Edward Hamilton-The Natural Looks - My Darling Baby-Two cuts

[Mal C]

This is a brilliant record, but I did not realise there are two mixes of this track on Mary Jane label.

Maybe the Detroit aficionados out there can fill us in, but I was just listening to the auction JM has at the moment, on the Chequered (Full) label, and the one I have on which has white top / below label. I can see they are actually different release numbers, so why did this get two releases?

Malc

[Mithras]

1010 has strings prominent at start  and through the mix 1003 I have this copy no strings a  different take

bothe great I like 1003 best

 

[Solidsoul]

Bought my copy at Dave Withers Manchester indoor market stall, roundabout 1985. It was 30p. Also bought 4 copies of The Newsounds on Mod Art for 30p each, on the same day.

These records weren't in fashion at that time.

Edited October 4 by Solidsoul

[Tlscapital]

Total different takes. Rawer but 'HOT '. Even the flip side 'Tell Me' of Mary Jane 1003 is a different take than the one on the flip of 'Baby Don'tYou Weep' on Mary Jane 1005. My real preference was to discover that side while I initially bought it for the alternative take of 'My Darling Baby'. That to this day I still prefer 'polished' as on Mary Jane 1010.

[G F]

Edward Hamilton liked the one without strings - he talks about it after about 26 minutes on this interview I did...

 

 

[Tom Creeden]

I BELEIVE MARY JANE 1003 WAS RELEASED IN1966 AND MARY JANE 1010 WAS RELEASED IN 1968

[Tlscapital]

3 hours ago, Tom Creeden said:

I BELEIVE MARY JANE 1003 WAS RELEASED IN1966 AND MARY JANE 1010 WAS RELEASED IN 1968

As much as it sounds strange but all the Mary Jane releases would date from 1967 from general consensus. The two first sharing La Beat numberings 6703 and 6707 evidently. Then followed the proper Mary Jane catalog numbering system 1002 up to 1010. 

Mary Jane 1005 'Baby Don't You Weep' Copyright was registered in June 1967. Could be released later though. Until someone comes up with such a 'new release' press review or a radio chart featuring the tune to determine better it's actual date of release...

Edited October 4 by Tlscapital

[Source Team]

1 hour ago, Simon T said:

interesting

 

46 minutes ago, Simon T said:

interesting

interesting

not on

will drop shortly

[Robbk]

16 hours ago, Tlscapital said:

Total different takes. Rawer but 'HOT '. Even the flip side 'Tell Me' of Mary Jane 1003 is a different take than the one on the flip of 'Baby Don'tYou Weep' on Mary Jane 1005. My real preference was to discover that side while I initially bought it for the alternative take of 'My Darling Baby'. That to this day I still prefer 'polished' as on Mary Jane 1010.

14 hours ago, Tlscapital said:

As much as it sounds strange but all the Mary Jane releases would date from 1967 from general consensus. The two first sharing La Beat numberings 6703 and 6707 evidently. Then followed the proper Mary Jane catalog numbering system 1002 up to 1010. 

Mary Jane 1005 'Baby Don't You Weep' Copyright was registered in June 1967. Could be released later though. Until someone comes up with such a 'new release' press review or a radio chart featuring the tune to determine better it's actual date of release...

 

I think that Mary Jane 1010 was released later, in 1968, as an alternate takes re-issue.  But I think all the recordings were made in 1967.  I've always wondered why Edward's back-up group's name was changed to The Natural Looks.  I never heard of the latter as an appearing group, nor have I ever seen a venue poster of an appearance by them.  When Edward was asked about that name change he said it was his original Arabians group that recorded both versions.  So, I think that The Arabians, including Edward may have already been done dealing with Beatty when he re-issued the record.  But, I wonder why The Natural Looks were listed on the record.   I've forgotten about whether or not The Fifes were a later group, or just a re-naming of The Arabians by Beatty when leasing out The Arabians' tapes to other labels after Hamilton and his group had moved on.  I don't remember hearing or reading about Edward answering that question.

Maybe someone else here knows about why those other group names appear on later issues?

[The Yank]

   The Arabians were George Goodman, Clarence McClean, Charles Laird and Robert Tut. Sometime after the release of "(Please ) Take A Chance On Me", Edward left the group and was working with the New Falcons (Big Wheel) . None of the songs were ever released.

The Fifes were Lou Beatty Jr., Jerome Crawford and Frankie Simms. One of the group ended up in prison and the Fifes broke up after this.

In 1967, Edward reunited with the Arabians and released "I'm Gonna Love You Baby". Clarence McClean left the group soon after this. This may or may not be the reason for the name change to the New Looks.

All this info comes from the liner notes to the Grapevine CD "Lou Beatty's Detroit Soul".

And. it looks like "Baby Don't You Weep" was released in August of 1967, so 1968 seems like the correct year for "My Darling Baby.

Here'a a survey with "Baby..." clocking in at #40 - 

 

[Robbk]

1 hour ago, The Yank said:

   The Arabians were George Goodman, Clarence McClean, Charles Laird and Robert Tut. Sometime after the release of "(Please ) Take A Chance On Me", Edward left the group and was working with the New Falcons (Big Wheel) . None of the songs were ever released.

The Fifes were Lou Beatty Jr., Jerome Crawford and Frankie Simms. One of the group ended up in prison and the Fifes broke up after this.

In 1967, Edward reunited with the Arabians and released "I'm Gonna Love You Baby". Clarence McClean left the group soon after this. This may or may not be the reason for the name change to the New Looks.

All this info comes from the liner notes to the Grapevine CD "Lou Beatty's Detroit Soul".

And. it looks like "Baby Don't You Weep" was released in August of 1967, so 1968 seems like the correct year for "My Darling Baby.

Here'a a survey with "Baby..." clocking in at #40 - 

 

Thanks, Yank.

So, it seems that Edward came back to Beatty's operation in 1968.  I guess there had been no hard feelings involved in his leaving.  

[Wilxy]

Great Track.....Irrespective

[The Yank]

I wanted to add that "My Darling Baby" was released another time with this as its flip side. I believe they meant to use #1011 instead of 1111 for the release number -

 

[Robbk]

1 hour ago, The Yank said:

I wanted to add that "My Darling Baby" was released another time with this as its flip side. I believe they meant to use #1011 instead of 1111 for the release number -

 

Yes!  They definitely meant for it to be 1011.  There were so many printer errors and transcribing errors made back in those days.  Record companies were in such a hurry to get records out as quickly as possible, they often told printers and pressing plant operators to not bother them with providing a "last look" at ready-to-go printing plates, before printing.  We had about 4-5 printing errors at Airwave Records, and I tried to be careful with that.