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Ain't Nothin' But a House Party - A chat with Bruce Weinroth, producer of the Show Stoppers classic

Ain't Nothin' But a House Party - A chat with Bruce Weinroth, producer of the Show Stoppers classic magazine cover

Anyone who grew up listening to pop or R&B radio in Philadelphia (as I did) in the late 1960’s is familiar with The Show Stoppers’ raucous hit, “Ain’t Nothin’ But a House Party”. Frequenters of the Soul Source website may be familiar with the song from its release on Beacon in 1968 (more on that below).

In 2017, the song was featured as the lead cut on Kent Soul’s excellent compilation, Nothing But a House Party – The Birth of the Philly Sound 1967-1971, a Compilation of the Year pick by London-based Soul Brother Records.

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As Tony Rounce of Kent Soul explains in his excellent liner note to the release, “In the same way the Motown Sound really came together after the company started recording almost exclusively in its own premises, the Philly Sound quickly took shape once Joe Tarsia, the former chief engineer at Cameo-Parkway Studios, opened Sigma Sound in 1968.”

“House Party” is a perfect pick for leading off the compilation, as it was recorded shortly before the opening of Sigma Sound, but with the involvement of many of the key players who created the Philly Sound.

Being a Philadelphia native of that era, and an R&B devotee, I had the 45 releases of the song on the Showtime and Heritage labels in my collection but never knew the full story of the song’s origin and history – until an unexpected meeting with the producer of the song on, of all places, a golf course, led me on a journey into the history of this soul classic.

McCall Field Golf Club is a private club outside Philadelphia, but it is anything but a posh enclave for the upper classes. It was built in the 1920s by the local electric utility as a place for its employees to play the newly popular game. Nowadays, it retains its blue collar feel, and accepts members who don’t work at the utility, which is how I ended up there

One day a couple of years ago, I joined up with a group of fellows I did not know half way through my round. One of the guys was talking animatedly about a recent show by The Temptations.

I idly wondered who of the original group was still touring under the name.

The guy responded, “Oh, it’s still Otis Williams’ group. I know him, man, he’s a friend of mine, I know all those guys.”

The name hit me. “You mean, Otis Williams, as in Otis Williams and the Charms?”

He stopped and looked at me. I had been outed as an R&B nut.

“Yeah! You know Otis Williams and the Charms? Hey, I was in the record business,” he said, “I produced a song. You know ‘Ain’t Nothin’ But a House Party?’ That’s my song!”

I was impressed. During a few subsequent rounds, I got more of the story from the guy, Bruce Weinroth. Then one winter day, we sat down in the club’s deserted grille room and talked – he talked, I listened - about how it all happened. (Bruce also brought his scrapbook, the source of several of the pictures here).

Bruce got his start in the music business as an undergraduate at Temple University in Philadelphia in the mid-1960’s.

“When I was in college, I used to book bands for my fraternity house at Temple, PI Lambda,” Bruce explains. “We used to book bands like Kenny Gamble and The Romeos. Then sometimes the schools used to ask me to do a show.”

When Bruce graduated, he worked managing a clothing store, while continuing his booking work.

Bruce recalls: “My father owned a chain of clothing stores. I ran one store for him called Richie Allen’s Dugout [named for the famous Phillies slugger] in Germantown. I was still booking the bands on the side.”

One day in 1967, a group of young men were in the store, and while checking out the new fashions, became intrigued with Bruce’s phone conversations.

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Bruce remembers: “These guys walk in the store and they hear me on the phone, talking about a booking. They say, ‘Hey, you in the music business? We all in a group.’ Of course I said ‘Yeah!’”

The group, The Show Stoppers, two sets of brothers from Germantown High in Philadelphia, had strong bloodlines, as one set, Alex and Laddie Burke, were younger siblings of Solomon Burke, who had emerged as a star with Atlantic Records, one of the singers credited with creating the “Soul” sound.

“I put them on a show with The Vibrations, Jackie Wilson and The Magnificent Men, at Philadelphia Textile College,” says Bruce.

The Vibrations were a dynamic live act and had been at the root of a music sensation in 1964 with their recording of “My Girl Sloopy”, produced by the great Bert Berns. The song was renamed “Hang On, Sloopy” when The McCoy’s version hit #1 in 1965, and was recorded by over twenty artists within the next year.

