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16 hours ago, Hooker1951 said:

Book a flight to North Korea keyboard killer because I certainly don’t give a flying  Fk what you think but with your attitude it might cause me.to take offence, keyboard killer, Relax I can tell your not strong mentally being frightened of Old people is not a good sign

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A record played at home usually sounds unrecognisable from the same monster sound at a do.

That's a major reason to go to a do. 

Clapping togetherness too.

Where's the scene going? Up and down as previously l guess. A gap to refresh your saturated listening buds.

There'll always be the dancing. 

At Wigan we all faced the stage and could see the cool moves of others in front and ,over time, put these moves into your own dancing.

There was no beer at Wigan. I guess clubs need the cash from the £3.90 a pint but that might be a factor to consider when people choose to leave their nests?

Fingers crossed there are enough clubs survive to put on a do in the future. 

I'm off to a do 2nite at Worsley Mesnes where Russ is on verses the young-uns. Sounds fun. Ktf

 

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I've had an apt there for the last 15 years and the bar you mention has been going most of if not all of that time until 5 or 6 years ago it was a Motown bar. It's always packed every night I've been in holds about 80 people I'd guess little dance floor but enough for what it needs. The DJ is open to new tunes the last time I was in playing mainly basic top 500 and club soul, last time I was in I spent all night writing down everything could remember regarding modern and crossover stuff he started supplying me with a bottle of beer for every 10 new tracks he found, I was there every night, all night lol. I was getting asked then to help set up other bars both in icmeler and Marmaris, in fact I did a few trial runs in the Apple bar and what used to be Waterboys in icmeler. Found a group of turks bar owners who had lived in Manchester best part of 30 years so were aware of the scene, they loved it and I'm not surprised it's spread as it has, the age range and predominantly northern folk that go there it was a no brainer really

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A good point but at least the girl with the cap on at the back has some idea and feeling for the music , the rest well, its a starter for them so it can only get better with practice.

 

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Jesus wept. Just confirming my opinion there Paul.

Oh, and don’t forget to show films on a screen on the stage. Soulboy the movie, and the old Wigan casino documentary from the 1970’s.

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I'm thinking, your off the mark on this Paul, surely it's only a handful of people. Then I actually watched the clip and wow, more on the dancefloor there than at many venues! When do we have a time when this becomes the norm and if you're not doing it you're the one looking odd, scary, it's real cultural appropriation in action. 

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3 hours ago, Monny1916 said:

it was never just about moving to the music ,, but the music moving you 

Ermm, I think we are both in agreement here. I was just trying to find a positive in a bad situation, hence my reference to the girl NOT moving like a bad robot L0L

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I think the thing that's been missed across this conversation is that the people who will be around to carry Northern Soul on, weren't around when it was at its prime. They didn't get to experience what most of you have had and won't ever get the opportunity to see, feel or even really understand it from your perspective. 

Some have mentioned the internet changing things for the worst but (holds hands up) I don't even own a record player. 🫣 I have no desire to hunt down a record because I've not bought one since I was about 10. I might be tempted to Shazam a tune that I hear though, research it on the internet, because I can, and maybe look into similar songs that I might like. 

Not being a collector might make me a 'div' and my handbag is always somewhere in sight but I'd hope that most people would be happy to share a bit of space on the dancefloor for a newbie who enjoys what she hears. Most songs are new to me but I am enjoying the ones that make my feet move the most.

It seems that things have changed over time and everyone has their favourite memories. Time doesn't stand still though and hopefully it can move on in way that can have something for everyone.

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52 minutes ago, Paulb said:

Surely a big part of the scene, and what attracted me to it, was the fact it was always cool. I’m 42 and started attending the CIS all nighters in Manchester when I was 21. I’ll never forget the first time I opened the doors and saw, and felt, the room.

Most people were probably in the 35-50 age bracket and some seriously cool people. The whole spectacle was oozing  excitement. Sheridan’s, Middleton, Soul or Nothing, Lowton, proper nights that were 100% amazing.

21 years later and those people are now 55 - 70. 

