busy/not busy dancefloors?

[Phil J]

I wrote a poem about a decade ago taking the **** out of Wedding D.J.'s who don't check out the dancefloor to see what's happening and kind of make the wrong choices which invariably empties the floor. I got to thinking, "Actually, this poem applies to some Northern Soul D.J.'s too".  How many times do we see a busy, buzzing dancefloor (50+ punters) only for the next D.J. to display a special set of skills in emptying the floor due to a ridiculous change in temp, change in style or simply that he wants to indulge his own (niche) tastes. We then see maybe two dancers for his slot and isn't dance supposed to be the main activity on the scene? Niche stuff is fine - obviously -  at a rare/underplayed night but surely not at a mainstream N.S. event? What do people think?

[Woodbutcher]

He's probably just played twenty tunes that ain't in the "Top 500" that the "mainstream" crowd have never heard.

Don't forget the important point that everyone misses , the norvern soul' scene died and disappeared in 1981 with the close of some bingo hall oop north and remained lost until some enterprising yoof in Bristol resuscitated it and restarted the whole thing some 40-odd years later.

Edited yesterday at 07:03 by Woodbutcher

[Soul16]

2 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said:

He's probably just played twenty tunes that ain't in the "Top 500" that the "mainstream" crowd have never heard.

Don't forget the important point that everyone misses , the norvern soul' scene died and disappeared in 1981 with the close of some bingo hall oop north and remained lost until some enterprising yoof in Bristol resuscitated it and restarted the whole thing some 40-odd years later.

 

[Phil J]

In addition to this debate, can’t understand how DJ’s don’t actually notice that they’ve emptied the floor!! Poor eyesight? I’d say (and it’s not a scientifically proven claim) that 90% of punters - particularly if you’ve been to work etc - just want to shake a leg/have a boogie of a Fri/Sat night and remember what it was like back in the 70’s! Perhaps those wanting to educate us with these fabulous (?) new discoveries could do it in the comfort of their homes OR get it out of their systems for the FIRST hour of an event (while ppl still arriving, greeting old mates, getting drinks in etc) or play them during the LAST hour when we’ve run out of steam and can no longer dance. Stop emptying a busy dance floor! (Unless you enjoy ruining punters’ nights out!) 

[Woodbutcher]

I rest my case ... 

Time for you to join the ranks of the NSVHPA and start your own fantastic Derby and Joan night.

 

 

(Northern Soul Village Hall Promoters Association)

[Dr Ray Dj]

I think it's a balance, danceable tunes people know and know how to dance good too plus less well known tunes. As well as dancing one of the valuable things from nights is coming away with an unknown but incredibly catch tune in your head and thinking I must find out what that is. My main thing is that dancing is less well documented that the music and I think there's a risk of losing this crucial part of the scene to history.

[Phil J]

I think atmosphere crucial to the scene being sustainable and empty dance floors just lead to apathy and a feeling of ‘won’t be coming here again’ IMO I think rare/underplsyed/underground stuff should have their unique separate nights or a designated spot during a mainstream night but no more than that - as you say balance is a key issue but when you’ve had an empty dance floor for an hour because some guy has decided that 60’s R + B needs to be shared then everyone is onto a loser. It takes all types I suppose but I’ll say it again - without the dancing there wouldn’t  be a scene and that is what pulls 90% of punters in. As for the rare stuff, I know a group of DJ’s past & present who meet once a month in a pub (midweek) to spin rare sounds, now that’s what you call an excellent compromise  

[Dr Ray Dj]

10 minutes ago, Phil J said:

I think atmosphere crucial to the scene being sustainable and empty dance floors just lead to apathy and a feeling of ‘won’t be coming here again’ IMO I think rare/underplsyed/underground stuff should have their unique separate nights or a designated spot during a mainstream night but no more than that - as you say balance is a key issue but when you’ve had an empty dance floor for an hour because some guy has decided that 60’s R + B needs to be shared then everyone is onto a loser. It takes all types I suppose but I’ll say it again - without the dancing there wouldn’t  be a scene and that is what pulls 90% of punters in. As for the rare stuff, I know a group of DJ’s past & present who meet once a month in a pub (midweek) to spin rare sounds, now that’s what you call an excellent compromise  

Another problem is the lack of younger dancers and how we get a good mix of old and young to keep a/the scene going even if it evolves into something different/new

[Mike]

2 hours ago, Phil J said:

In addition to this debate, can’t understand how DJ’s don’t actually notice that they’ve emptied the floor!! Poor eyesight? I’d say (and it’s not a scientifically proven claim) that 90% of punters - particularly if you’ve been to work etc - just want to shake a leg/have a boogie of a Fri/Sat night and remember what it was like back in the 70’s! Perhaps those wanting to educate us with these fabulous (?) new discoveries could do it in the comfort of their homes OR get it out of their systems for the FIRST hour of an event (while ppl still arriving, greeting old mates, getting drinks in etc) or play them during the LAST hour when we’ve run out of steam and can no longer dance. Stop emptying a busy dance floor! (Unless you enjoy ruining punters’ nights out!) 

just what we need in 2024, a new member telling us all how to do things

if you and any one else wants to "shake a leg/have a boogie of a Fri/Sat night and remember what it was like back in the 70’s!"

then simply find a event that does that, there's many about, no real need to sign up here and then proceed to tell us all where you think everyone is going wrong

 

and what's all this about writing wedding dj poems? are/were you one?

 

[Phil J]

On 19/09/2024 at 09:28, Woodbutcher said:

I rest my case ... 

Time for you to join the ranks of the NSVHPA and start your own fantastic Derby and Joan night.

 

 

(Northern Soul Village Hall Promoters Association)

Nowt wrong with a bit of Derby & Joan, bingo, cabaret act, sandwiches, affordable drinks - come on, what’s not to like! I first went to Wigan Casino Nov. 1974 age 15 so have been ‘round the block’ a few times (Mecca, Ritz, Keele etc) My theory is based on 50 years of observations that to keep the scene flourishing you have to keep the punters dancing and weird choices from the DJ = empty dance floors = bored punters = “we ain’t coming here again” UNLESS it’s a designated rare night (such as the one in Congleton Cheshire or the 6T’s nights at the 100 Club London) where ppl know exactly what they’re getting? I think a FEW rare tracks at a mainstream night is fine but dunna go giving us 90 minutes of that stuff cuz our arses will be numb from sitting looking at an empty floor. Perhaps certain DJ’s could have an eye test at specsavers the day before so they can actually spot what an empty dance floor looks like although obviously most DJ’s are supremely skilled at keeping dancers happy. It’s like the Oasis gigs next year (I’m not going before you ask!) 90% of fans will be going for wonderwall, live forever, champagne supernova etc etc whereas 10% officianado’s will appreciate a few of the lesser known (obscure?) song and it would be the same in any music genre. I think I’ve clarified and crystallised my main points now, if you still can’t understand then it’s fine.