Carl Fisher was the lead singer for The Vibrations, and after watching The Show Stoppers, he pulled Weinroth aside.

Bruce explains: “Carl Fisher says to me, is that your group? I say, yeah. He says, come here a minute, let’s talk. He says, I write, I got songs. So, the three of us, Carl Fisher, Joe Thomas [The Vibrations guitar player] and I, sat around and came up with the song.”

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The inspiration for the title and refrain came from a catch-phrase used by legendary Philadelphia DJ Sonny Hopson (The Mighty Burner, as he was known).

Bruce chuckles. “Sonny Hopson used to always say on the radio, ‘Ain’t nothin but a house party’. So we played with that idea.”

The result was a funky, upbeat number, “Ain’t Nothin’ But a House Party”, credited to Del Sharh and Joe Thomas. (Fisher used the pseudonym Del Sharh on the composition credits).

Weinroth had no experience at record production. As he recalls, “I didn’t know a thing about producing records. I went to my father [Melvin Weinroth], he was a business man. I said, ‘Dad, I need some money, I want to do a record.’ He said, ‘You’re doing a record? What do you know about doing a record?’”

But Bruce knew enough to get all the right people involved. Weinroth took the group to Cameo-Parkway’s studio and produced the session (under the name Bruce Charles) and enlisted stellar session men, including Carl Chambers on drums, who went on to play with Gladys Knight and the Pips; Mike Terry on baritone sax, already a Motown stalwart; well-known Philly player Mike Pedicin on tenor sax; and Joe Thomas, who went on to perform with Curtis Mayfield and The Impressions. The horns were arranged by Thom Bell, who was on the verge of his work creating the “Philly Sound” with The Delfonics, Jerry Butler and many others for the Philly Groove label and Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff’s Philly International label (and a host of other labels, large and small).

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But this recording had none of the sweet, string-laden orchestration of Bell’s later work. This was a hard-driving dance number that echoed the energy of other soul/funk songs on the charts then, like “Funky Broadway” by Dyke and the Blazers and “Boogaloo Down Broadway” by the Fantastic Johnny C, with a bit of The Miracles “Goin to a Go Go” mixed in. It has a live, it-really-is-a-party sound, the background jive—“What’s happenin’ baby?”, “Goin’ to a Party!”—presaging the party chatter of songs like Marvin Gaye’s “What’s Going On”.

With baritone sax punctuating the verses, a chorus of overlapping call-and-response vocals repeating the lines “Ain’t nothin but a party/Ain’t nothin but a house party”, and a punchy horn riff leading back to the verse, the beat is irresistible.

Bruce got to put his own personal stamp on the recording. “I’m on the record; at the beginning, when they say ‘Hey baby, it ain’t nothing but a house party’, that’s me. That was my idea.”

Much of the group was, as Bruce says, “All those guys from MFSB, before they became MFSB”, referring to the name given to the cadre of studio musicians who would become to Gamble & Huff’s “Philly Sound”, what The Funk Brothers were to Motown. (MFSB stood for “Mother, Father, Sister Brother”, according to the “clean” version of the name’s origin, invoking the closeness of the musicians; alternatively, it meant “mother-fucking son-of-a-bitch”, in tribute to the prowess of the group’s members.)

The engineer was Joe Tarsia who would go on to found Sigma Sound, the home base for Gamble & Huff’s Philadelphia International records, and the source for over 200 gold and platinum awards with an extensive client list that begins with Aretha Franklin and ends with ZZ Top (including David Bowie’s Young Americans).

The single, released on Showtime Records, the label created by Bruce and Irvine Weinroth (Bruce's brother), was a strong regional hit, breaking the top ten on pop and soul stations in Philadelphia, and reaching #2 at WRAW in Reading, Pennsylvania.

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Bruce recalls: “My father knew Georgie Woods real well. [Woods was a key DJ at WHAT, one of the two big soul stations in Philadelphia, at that time; he may be better known to Philadelphians for his many years at WDAS]. And Ernie Fields at WDAS, he loved it, he was the first to play it.

“He got into it, my father. To the point that Thom Bell said to him, ‘Why don’t you pay me a salary, and I’ll do records.’ My father said, ‘I don’t think so.’’”

