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I've only ever really dabbled in collecting 70s - which we slightly ludicrously continue to call 'modern' - but recently acquired a collection of some 1000 records, 80% of which was 70s and 80s.

A lot of it I did actually know, some I didn't, but it got me thinking, specifically: what are the (say) top 100 modern sounds played on the northern scene?

I'm looking for a new target on which to turn my collecting passion, and that's as good as any!

 

AS SUGGESTED LOWER DOWN, IT WOULD BE GOOD JUST TO GET ARTISTS AND TITLES (THOUGH CHAT ABOUT WHERE FIRST PLAYED AND BY WHOM IS ALWAYS OF INTEREST)

 

 

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3 minutes ago, The Tempest said:

God god man ! We could be hear all year ! If you’re looking for the timeless classics then I’ll start the ball rolling ……

 

We've got all year!

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Good topic but maybe best to ask just for listings of titles and artists, and not get bogged down with youtube sound clips!

 

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5 minutes ago, Solidsoul said:

Good topic but maybe best to ask just for listings of titles and artists, and not get bogged down with youtube sound clips!

 

good idea yep

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A good way to check is to visit the Facebook group >> MODERN SOUL VINYL .... but just like at NS events; records / tracks (they don't HAVE to be available on vinyl to get MS scene plays) come into & go out of favour. So a biggie at Snaith in the 70's or one that was massive @ Thorne in the 80's, may have slipped into near oblivion now.

... but be warned, items get posted on the MSV site that were released from 1970 right up to present day releases.

In the meantime, here's a decent one to be going on with ... there are also other versions from the likes of the Staples, Kenny Thomas, etc ... 

 

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1 hour ago, Roburt said:

A good way to check is to visit the Facebook group >> MODERN SOUL VINYL .... but just like at NS events; records / tracks (they don't HAVE to be available on vinyl to get MS scene plays) come into & go out of favour. So a biggie at Snaith in the 70's or one that was massive @ Thorne in the 80's, may have slipped into near oblivion now.

... but be warned, items get posted on the MSV site that were released from 1970 right up to present day releases.

In the meantime, here's a decent one to be going on with ... there are also other versions from the likes of the Staples, Kenny Thomas, etc ... 

 

Yep, I'm a member there - but I'm specifically interested in stuff played (a lot) at northern nighters.

Don't get me wrong - I have quite a lot of the big sounds after 40 years collecting, and I know a lot of those I don't have, I'm just way better on 60s.

I'm interested in a proper idea of the biggest dance floor fillers across the eras, though I'd like to know what's particularly rare too.

 

 

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"If You Can't Tell Me Something Good about My Baby" - The Mark 1V 

All Of A Sudden - Melvin Moore

I'm Lost Without Your Love - Bee Vee & Honey Bee

I Call You Every Morning - Fantasy

Thinking About You - The Answers

I'm Loving You - Cloudburst

I'll Let You Slide - Saints

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1 hour ago, Steviehay said:

£3000+ RECORD 

And that's what makes it a proper old school 'big' niter sound in my book , rare as the proverbial and a tune you have to travel to hear played out ... :shades: 

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14 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said:

And that's what makes it a proper old school 'big' niter sound in my book , rare as the proverbial and a tune you have to travel to hear played out ... :shades: 

YOU AND ME BOTH

 

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I know the Montclairs is 69, but always thought of as a modern sound. 
A few more killers I’ll never own..

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Essex iv “my heart just can’t take it”

natural impulse “she went away”

Seville “show me the way”

 

personal faves along with flowers already mentioned.  There other is also worth a mention.

 

never really liked modern when I first got into soul and northern but listen to it a lot now.

 

 

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Wow! You got some user name there.....................

Do you have a first name that you're willing to share; I'm Peter, the "99" tag has probably been almost a twenty year SS member user name tag. I think Mike thought I looked like a tea bag. Mm' funny that.

Anyway, I digress. It might be really helpful if you look through the recent "most expensive/rare modern soul" thread. I'll try and find it for you Para bloke. 😜

Yours

Tea Bag Pete

Sorry pal I can't find it, but; Mike or one of the mods, will I'm sure find it. 