I don’t go out anymore really but when I do I’m only ever disappointed. The younger people that are allegedly taking things forward seem very tame. Where are all the hedonistic lunatics? That’s what the scene was all about for me. Proper characters that were bang into the music. It’s all very wishy washy now, and the modern interpretation wouldn’t excite the 21 year old me.

 

I was scared to articulate that as I'm too old, but spot on mate. Someone like Pete Lawson or tommo would have scared them all shitless. 

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1 hour ago, Geeselad said:

I'm thinking, your off the mark on this Paul, surely it's only a handful of people. Then I actually watched the clip and wow, more on the dancefloor there than at many venues! When do we have a time when this becomes the norm and if you're not doing it you're the one looking odd, scary, it's real cultural appropriation in action. 

spot on mate...

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1 hour ago, Paulb said:

Surely a big part of the scene, and what attracted me to it, was the fact it was always cool. I’m 42 and started attending the CIS all nighters in Manchester when I was 21. I’ll never forget the first time I opened the doors and saw, and felt, the room.

Most people were probably in the 35-50 age bracket and some seriously cool people. The whole spectacle was oozing  excitement. Sheridan’s, Middleton, Soul or Nothing, Lowton, proper nights that were 100% amazing.

21 years later and those people are now 55 - 70. 

I don’t go out anymore really but when I do I’m only ever disappointed. The younger people that are allegedly taking things forward seem very tame. Where are all the hedonistic lunatics? That’s what the scene was all about for me. Proper characters that were bang into the music. It’s all very wishy washy now, and the modern interpretation wouldn’t excite the 21 year old me.

 

Made me really nostalgic mentioning those venues.....what times and full of real out there characters...just finding Sheridan's was a rite of passage...

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"Cultural appropriation"   is that not what Northern Soul is based on?

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1 hour ago, shinyshoes said:

I think the thing that's been missed across this conversation is that the people who will be around to carry Northern Soul on, weren't around when it was at its prime. They didn't get to experience what most of you have had and won't ever get the opportunity to see, feel or even really understand it from your perspective. 

Some have mentioned the internet changing things for the worst but (holds hands up) I don't even own a record player. 🫣 I have no desire to hunt down a record because I've not bought one since I was about 10. I might be tempted to Shazam a tune that I hear though, research it on the internet, because I can, and maybe look into similar songs that I might like. 

Not being a collector might make me a 'div' and my handbag is always somewhere in sight but I'd hope that most people would be happy to share a bit of space on the dancefloor for a newbie who enjoys what she hears. Most songs are new to me but I am enjoying the ones that make my feet move the most.

It seems that things have changed over time and everyone has their favourite memories. Time doesn't stand still though and hopefully it can move on in way that can have something for everyone.

Everyone being literally everyone? Im confused...

1 minute ago, Djack said:

"Cultural appropriation"   is that not what Northern Soul is based on?

No. Thats a very simplistic reply.

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8 minutes ago, Paul-s said:

Everyone being literally everyone? Im confused...

No. Thats a very simplistic reply.

In your opinion of course which is no more important than anyone else's.

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9 minutes ago, Paul-s said:

Everyone being literally everyone? Im confused...

What's confusing?

Everyone who enjoys the music, whether they found the record, were there when it was first played, discovered it 20 years on or are hearing it for the first time today, should be allowed to enjoy. They should be able to dance how they like, sit out if they choose and buy the record, cd or download. 

Do you not agree?

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20 hours ago, Djack said:

In your opinion of course which is no more important than anyone else's.

Of course. we are all entitled to our views based on our attendance throughout the decades with no break. Underground, Overground as the Womble's might say.

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On 31/05/2024 at 16:38, Hooker1951 said:

No Offence Lads  but you two might be better of living in North Korea LoL, Tarring everyone with the same brush always brings problems, Needless to say thousands of Good Soul people on here who still have plenty life and Soul left in their Old Shoes

Mick

And that’s absolutely fine, they should do their thing, but I believe the “the young-uns” should grow their own scene however they want in a way that’s relevant to them. They don’t really need a bunch of old farts telling them they’re doing it all wrong. Plenty of clubs/scenes in the past have refused entry to those that don’t “fit”.