Bruce worked a distribution deal with Harold Lipsius at Jamie/Guyden and the song hit the top 40 in Harrisburg, Columbus and Cleveland. The song did not break out nationally, hitting only #118 on the Billboard charts in May 1967, but it was early days.

 (Note: Jamie/Guyden created records on its own two labels and was also a distributor for a wide range of local and national record labels. For an interesting tale of how Frank Lipsius (Harold’s son) helped the producers of the hit movie The Green Book feature authentic R&B/Soul songs of the era without breaking the bank, by plumbing the depths of the Jamie catalog, check out this article by Jonathan Takiff from the Philadelphia Inquirer ("How a small Philadelphia record company gave an Oscar contender its sound").

In January 1968, Milton Samuel, an Antiguan-born businessman who had started Beacon Records in London, was visiting the US and heard the song. Weinroth leased the master to Samuel and “House Party” became the first (and only) hit for his label. Released in February 1968, the song reached #11 in the UK Singles Charts and became a favorite of the Northern Soul crowd at such clubs as the Twisted Wheel and the Blue Note. The Show Stoppers travelled to the UK and made three appearances on Top of the Pops.

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Bruce recalls the trips to England with the band: “In England, they were like the Temptations were here.”

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The song’s popularity led to faithful cover versions by several British artists around this time, including The Tremeloes, The Paper Dolls and Cliff Richard.

In April 1968, the song had another life in the US when Jerry Ross, a music industry hustler from Philadelphia, who had been the booth announcer on Dick Clarke’s American Bandstand before moving on to songwriting (co-authoring “I’m Gonna Make You Love Me” with a young Kenny Gamble) and production work (including “Sunny” by Bobby Hebb), bought the “House Party” master for his new Heritage label. The song fared better nationally, reaching #87 on the Billboard Charts.

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The final big chapter in the song’s life came in 1976, when the J. Geils Band recorded the tune for their live album Blow Your Face Out, which reached the Billboard Top 40. The song received a lot of airplay and the single release reached #20 in Boston, the home stomping grounds of the band, and became the title song for the band’s recurring “House Party” tours.

Being recorded by the J. Geils Band was a stamp of authenticity, as the group, with ex-DJ Peter Wolf as lead singer, had made a practice of resurrecting obscure (to white audiences) R&B hits for a college-party crowd, including “So Sharp” by Dyke and the Blazers, “Looking for a Love” by The Valentinos, “First I Look at the Purse” by The Contours and “The Usual Place” by Don Covay.

Other artists who recorded the song in later years included Phil Fearon, whose house music version produced by Stock Aitken Waterman in 1986 reached #60 in the UK charts, and a more rocking cover in 1988 by British "supergroup" The Corporation.

“House Party”’s story has a “Twenty Feet from Stardom” vibe: The Show Stoppers family ties to a soul music legend; Carl Fisher’s link to the “Sloopy” sensation of 1965; a studio crew that became the foundation of the Philly Sound; and resurrection by a band second only to the Rolling Stones for bringing obscure R&B to a broader audience.

Bruce Weinroth retired from the music business not long after his time with The Show Stoppers. He works in the insurance industry and plays golf regularly at McCall Field.   Although he regrets selling the master to Jerry Ross, Bruce kept the publishing rights to the song through his company, Clairelyn Publishing (shared with Jamie/Guyden’s Dandelion Music).

Relaxing in the empty grille room, he smiles. “Claire is my mom, Lynn is my wife—so Clairelyn. I still get royalties; and they’re not ten dollars, they’re thousands, every quarter. Sony Pictures used it in their movie Grown-ups II—they used the J. Geils version. And Toyota used it in a couple of commercials.”

“House Party” is still played regularly on oldies stations around Philadelphia and will forever be a key part of the heritage of the Philly Soul Sound. But it never would have happened if The Show Stoppers hadn’t been looking for some cool threads at Richie Allen’s Dugout one day in 1967.

Postscript:

In prepping this article for posting on the Soul Source site, I came across this thread on the various releases of the House Party 45 on the site, with more knowledgeable back and forth on master plates and matrix numbers than I can muster. I had come across the Party Time release in my research, but had never been able to determine how Party Time and Showtime related, other than they both were set up by the Weinroths. If I can nail Bruce down for another conversation, perhaps he can shed some light on that.

