Gaz T Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 I have collected boogaloo records since I first heard soul drummers and Joe bataan gypsey woman when I was 16 Why are there only a couple of popular tracks like Hector Rivera and Bobby Valentin , Tony Middleton etc that have sort of broke All the boogaloos are on the lps it was a lp scene not a 45 rpm scene Just a point of view 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 19 Author Share Posted July 19 Any boogaloo fans still going ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 So I am wondering why the soul scene sort of has a handful of boogaloo acceptable big sounds but seems to ignore the genre as a whole just wondering Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Seems to me that since the mid 80’s the northern soul scene as embraced many different styles/genres,but as you point out, just a very small amount of choice cuts! Personally I like the boogaloo Latin stuff,but it’s instrumental based,so that’s maybe why only a few have cut through? 2 or 3 instrumentals in a night is more than enough! I suppose when you percentage the records at any given niter between northern…xover…modern…r&b….boogaloo/latin….garage…then it will look split pretty evenly,with northern been the dominant base? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 I just find it odd that it’s a small selection of boogaloo things that have gained popularity hector rivera chance for romance bobby Valentin use it before you loose it harvey averne never learned to dance manny corchado pow wow Tony Middleton Spanish maiden yes there are others that may get a play now and then, Subway Joe, Hey Sister, heads head , already satisfied, true love etc the genre has so many good soulful tunes, yes often on long players but it’s interesting to me why only a handful of boogaloo tunes sort of made it massive on the soul scene and then that’s the end of it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tlscapital Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 17 hours ago, Gaz T said: I have collected boogaloo records since I first heard soul drummers and Joe bataan gypsey woman when I was 16 Why are there only a couple of popular tracks like Hector Rivera and Bobby Valentin , Tony Middleton etc that have sort of broke All the boogaloos are on the lps it was a lp scene not a 45 rpm scene Just a point of view IMO Soul Drummer is a good tune, Gypsy Woman is really good and so is Special Girl. All hailing from one of the best at it from the Fania gang. But as far as 'soul' only Spanish Maiden comes as a proper cross-over fit of the two genres. There are plenty others worthy tunes if you're into that that are worth a mention. But gracefully that have not been played at NS nighters. For the 'Latin Soul', 'boogaloo' and other of the likes are really nothing I fancy to hear out. And surely nothing I expect to hear at a NS night. I suppose like many others punters. Just like any other sounds I love or dig that I acknowledge when I attend such events expectedly but not at a NS night. Because it's not that. Not a 7" "scene" ? Well there's no 'rare' latin soul 'scene' going on as such with dee-jays plenty about competiting. But judging by the numbers of 45's issued at the time I don't think it's right to claim that it was focused on LP's. Only the fans of the genre need those highly rated LP's for they have plenty of LP only winner tunes and the broad 7" production back then was not that infinite and diverse like the soul was in comparison. With few only LP artists too. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 When I reference lp scene I am talking about the output in the 60s so the Latin scene in the 60s seems to me was lp driven most Latin musicians would include on their lps many different Latin styles including usually a boogaloo or two I think mostly boogaloo 7 inches were aimed for promotion at the time as nine times out of ten you will always find the lp has the single on it I agree the soul scene is the soul scene, not the boogaloo scene I just find it interesting that the soul scene sort of accepted a number of things massively but didn’t expand on the genre but as you say, it’s the soul scene , not the boogaloo scene Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 Another interesting thing is the boogaloo 45s that are popular on the northern soul scene now were mostly first played and became popular over the late 80s and 90s aside from pow wow which became popular early 2000s just an observation interesting as to why this would be? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Roburt Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Not talking bout the influence of latin sounds on the NS scene but on the UK soul scene in general ... BUT many latin sounds got little or no attention from UK record companies, so the genre was always gonna struggle to get more widespread acceptance. As a indicator of what I mean I go with Jo Cuba. He had a UK 45 release (with BANG BANG) in Dec 66 (Pye Int). While he had no more UK releases right thru to the mid 70's, he had around 17 more US 45's out on the same label as "Bang Bang" (& therefore all probably available for UK licensing by Pye). If your definition of Latin just means the Boogaloo stuff, then even the soul singers who made boogaloo records in the mid 60's, soon moved onto other stuff ... see what Jerry O was pushing as the main sounds in his live act by 1970 ... James Brown & Stax covers .... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tlscapital Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 4 minutes ago, Gaz T said: When I reference lp scene I am talking about the output in the 60s so the Latin scene in the 60s seems to me was lp driven most Latin musicians would include on their lps many different Latin styles including usually a boogaloo or two I think mostly boogaloo 7 inches were aimed for promotion at the time as nine times out of ten you will always find the lp has the single on it Well all along my crate digger younger years I've seen plenty of these used 45's in worn out condition about. Yes all the Mediterranean other sub-genres like Cumbia, Merengue, Hi-Life and so on were also often featured on these LP's. Attesting of the migrant nature of these sub-cultures from ex-colons and slaves mixing their sounds all along. These there were the popular sounds of those ethnic Miami to New-York neighborhoods that had due to their Hispanic language less radio airplay there than that of the R'n'B classified genre and the LP's were the 'continuous' household playback muzak dishing out the not always so necessary 'Club' sounds aiming to please one and all. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 37 minutes ago, Roburt said: Not talking bout the influence of latin sounds on the NS scene but on the UK soul scene in general ... BUT many latin sounds got little or no attention from UK record companies, so the genre was always gonna struggle to get more widespread acceptance. As a indicator of what I mean I go with Jo Cuba. He had a UK 45 release (with BANG BANG) in Dec 66 (Pye Int). While he had no more UK releases right thru to the mid 70's, he had around 17 more US 45's out on the same label as "Bang Bang" (& therefore all probably available for UK licensing by Pye). If your definition of Latin just means the Boogaloo stuff, then even the soul singers who made boogaloo records in the mid 60's, soon moved onto other stuff ... see what Jerry O was pushing as the main sounds in his live act by 1970 ... James Brown & Stax covers .... Yes boogaloo had a really short lifespan in the USA didn’t it , probably no more than 3 years from Joe cubas bang bang million seller? then things moved on to salsa Latin seemed to have zero influence in the uk at the time I have all the uk fania los George Guzman introducing Joe bataan riot Ralph Robles taking over ray barretto acid I have a uk mercury release of Louie Ramirez taste of Spanish Harlem which I stumbled on, I didn’t even know it was released in the uk so Pete terrace on pye and hector rivera on polydor ray baretto x2 on Columbia and one on London A couple of releases by Mongo Santamaria on direction and cbs the Joe Cuba on pye as you mentioned I can’t think of any other Latin uk releases That’s a small footprint of uk releases inst it 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 Classic track that got a reissue Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 This is really rare on the original 45 But turns up more often via the original lp soulful and funky should be played 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 Another super soulful thing that is really rare on 45 the original lp is also a difficult thing to find but this 45 is included on it Just a great soulful boogaloo needs playing Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 great soulful boogaloo dancer Sounds amazing really loud but as outlined , it’s a soul scene not a boogaloo scene Use it before you loose it 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 Great boogaloo madness on a soul classic really hard to get on a 45 Released on the live it up lp but 2 releases if this lp One on musicor which has this single version on it and one on atol which has a different version with no vocals on it definitely a great dancer that has been forgotten since the 80s mod times Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 (edited) Gaz you must know the tune where the female vocalist repeat cascara ? can’t remember much else but it’s an upbeat dancer.. Edited July 20 by Dylan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 4 minutes ago, Dylan said: Gaz you must know the tune where the female vocalist repeat cascara ? can’t remember much else but it’s an upbeat dancer.. Is this the tune you meant? ,probably a bit to funky and Latin for most on this site the lp as far as I can see was Harvey Avernes last lp Really good lp Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 7 minutes ago, Gaz T said: Is this the tune you meant? ,probably a bit to funky and Latin for most on this site the lp as far as I can see was Harvey Avernes last lp Really good lp It’s not this one. I’ll dig through my CD’s tomorrow to find it and post it up. