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul16 Posted yesterday at 11:22 Share Posted yesterday at 11:22 30 minutes ago, Mal C said: your right, they all get the 'i' and the 'e' the wrong way round... Maybe I'm mistaken, then. The image used on the Brico youtube upload from 2010 must have been digitally corrected. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted yesterday at 13:02 Share Posted yesterday at 13:02 The true original has the piano intro also I’m sure “weirdest” is spelt differently on the various versions? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modularman Posted yesterday at 17:43 Share Posted yesterday at 17:43 6 hours ago, Soul16 said: Maybe I'm mistaken, then. The image used on the Brico youtube upload from 2010 must have been digitally corrected. You're right, they've also removed the date stamp 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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