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I was impressed by some of the releases pictured in the comments, especially the Frankford/Wayne acetate. I also enjoyed seeing the Collectables reissue on red vinyl. The Collectables label was created by Jerry Greene, who also founded the Lost Night and Crimson labels. Collectables used to have an office about a mile from my house in suburban Philadelphia.

I would also like to thank Max Ochester of Brewerytown Beats for his encouragement in reviewing early versions of this article. He runs a great record shop in Philadelphia and has been instrumental in promoting and reissuing Philly music. Max can be found here on the Soul Source site.

For other posts on music (and books and film), you can visit my website at joeleturner.wordpress.com, and use the “word-cloud” on the right side of the page to find posts about Soul, Jazz, Vinyl, etc.

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Chalky

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Excellent read 

Jamesh

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Really enjoyed reading that. Thanks very much

Petered

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That's briiliant

 

Samplat

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Superb read 

Neil Austin

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Promo copy to share 

 

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David Meikle

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Pity that “What Can A Man Do” never got a mention.

One of the truly great “B” sides.

Good story nevertheless.

Neil Austin

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10 minutes ago, David Meikle said:

Pity that “What Can A Man Do” never got a mention.

One of the truly great “B” sides.

Good story nevertheless.

Exactly, what can a man do got a lot of play time , house party was one of my older brothers favs , he went to the Mecca quite a bit 

42 minutes ago, Joel E Turner said:

Nice DJ copy there!

Thank you , had a beacon in the day

yellow copy 

John Hart

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In 1968 ,I saw the Showstoppers perform on their first UK tour on the back of "Houseparty" at The Peppermint Lounge Club in Fraser Street Liverpool,. Comprising of Soloman Burkes 2 Sons and another pair of Brothers . They where very polished and professional and great Vocal harmonies and slick dance moves ,particularly on  their rendition of the Artistics "Im Gonna Miss You". Milton Samuel who created the UK Beacon lable licensed the release of "Houseparty " for the  princely sum of £30!! It was  a Top 10 hit in Uk and very popular in Europe , not so in the US.   I Saw them again at the wheel in 71 now signed to Jerry Ross and his Heritage lable this group apparently where the Persuaders as the original line up was no more. I can not say if this is true, as my observational powers at the time where  somewhat  limited.  

Andy Rix

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Nice article .. thank you

Windlesoul

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Enjoyed that Joel, thanks. Nice job.

 

Joel E Turner

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4 hours ago, David Meikle said:

Pity that “What Can A Man Do” never got a mention.

One of the truly great “B” sides.

Good story nevertheless.

David, thanks, and great point. Bruce Weinroth called me today and he mentioned the song as well. Hoping to see Bruce again soon - maybe we'll do a followup on the song.

Joel E Turner

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4 hours ago, Neil Austin said:

Exactly, what can a man do got a lot of play time , house party was one of my older brothers favs , he went to the Mecca quite a bit 

Thank you , had a beacon in the day

yellow copy 

David and Neil, What a Man Can Do got little airplay in US, at least I know not in Philly. Great to hear it got more in UK. Was it on radio, or in the clubs?

4 hours ago, John Hart said:

In 1968 ,I saw the Showstoppers perform on their first UK tour on the back of "Houseparty" at The Peppermint Lounge Club in Fraser Street Liverpool,. Comprising of Soloman Burkes 2 Sons and another pair of Brothers . They where very polished and professional and great Vocal harmonies and slick dance moves ,particularly on  their rendition of the Artistics "Im Gonna Miss You". Milton Samuel who created the UK Beacon lable licensed the release of "Houseparty " for the  princely sum of £30!! It was  a Top 10 hit in Uk and very popular in Europe , not so in the US.   I Saw them again at the wheel in 71 now signed to Jerry Ross and his Heritage lable this group apparently where the Persuaders as the original line up was no more. I can not say if this is true, as my observational powers at the time where  somewhat  limited.  

John, I'll mention this to Bruce, see how his scrap book stuff may match up with some of this. Very cool!

David Meikle

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Hi Joel

The 45 was one of my first soul music purchases. Circa 1968. When I heard the flipside I couldn’t believe how good it was. I was a disc jockey in Glasgow for two years and I played it many times. I had about ten close friends who all loved it too.

Unfortunately Glasgow was moving on to a different sound by 1969 so I am not the best to tell you how it went down in the clubs as we were a very large minority.