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You should really do a top 500 on this, but here are some Biggies that you all know 🙂 I expect allot of these are Mecca and Morcombe Pier spins, so folks like Shaun Gibbons, Carl Fortnum etc etc

Curtis Anderson - The Hardest Part - Not first but Keb was spinning this 2003/4

Klas - Let’s Make Love Tonight

LaRom Baker - You're the Best - Arthur Fenn

Millie Jackson - You Can't Stand The Thought Of Another Man Loving Me - LP originally, but picked up by the 100 club crew for sure in the 9ts..

Pages - Heartaches & Pain

Betty Wright - Open The Door To Your Heart - Played by Sam

Judy Freeman & Blackrock - Hold On - Richard Searling, I think

Masterpiece - Love Affair

Mighty Pope - If You Want A Love Affair - Butch

Charles Johnson - Never Had A Love So Good - loads played this, but I rememeber Richard Searlings name being attached to it.

Bobby Sheen - Something New To Do - Dave Thorley

Lifestyle - Katrina

Tony Troutman - Whats the Use

Tony Drake - Suddenly

24 Karat Gold - What Does The Future Hold

Lee McDonald - I'll do Anything For You

Stevens & Foster - I Want To Be Love

Mixed Emotions - Gold of My Life

Eric Lomax - Seven the Loser

The Oggletree Brothers - Gonna Keep a check on yo

Natural High - You Make Me So Very Happy

Odessey - Battened Ships

Jan Jones - Independent Woman - discovered/played by Ian Clark

Four Below Zero - My Baby's Got E.S.P

Fantastic Johnny C - Dont Depend on Me

Norma Jean - I've Taken Over

The Ad Libs - I Dont Need No Fortuneteller

and these are all bubbling under tunes... the list goes on...

Ecstasy, Passion and Pain - Ask Me

Joshie Jo Armstead - I Got The Vibes

The Modulations - Your Love has me Locked up

Greg Perry - Come on Down

Nolan Porter - Ohh Baby

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One that was released in 1970 , but you'd never believe it and sounds like an old soul classic ,

Lou Pride , I'm Com'un Home In The Morn'un, Suemi , 1st played 74ish , can it be considered in the top 500 modern soul list ? 

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2 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

Now, Lou Pride's, I'm Com'un.........................

I know I'll get lynched for this, but; there's a record I just don't like. 

Modern, mm, I think we're veering off course?

Tin Hat

Peter

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Not at all Peter everyone's entitled to their opinion, it was just a teaser ,,, like The Montclair's, Hey you , personally prefer " Hung Up On Your Love " have them both and one was played on its release , and sold in bucket fulls and definitely should be in a Top 500 modern list .

Glad to see you up & running by the way , stay strong mate 

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24 minutes ago, Happy Feet said:

Not at all Peter everyone's entitled to their opinion, it was just a teaser ,,, like The Montclair's, Hey you , personally prefer " Hung Up On Your Love " have them both and one was played on its release , and sold in bucket fulls and definitely should be in a Top 500 modern list .

Glad to see you up & running by the way , stay strong mate 

Of course my friend; we all have different tastes and opinions. It could be an interesting thread with all sorts of ideas and records being posted.

Thank you very much for your kind words, I appreciate your sentiments, thank you. Just to reciprocate, I hope all is well with you and yours.

Peter

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Had my reservations when I read the opening post. Expected to see the same 3/4 figure tunes listed "as usual". But @Mal C listed a nice varied list that gives a good impression of what "modern" tunes are played these days in the UK. And many cheaper tunes among them. And it includes a few surprises as well like Ogletree Bros. Seems like it finally got the plays it deserves.

Ah well, biggest modern nighter sounds. How about Jackson Sister - I believe in miracles? Even though it's been played as a new release it seems to be as popular as ever.

 

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1 hour ago, Peter99 said:

Now, Lou Pride's, I'm Com'un.........................

I know I'll get lynched for this, but; there's a record I just don't like. 

Modern, mm, I think we're veering off course?

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Peter

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Agree 100%, Peter

'Love Dont Come No Stronger' does it for me though for modern, but its each to their own.

And 'My Baby's Got ESP' - I dunno why, but single always sounds better than the 12" to me. Not from a clarity / hi-fidelity perspective, but just the atmosphere of it.

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56 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

Of course my friend; we all have different tastes and opinions. It could be an interesting thread with all sorts of ideas and records being posted.