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1 hour ago, Hooker1951 said:

Hi Devlam

I spent over 40 years of my life refusing entry to people who didn’t fit into clubs pubs.  Concerts etc etc etc and I was pretty good at that job in fact boss at it, nobody is decrying what the young ones do, but what you can’t do is teach a chicken to suck eggs, age is not relevant to music unless you make it so . Old and young can enjoy the same music trust me, I still DJ these days, in NS RnB, and I was a Mc at all illegal and legal raves till wellinto my 50,s. I’m 72 now and as long as I feel like I can still enjoy the music, help people enjoy the music share my knowledge I will keep on keeping on. old farts are not the problem  , Disrespectful farts are the problem and they can be young and old in any shape or form , Music is one of the greatest Levellers know to mankind and should be used for happiness for the Old and the young,Just for example I never stopped anyone entering premises where I was in charge of Security for being to Old, I Stopped hundreds for being to young, and thousands for being obnoxious clowns, but always remember some old people can be very wise, very clever and very dangerous.

Stay safe

ML

Dress codes always used to baffle me regarding door policy.

 

no jeans or trainers in lots of places as if they were the problem.

 

it was the shinty shoes and trousers brigade that were more likely to want a fight.

 

things have changed a lot and all that nonsense seems to be a thing of the past.

 

As for the current push in some quarters on northern…

its the marketing behind this most recent revival that has gone up quite a few notches.  Previously a handful of young people myself included would join the scene in relatively small numbers.  More noticeable in Manchester, London and Europe less so everywhere else.  None of this was happening when I started going out and seeing the same faces all over the country was proof of a healthy travelling support. 

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2 hours ago, Hooker1951 said:

Old and young can enjoy the same music trust me

Absolutely Mick - but not necessarily at the same time/place. I see the photos that The Deptford Northern Soul Club post on line, full of youth and enthusiasm. Not a bald head in sight 🙂 - I’d like to experience it but feel I’m too old and they should have it for themselves. That’s all. Take a look on FB if you’re on it. Respect.

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15 minutes ago, Devlam said:

Absolutely Mick - but not necessarily at the same time/place. I see the photos that The Deptford Northern Soul Club post on line, full of youth and enthusiasm. Not a bald head in sight 🙂 - I’d like to experience it but feel I’m too old and they should have it for themselves. That’s all. Take a look on FB if you’re on it. Respect.

That is how it should be I am surprised young kids want to listen to music made 50 years or more ago however great it is but it's their choice and if they break away from the older people on the scene "more power to em"

I find it strange to see young kids at Soul events with people in their sixties, if the kids are the future of northern as they should be events that attract that age bracket is the future.

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Hi Devlam

Your not too old, Soul Music is for all ages Old souls and Young Souls if you mean that if you were on the dance floor maybe at the same time as they were and you felt a little clumsy and slow,  and cramping their style I understand where your coming from that’s called growing old if it’s effecting you that way, just except that’s the circle of life it shouldn’t stop you enjoying something you love enjoy at your pace, your still listening LoL, just the same as the young ones to the same music  Except you’ve had a head start on them, Ageism in NS can only be a negative thing either way Soul Music is timeless that’s why there are Still Good old Soulies still around after 60 years it’s too late in the day for them to give up now, and remember the young ones will be old one day, Enjoy when you can with the Old and the young the music you love and if they are genuine Soulies they will understand that as young as they are,

Cheers Mick

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5 minutes ago, Hooker1951 said:

if you mean that if you were on the dance floor maybe at the same time as they were and you felt a little clumsy and slow,  and cramping their style

No way, I’m an awesome dancer 😉

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That’s great to hear Devlam, I used to be a decent dancer myself well you should keep on dancing enjoying yourself and let the young ones get on with what their doing I’m sure they won’t be worrying about you, If they have their own events and it suits them Good luck to them, if they want to join with us in our events they are always welcome, they always have been I’ve always had time for the Young Soulies if there respectful I am too, 

God Bless

Mick

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