When I discovered the fledgling Northern Soul scene in Manchester in 1970 it was a pleasure to see that soul music was still popular for much the youth of that time.

There are others on this thread who are much more qualified to comment on your question but I certainly never heard it on radio as the UK was barren for soul music back then.

England is the home of the home of the Northern Soul scene. It must have been played there in some of the clubs which emerged as the scene became a force in later years.

David

Neil Austin

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30 minutes ago, Joel E Turner said:

David and Neil, What a Man Can Do got little airplay in US, at least I know not in Philly. Great to hear it got more in UK. Was it on radio, or in the clubs?

John, I'll mention this to Bruce, see how his scrap book stuff may match up with some of this. Very cool!

Hi Joel 

what can a man do was played in clubs

everywhere , Lancaster, Manchester, Southend, you name it , it has always been known as an under rated classic 

lots of affection for this double A sider 

vocals are amazing 

thank you Joel 👏👏👏

 

Neil Austin

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5 hours ago, Joel E Turner said:

Nice DJ copy there!

Joel,

Thank you for your article and Sharing

a lot of information around the Philly 

music scene , very informative.

best regards 

Neil 

The Yank

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Great article - thanks for posting!

  "Ain't Nothing..." did well on WHAT, hitting  #7 in April '67. Also pictured on the survey is Sonny Hopson who started the "Ain't Nothing But A House Party" phrase - 

 

 

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Solidsoul

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I went to see The Showstoppers in the late 70's. The lead singer signed his autograph, T.J.Williams. !!!!   Don't know if it was the Mala, Josie labels singer, or was it just coincidence? 🤔

Joel E Turner

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17 hours ago, Neil Austin said:

Hi Joel 

what can a man do was played in clubs

everywhere , Lancaster, Manchester, Southend, you name it , it has always been known as an under rated classic 

lots of affection for this double A sider 

vocals are amazing 

thank you Joel 👏👏👏

 

 

17 hours ago, David Meikle said:

Hi Joel

The 45 was one of my first soul music purchases. Circa 1968. When I heard the flipside I couldn’t believe how good it was. I was a disc jockey in Glasgow for two years and I played it many times. I had about ten close friends who all loved it too.

Unfortunately Glasgow was moving on to a different sound by 1969 so I am not the best to tell you how it went down in the clubs as we were a very large minority.

When I discovered the fledgling Northern Soul scene in Manchester in 1970 it was a pleasure to see that soul music was still popular for much the youth of that time.

There are others on this thread who are much more qualified to comment on your question but I certainly never heard it on radio as the UK was barren for soul music back then.

England is the home of the home of the Northern Soul scene. It must have been played there in some of the clubs which emerged as the scene became a force in later years.

David

David and Neil, thanks for the info - great to hear that the flip was so appreciated. I will mention that to Bruce, see what he may remember, though I suspect popularity may have been more in the Northern Soul scene a few years after release.

Joel E Turner

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On 26/02/2023 at 02:32, The Yank said:

Great article - thanks for posting!

  "Ain't Nothing..." did well on WHAT, hitting  #7 in April '67. Also pictured on the survey is Sonny Hopson who started the "Ain't Nothing But A House Party" phrase - 

 

Very cool. I'll post a site that I found for finding top xx lists from radio stations when I have a few minutes. That was the source for the comment in article about it hitting #2 in Reading. Are you a Philly guy? BTW, what a Top 30! Including Roland Kirk!

Mal C

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Outstanding! Love it. Fits really well with the interviews that Colin Curtis has been doing in the past few weeks, talking to guys like ‘Pep’ about the beginnings of the soul scene here in the uk.  This was and is an important record, with the likes of the Orlons 81, Mel Torme, Flamingos ‘Boogaloo party’ and so on..

well done Joel, great article 🙂 

Neil Austin

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31 minutes ago, Joel E Turner said:

 

David and Neil, thanks for the info - great to hear that the flip was so appreciated. I will mention that to Bruce, see what he may remember, though I suspect popularity may have been more in the Northern Soul scene a few years after release.

