Blues or Soul?

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I don't think you can categorize these artists as either, and there isn't really a need to do so. Both have tracks on the same LP (especially their later Malaco stuff) that I would say were outright blues and others that were outright soul tracks. The term BlueSoul has been used for a long time to describe the mixing of the two genres. Just enjoy their music for what it is, without any need for pigeon holes.

A great piece....But JOHN I would say the whole point he is making is that a huge amount of people on the Soul scene do 'pigeonhole' don't they?.....

Rich, I agree with you, but the last sentence was a specific question about Bobby Bland and ZZ Hill.

I was at the London show of Albert King, John Lee Hooker, Buddy Guy and Junior Wells. I have always attended all the Blues shows I can in the North East - Robert Cray at the Kirk (as well as Lowell Fulson and Louisiana Red). Joe Louis Walker and Sherman Robertson amongst others at Harveys in Stockton. Whilst I did not travel to Switzerland I saw Henry Gray upstairs in The Central in Middlesbrough.

What does someone who likes Soul and Blues look like? how can you tell?

Interesting here, to me a least, is that no-one has mentioned the styles that are collectively known as Rhythm and Blues. R&B seems to broadly spans the gap between out-and-out Soul and pure Blues. I've always placed artists such as Boby Bland and Z.Z. Hill in this area, though, of course, their material cuts right across the spectrum as a whole. If I may go slightly off the original question, I don't think that the mentality that deliberately refuses to accept certain songs or artists because they aren't whatever the definition says they should be is at all helpful or desirable. A lot of R&B gets played at Soul nights, and, of course, the Mod scene has always accepted a wide variety of tunes from Soul, R&B, Blues, Ska, Latin, 60s Beat etc., etc. Music is a continuum, not a series of clearly defined chunks, and there is great material to be heard at any event, no matter how is it advertised or marketed. So, I don't think it's all that important what niche you place Bobby or Z.Z. in: their music is wonderful, and that's all that matters.

  On 10/06/2012 at 10:38, John Moffatt said:

Interesting here, to me a least, is that no-one has mentioned the styles that are collectively known as Rhythm and Blues. R&B seems to broadly spans the gap between out-and-out Soul and pure Blues. I've always placed artists such as Boby Bland and Z.Z. Hill in this area, though, of course, their material cuts right across the spectrum as a whole. If I may go slightly off the original question, I don't think that the mentality that deliberately refuses to accept certain songs or artists because they aren't whatever the definition says they should be is at all helpful or desirable. A lot of R&B gets played at Soul nights, and, of course, the Mod scene has always accepted a wide variety of tunes from Soul, R&B, Blues, Ska, Latin, 60s Beat etc., etc. Music is a continuum, not a series of clearly defined chunks, and there is great material to be heard at any event, no matter how is it advertised or marketed. So, I don't think it's all that important what niche you place Bobby or Z.Z. in: their music is wonderful, and that's all that matters.

Very well put, but genres sell magazines, gig tickets and records unfortunatly.

  On 11/06/2012 at 11:43, geeselad said:

Very well put, but genres sell magazines, gig tickets and records unfortunatly.

Why does the real world have to keep getting in the way :-)?

  On 11/06/2012 at 11:43, geeselad said:

Very well put, but genres sell magazines, gig tickets and records unfortunatly.

Soul blues is a style of blues music developed in the late 1960s and early 1970s that combines elements of soul music and urban contemporary music. Singers and musicians who grew up listening to the traditional electric blues of artists such as Muddy Waters, Bo Diddley, Jimmy Reed and Elmore James; soul singers such as Sam Cooke, Ray Charles and Otis Redding; and gospel music wanted to bridge their favorite music together.Bobby Bland was one of the pioneers of this style. This is a sub-genre of blues that is very popular with African American audiences but less known by white audiences. The style continues to be popular in the new millennium.

Notable artists

• Bobby "Blue" Bland
  
• Z. Z. Hill
  

Maybe this might help

Couple a things going on in West Yorks and the NE.

You will need to join the Bronte Blues Club but well worth it for Larry McCray on 7th Sept, a Soulful voice and a virtuoso guitarist. Not sure of the date ( like I'm your PA now ) but Eugene Hideaway Bridges is there in Oct or Nov and he's very much influenced by Soul. I've seen them both and they're well worth the effort.

The night before his Keighley date Hideaway is in Newcastle and the night before McCray at Keighley, the Cluny also plays host to Alvin Youngblood Hart. Only know one album but he ranges from Country Blues to almost Beefheartian. He's performing solo and I can't really stomach music for a band played by one man and his guitar so I'm not taking a night off work for that one. Howewer, I reckon all of these events are worth checking out.

Incidentally, the night before Hideaway, Matt Schofield is doing the Cluny - he's one of the British great white hopes of the Blues which means he plays bar-room rock, but he uses a Hammond trio which is always interesting and can certainly play guitar.

Being a blues fan first & foremost, it was my gateway into soul music, but the article is right, not a lot of crossover between the NS scene & the blues scene in my experience. I love them both.