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 20 Author Share Posted July 20 Another nice track off that lp which is soulful i bought my copy from Craig Moerer probably 20 years ago it’s a great lp , one of those lps you can play right through both sides without picking up the stylus 3 minutes ago, Dylan said: It’s not this one. I’ll dig through my CD’s tomorrow to find it and post it up. Look forward Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 This is what I was thinking of Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Happy Feet Posted July 20 Share Posted July 20 On 19/07/2024 at 23:11, Gaz T said: I have collected boogaloo records since I first heard soul drummers and Joe bataan gypsey woman when I was 16 Why are there only a couple of popular tracks like Hector Rivera and Bobby Valentin , Tony Middleton etc that have sort of broke All the boogaloos are on the lps it was a lp scene not a 45 rpm scene Just a point of view Probably because only a limited few can be squeezed into the Northern Soul bracket, lots of great dance tunes but maybe require another genre to show their true potential , maybe Popcorn or just Latino who knows , it could be the next big thing on Strictly Come Dancing at the Blackpool Tower , every other type of soul music has been squeezed in somehow Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 There was a great thread in 2012 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gaz T Posted July 21 Author Share Posted July 21 2 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: There was a great thread in 2012 Thanks for that so there are still lots of people that enjoy the genre Still a rich vein to be tapped into regarding djs spins I feel. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dimples Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Joe Bataan - What good is a castle (Pt. 2) - Fania Pretty cool and soulful sound. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Wiggyflat Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) I used to buy the lps for the Descargas...latin soul lps from the sixties seemed to be a mix trying to appeal to different audiences. You got heavy freeform descargas,ballads and boogaloos keeping everyone happy. The latin Soul 45s with english vocals were spanked on the Mod scene in the eighties (around 86/87 (Spanish Maiden/Do It To Me/Subway Joe/Right On/Soul Drummers/Mercy Mercy Baby/El Pito/Good Lovin Gilberto Sextet/Hard Hands/Love Beads/El Watusi/ At The Party/We Got Latin Soul/Cloud 9 all got spins. They were mostly very cheap. On the jazz scene it was all about lps and the Northern scene only really broke a few selected tracks .Ray Barretto got some exposure in Blues and Soul in the early seventies around the time of the Acid 45 and the lp. There was also a scene in some areas that played this stuff which led to the We Got Latin Soul comps. I remember a dj called Dave Hucker who was playing the latin soul stuff in the eighties. Edited July 25 by Wiggyflat 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ez Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 difficult to find tracks to track down after you have all the affordable ones how bout this Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geeselad Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 On 20/07/2024 at 16:59, Gaz T said: I just find it odd that it’s a small selection of boogaloo things that have gained popularity hector rivera chance for romance bobby Valentin use it before you loose it harvey averne never learned to dance manny corchado pow wow Tony Middleton Spanish maiden yes there are others that may get a play now and then, Subway Joe, Hey Sister, heads head , already satisfied, true love etc the genre has so many good soulful tunes, yes often on long players but it’s interesting to me why only a handful of boogaloo tunes sort of made it massive on the soul scene and then that’s the end of it I'd say the Harvey averne isn't boogaloo, it's more of a soul/ funk record with obvious Latin influence. But it obviously needs inclusion it has been massive Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Geeselad Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) I know Cal T Jader- soul source was played at the torch, or golden torch, perhaps? I suspect some were played in the early days of the wheel and London mod clubs like tiles, the scene ect can anyone confirm? You also have Latin influenced records from the 70' Al foster band, silvetti, Jobelle ect. There's a heritage that goes beyond the mods playing tracks in London in the mid 80's you also need to consider great vocal tracks like Tommy Navarro, David Coleman, and Tony Galla, all played at Stafford I believe. Edited July 30 by Geeselad Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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