The northern scene did embrace the flip

and it still sounds great today , I hope 

bruce enjoys the feed and all the positive feeling there is for his work 

⭐⭐⭐

Tlscapital

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3 hours ago, Joel E Turner said:

Postscript:

In prepping this article for posting on the Soul Source site, I came across this thread on the various releases of the House Party 45 on the site, with more knowledgeable back and forth on master plates and matrix numbers than I can muster. I had come across the Party Time release in my research, but had never been able to determine how Party Time and Showtime related, other than they both were set up by the Weinroths.

My guess on the 'how' they're related is that the Party Time label (that only got two releases) whose limited distribution and promotion 'power' were refraining the success potential the record had.

Making that deal with the Jamie/Guyden group would improve exactly that locally but nationally as well. Likely they decided to start-up a new label of their own altogether to embark it on anew 'journey'.

Dave Pinch

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great stuff

The Yank

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On 26/02/2023 at 14:48, Joel E Turner said:

Very cool. I'll post a site that I found for finding top xx lists from radio stations when I have a few minutes. That was the source for the comment in article about it hitting #2 in Reading. Are you a Philly guy?

      I live very close to Chicago. 

   Apparently, the U.K.'s Prime Minister was a big fan of the group (Record World Nov.10, 1968) -

 

 

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Rick Cooper

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Joel,

Great article and fascinating background info to a much loved record. It would be good to hear what Bruce has to say about the Partytime issue and maybe ask him the story to the Four Perfections record on the same label.

There's a white label vinyl single sided test pressing of a Showstoppers record that has ST 102 on the run out. Could you ask Bruce about this, was it going to be a follow up to House Party and was it recorded at the same session?

Mike

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if not aware, here's a quick highlight of a 'party time' related Source article from @Dave Moore

 

Neil Austin

Posted

On 26/02/2023 at 17:31, The Yank said:

      I live very close to Chicago. 

   Apparently, the U.K.'s Prime Minister was a big fan of the group (Record World Nov.10, 1968) -

 

Wow what a great piece , Harold had taste 😊

Mal C

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a 'House Party' from From Down Under, looks like this one was sold via Palings in Sydney, wierd cause that looks like it was printed on the label, not added after... anyhow Palings sold all sorts of stuff back in the day.

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Our Kid

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Here's ya fella, for once without his pipe!

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Eddie Hubbard

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Great article ,wonder if Mike Terry played on any more of their records ? 

Neil Austin

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On 26/02/2023 at 19:36, Our Kid said:

Here's ya fella, for once without his pipe!

Paul

😂😂😂 perfect 

Sunnysoul

Posted

Excellent article indeed but one glaring factual error. Otis Williams of the Temptations is a completely different artist to Otis Williams of the Charms .

Rotherham Soul

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Which release came first Showtime or PartyTime?

Joel E Turner

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On 26/02/2023 at 17:31, The Yank said:

      I live very close to Chicago. 

   Apparently, the U.K.'s Prime Minister was a big fan of the group (Record World Nov.10, 1968) -

 

Wow - that is crazy. I wonder if they did it.

On 26/02/2023 at 17:57, Rick Cooper said:

Joel,

Great article and fascinating background info to a much loved record. It would be good to hear what Bruce has to say about the Partytime issue and maybe ask him the story to the Four Perfections record on the same label.

There's a white label vinyl single sided test pressing of a Showstoppers record that has ST 102 on the run out. Could you ask Bruce about this, was it going to be a follow up to House Party and was it recorded at the same session?

Will do. I'm going to have to comb through these notes for questions before our next chat. I'll try to see if I can get Bruce to join the site and thus chat directly.

Joel E Turner

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On 27/02/2023 at 01:18, Sunnysoul said:

Excellent article indeed but one glaring factual error. Otis Williams of the Temptations is a completely different artist to Otis Williams of the Charms .

Ouch! I really flubbed that one! My apologies. I'll see if I can emend the article and give you a shout out. Surprised Bruce did not catch that but it's all my fault.

Tlscapital

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1 hour ago, rotherham soul said:

Which release came first Showtime or PartyTime?

Party Time was first.

Neil Austin

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2 hours ago, rotherham soul said:

Which release came first Showtime or PartyTime?