Thank you very much for your kind words, I appreciate your sentiments, thank you. Just to reciprocate, I hope all is well with you and yours.

Peter

Thanks Peter I'm doing fine , 67 got over the worse ,back at work loving life etc , What about the Instrumental version , definitely a modern take lol .

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Trying to keep an open mind, this thread has got me really confused. I always thought Modern Soul emanated from the 1980’s and amounted to rare disco inspired tunes with a high soul quotient and danceable quality. Some of the tunes mentioned above were termed ‘Newies’ back in the 70’s, recently produced records that followed on nicely from the classic years 1966-69; nowadays, they are lumped under the broad heading of ‘Crossover’, still largely made up of traditional instruments but with a bit of electronic music creeping in.

I recall going to a 100 Club Modern Allnighter 25-30 years ago. The sounds were totally unfamiliar and not enjoyable so I left after a few hours of suffering. There were no tunes like the Montclairs, Lou Pride, Carstairs etc. Ady C seemed to stage only one of these damp squib affairs and apologetically said the event was put on as followers had no other venues to go to.

So perhaps someone could define Modern Soul for us. Is it mainly electronic dance music from the 80’s onwards or what? Does it overlap with House Music? Apologies for sounding such a klutz on the topic but I need enlightening.

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As someone who got into northern in the early 80s, 'modern' to me is 70s soul and later - so Skip Mahoney, Flame N King, Nicky Newarkers etc - because that's what we called it then.

Obv this is a dated view which is why I put it in inverted commas - records made 50 years ago can't be modern except by way of distinction from stuff made even further back, and the term itself is of its time.

My post should perhaps have asked for any non 60s biggies, which arguably means 1970 to today.

But as I say I'm a creature of my times.

BTW thanks to all for suggestions so far!

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6 minutes ago, Frankie Crocker said:

Trying to keep an open mind, this thread has got me really confused. I always thought Modern Soul emanated from the 1980’s and amounted to rare disco inspired tunes with a high soul quotient and danceable quality. Some of the tunes mentioned above were termed ‘Newies’ back in the 70’s, recently produced records that followed on nicely from the classic years 1966-69; nowadays, they are lumped under the broad heading of ‘Crossover’, still largely made up of traditional instruments but with a bit of electronic music creeping in.

I recall going to a 100 Club Modern Allnighter 25-30 years ago. The sounds were totally unfamiliar and not enjoyable so I left after a few hours of suffering. There were no tunes like the Montclairs, Lou Pride, Carstairs etc. Ady C seemed to stage only one of these damp squib affairs and apologetically said the event was put on as followers had no other venues to go to.

So perhaps someone could define Modern Soul for us. Is it mainly electronic dance music from the 80’s onwards or what? Does it overlap with House Music? Apologies for sounding such a klutz on the topic but I need enlightening.

I think your searching for a definition that's impossible for anyone to define. If it's not 60's and post 1970 northern then someone will define it as modern, somewhere, it's a looser term than the nuts in Dave envision's record trolly. 🤣

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'Newies' to me is a term we used to use to describe non 60s oldies in the 80s ie the stuff Guy, Keb, Butch and others were digging out with help from Tim Ashibende and the likes.

Like so much in northern it's all subjective - I could probably come up with five different definitions of northern soul itself!

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44 minutes ago, Paraboliccurve said:

'Newies' to me is a term we used to use to describe non 60s oldies in the 80s ie the stuff Guy, Keb, Butch and others were digging out with help from Tim Ashibende and the likes.

Like so much in northern it's all subjective - I could probably come up with five different definitions of northern soul itself!

If you look at flyers etc for late Wigan early 80s, newies was used before it became modern.  As you say it was later used to describe the 6ts in the mid 80s

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A few I’ve heard recently in modern rooms that have ticked the box -

The Manhattans - Blackbird

Soul Scratch - Telephone

Essex IV - My heart just can’t take it

Thee Sacred Souls - Running away

Harvey Averne - Central Park

 

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Some records played at the back end of the casino, into the early days of the term Modern Soul at Niters, like Morecambe Pier, Clifton Hall etc 

Mike Jemison "you'll never get my love" (men in the moon c/u)

Marvell Love "don't break that rule"

Detroit Sounds Of Friction "I'm leaving"

The Differences "five minutes"

More recent years

Joseph Webster "my love is so strong"

Mixed Feelings "sha la la" 

Salt n Peppa "a man of my word"

As stated loads to go at, depending on your viewpoint!!!