Tricky this one 

show time release 9 march 67

first release on party time was the four perfections 67 and then the showstoppers also 67 , so they must be earlier than march to be first issues 

Tlscapital

Posted

1 hour ago, Neil Austin said:

Tricky this one 

show time release 9 march 67

first release on party time was the four perfections 67 and then the showstoppers also 67 , so they must be earlier than march to be first issues 

Right. This raised a 'flag' here for me to plunge back in the old 2017 threads on here about it (there's also a 2007 one ! Classic of classic) making me have to correct myself as I forgot some about it. Important to underline first that the Party Time release's matrix is the Show Time one ; STR 101 !!! Crucial this.

Even the Frankford/Wayne acetate bears the STR 101 numbering on its label ! Someone else also mentions owning some kind of rather interesting test/white label Bell Sound label covering up a Party Time release under it. This would likely indicate a 'maybe' Bell interest in a release but we know NOT.

Anyway intended at that stage to be pressed on Show Time. But where does that leave the Party Time issue in chronology is nothing certain. With the fact that the producer's on the Party Time is the same as the Four Perfections but not on the Show Time anymore this alone could indicate a 'dispute' release.

Unlike I imagined in 2017 where the Party Time would be a "revenge" local pressing to counter the later Heritage release and try to cash back on it one year later almost could the Jamie/Guyden deal have allow them a contemporary exclusivity to promote, distribute and sell their own Party Time pressings locally as it is sometimes done ? Pressed altogether at Frankford and Wayne in peace, love and harmony ? 😉

 

Dave Pinch

Posted

9 hours ago, Tlscapital said:

Right. This raised a 'flag' here for me to plunge back in the old 2017 threads on here about it (there's also a 2007 one ! Classic of classic) making me have to correct myself as I forgot some about it. Important to underline first that the Party Time release's matrix is the Show Time one ; STR 101 !!! Crucial this.

Even the Frankford/Wayne acetate bears the STR 101 numbering on its label ! Someone else also mentions owning some kind of rather interesting test/white label Bell Sound label covering up a Party Time release under it. This would likely indicate a 'maybe' Bell interest in a release but we know NOT.

Anyway intended at that stage to be pressed on Show Time. But where does that leave the Party Time issue in chronology is nothing certain. With the fact that the producer's on the Party Time is the same as the Four Perfections but not on the Show Time anymore this alone could indicate a 'dispute' release.

Unlike I imagined in 2017 where the Party Time would be a "revenge" local pressing to counter the later Heritage release and try to cash back on it one year later almost could the Jamie/Guyden deal have allow them a contemporary exclusivity to promote, distribute and sell their own Party Time pressings locally as it is sometimes done ? Pressed altogether at Frankford and Wayne in peace, love and harmony ? 😉

 

theres no doubt that showtime was the first label. think party time owned by the same guys who maybe thought give it another go later in 1967

Solidsoul

Posted

2 hours ago, Dave Pinch said:

theres no doubt that showtime was the first label. think party time owned by the same guys who maybe thought give it another go later in 1967

I agree. Looking at the matrix numbers etc it looks like it came out on ShowTime first, then PartyTime shortly after.

I think it looks better on PartyTime, especially next to The Four Perfections🥂💫

Dave Pinch

Posted

ye i`m on my third party time copy.. had my 1st one for a fiver from mick smith. but only realised it wasnt the 1st release after i started that thread all those years ago.. never bothered to look at the deadwax info outside of the frank ford wayne stamp

Roburt

Posted

The group in the UK ... 

 

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Roburt

Posted

An ad from 67 ...

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Dave2

Posted

Great read.  Thank you!

The Yank

Posted

  Radio Luxemburg was an early champion of "Ain't Nothin' ..." and had in their Top 10 almost 2 months before the 45  repeated it's Top 10 success in the U.K.  (From Record World March 9,1968 and May 4, 1968) _ 

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Neil Austin

Posted

Nice , thanks for sharing, there’s so much out there still , it’s amazing 😊

Roburt

Posted

Columbus, Ohio -- July 67 ... # 31

 

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Joel E Turner

Posted

On 05/03/2023 at 21:15, The Yank said:

  Radio Luxemburg was an early champion of "Ain't Nothin' ..." and had in their Top 10 almost 2 months before the 45  repeated it's Top 10 success in the U.K.  (From Record World March 9,1968 and May 4, 1968) _ 

 

Very interesting lists!

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The Yank

Posted

"Ain't Nothin' ..." also hit #20 on Quebec's CFLS on their Americain survey - 

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