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40 minutes ago, Micksmix said:

Some records played at the back end of the casino, into the early days of the term Modern Soul at Niters, like Morecambe Pier, Clifton Hall etc 

Mike Jemison "you'll never get my love" (men in the moon c/u)

Marvell Love "don't break that rule"

Detroit Sounds Of Friction "I'm leaving"

The Differences "five minutes"

More recent years

Joseph Webster "my love is so strong"

Mixed Feelings "sha la la" 

Salt n Peppa "a man of my word"

As stated loads to go at, depending on your viewpoint!!!

I get confused with xover and modern,would salt & pepper come under xover? The others modern? 

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3 minutes ago, Dobber said:

I get confused with xover and modern,would salt & pepper come under xover? The others modern? 

The sub genres can muddy the picture, as stated at the end of my post, all depends on your viewpoint?

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I divide my records into Northern (6ts) and Modern & Crossover (Basically everything else)...

I mean 'Channel 3 - Sweetest Thing' the ultimate record that covers both genres right, too Modern for a 6ts only bod, but an oldie 7ts track for any folks that listen to anything past 81 say, when the sound changed again...

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Can I add a record I've got back into in a BIG way this week?  thanks to Tony Turner for putting it on an MP3 swap, what a killer record this is... absolute class... and LP only...
Ronnie Dyson - I Want To Be Where You Are / Columbia, he also pipped this over, Lifestyle - Trying To Make It Up To You, again LP only...

THIS IS WHAT WE WANT!!

 

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I've run out of likes, so, I concur with Chalky and Mal C.

Some nice tunes added by fellow SS members.

Just to repeat myself, the awful Lou Pride thing, is neither modern, crossover, or a newie. 

It will be interesting to see where we go with this one......................

Yours

Cloth eared Peter

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16 hours ago, Mal C said:

Lou Pride  a northern record 100%, I would never consider it any way a modern record, brilliant though it is…

 

I only mentioned it as a teaser, due to its date of release and according to comments made over the years " Funky edged banger with a tinge of Jazz " not just a Northern Classic sorry 😐 

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20 hours ago, Mal C said:

Can I add a record I've got back into in a BIG way this week?  thanks to Tony Turner for putting it on an MP3 swap, what a killer record this is... absolute class... and LP only...
Ronnie Dyson - I Want To Be Where You Are / Columbia, he also pipped this over, Lifestyle - Trying To Make It Up To You, again LP only...

THIS IS WHAT WE WANT!!

 

Lifestyles album is brilliant from start to finish horace ott putting his stamp down !!

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21 hours ago, Mal C said:

Can I add a record I've got back into in a BIG way this week?  thanks to Tony Turner for putting it on an MP3 swap, what a killer record this is... absolute class... and LP only...
Ronnie Dyson - I Want To Be Where You Are / Columbia, he also pipped this over, Lifestyle - Trying To Make It Up To You, again LP only...

THIS IS WHAT WE WANT!!

 

Mal, there's some issues of "Don't Be Afraid" that play "I Want To Be Where You Are" on the b-side but they are mislabeled. I used to own one.

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6 hours ago, Alan T said:

Mal, there's some issues of "Don't Be Afraid" that play "I Want To Be Where You Are" on the b-side but they are mislabeled. I used to own one.

Oh wow, I'd love a copy of that, so I guess unless your lucky, somebody's gonna know if and when they'd offered it... 😞

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On 06/07/2024 at 16:51, Chalky said:

its neither, neither is Mixed Feelings or Joseph Webster modern IMO, both niter sounds and not from the modern rooms

wouldn't it be good if it was all just soul music all in one room

Spot on that's why i've always said I collect Soul.

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6 hours ago, Soulman58 said:

Spot on that's why i've always said I collect Soul.

Exactly - I collected, and love soul music.

So that's two spot on's, if you get my drift. 

Peter

 

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On 05/07/2024 at 17:54, Woodbutcher said:

"International IV - Equal Love" on DIANE , monster tune for Colin Law ... :thumbsup:

Does anyone have a soundfile?

Not on youtube.

Cheers, Carl

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