Trev Thomas Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 ive had a few of these over the years, dont know what the story behind them is though
pikeys dog Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 'Cloakroom Kenny' had one of these - swears it's original but I reckon it could be a 60s boot from Pittsburgh... it's definately on Vinyl, and not Styrene like all other Ric Tics.
Trev Thomas Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 'Cloakroom Kenny' had one of these - swears it's original but I reckon it could be a 60s boot from Pittsburgh... it's definately on Vinyl, and not Styrene like all other Ric Tics. why would someone boot a multi million selling record ? im sure the record shops in pittsburgh would have been full of copies of this..it not only topped the r & b chart it also went high in the pop chart
pikeys dog Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 why would someone boot a multi million selling record ? im sure the record shops in pittsburgh would have been full of copies of this..it not only topped the r & b chart it also went high in the pop chart In Pittsburgh they were booting records at the time of their release... (cheaper to press your own than buy them in?) Question is - why not boot a high selling 45? - there's obviously a market for it. Didn't Raymona Gordy boot Motown 45s whilst they were selling the originals as well?
pikeys dog Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 (edited) multi million selling record ? I'd query your figures on that - I'd be suprised if it sold more than 100,000 copies... Most of which probably ended up over here in the 70s. Edited March 15, 2007 by pikeys dog
Trev Thomas Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 I'd query your figures on that - I'd be suprised if it sold more than 100,000 copies... Most of which probably ended up over here in the 70s. wasnt aware that they were booting chart hits, much the same as pirate cd's nowdays i suppose.. regards amount of copies sold, i wouldnt know the exact amount i was just assuming it would have been a high figure, as it was a national hit in usa, both r & b & pop charts
Russoul1 Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 hi, i have one of these, there was a thread on this a while back of which i agreed with ken that these are actual original issues, east coast i think.not only that but i also brought mine from a well known dealer who confirmed this was an original 45. any help russ
45cellar Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 hi, i have one of these, there was a thread on this a while back of which i agreed with ken that these are actual original issues, east coast i think.not only that but i also brought mine from a well known dealer who confirmed this was an original 45. any help russ >>> LINK <<< To the previous Thread about this record.
Ged Parker Posted March 15, 2007 Posted March 15, 2007 why would someone boot a multi million selling record ? im sure the record shops in pittsburgh would have been full of copies of this..it not only topped the r & b chart it also went high in the pop chart These are possibly counterfeits rather than boots IMHO. Pressed up in far corners of the states and sold to capitalise on the market at the time of the release. Miss Ray did, as Joe points out do this with some Motown stuff while she was running the New York motown operation but was in the midst of her split from Berry. Berry agreed to drop the charges if she signed away her rights to her half of Motown for something like $10,000(?).
Sunnysoul Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 (edited) These are possibly counterfeits rather than boots IMHO. Pressed up in far corners of the states and sold to capitalise on the market at the time of the release. Miss Ray did, as Joe points out do this with some Motown stuff while she was running the New York motown operation but was in the midst of her split from Berry. Berry agreed to drop the charges if she signed away her rights to her half of Motown for something like $10,000(?). I've always been intrigued by this part of the Motown legend. Can anyone post up a scan/example of one of these so called bootleg/counterfeit Motown issues that Miss Ray was alleged to have pressed up in the 60's ??? In all my years of record collecting, I can't ever recall a dealer or fellow collector actually describing or showing to me a 60's Motown record that is a bootleg or counterfeit ??? Edited March 18, 2007 by sunnysoul
45cellar Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 (edited) I've always been intrigued by this part of the Motown legend. Can anyone post up a scan/example of one of these so called bootleg/counterfeit Motown issues that Miss Ray was alleged to have pressed up in the 60's ??? In all my years of record collecting, I can't ever recall a dealer or fellow collector actually describing or showing to me a 60's Motown record that is a bootleg or counterfeit ??? Hi Sunnysoul Now that is one heck of a question. Anyone know. Edited March 18, 2007 by 45cellar
Dazz Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 I've always been intrigued by this part of the Motown legend. Can anyone post up a scan/example of one of these so called bootleg/counterfeit Motown issues that Miss Ray was alleged to have pressed up in the 60's ??? In all my years of record collecting, I can't ever recall a dealer or fellow collector actually describing or showing to me a 60's Motown record that is a bootleg or counterfeit ??? I think the record in question was My Guy - Mary Wells, I have got one somewhere although I won't be able to lay my hands on it easily, the plastic is well flimsy and the sound quality is less than perfect, the label looks like it was turned.
Guest Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 I read something about Miss Ray the other day. I think it was on;- suolfuldetroit.com The goldenworld / goldenhit story It is good reading anyway
macca Posted March 18, 2007 Posted March 18, 2007 oo'er. I bought the record in question. never mind, it only cost 6 quid, & I guess it's an unusual item, being an 'original counterfeit' etc. M
45cellar Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 (edited) oo'er. I bought the record in question. never mind, it only cost 6 quid, & I guess it's an unusual item, being an 'original counterfeit' etc. M Hi This arrived through the post This Morning, It is on Vinyl. I hadn't seen this one before. I already have these 4 This One from Sea Bear has a slightly different Title, I notice that the Canadian Reo also has the "AGENT OO-SOUL" title Seabear.com Don't they look well together - There's something quite appealing about this Label. We are currently trying to compile scans for the Ric-Tic & Mirwood Label at Hitsville Soul Club of America >>> LINK <<< Includes Scans of the White DEMO for Ric-Tic RT-103, now that is a Rare One. Edited April 13, 2007 by 45cellar
Guest Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 I've got a nice San Remo Strings on 'Reo'...wasn't it a Canadian label ?
Guest Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 blimey i thought i was going mad with your changing avatar 45cellar !
Guest Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 (edited) These are possibly counterfeits rather than boots IMHO. Pressed up in far corners of the states and sold to capitalise on the market at the time of the release. Miss Ray did, as Joe points out do this with some Motown stuff while she was running the New York motown operation but was in the midst of her split from Berry. Berry agreed to drop the charges if she signed away her rights to her half of Motown for something like $10,000(?). didnt the label "lana" bootleg many records that were big hits at the time??,in the 60s including the reflections,romeo+juliet,part of ric-tic/golden world/wingate labels,cannot remember other titles but im sure they bootlegged quite a few popular tunes at the time,someone must have made a few grubby bucks somewhere hope ive got this right !!!,any info on this label would be nice and how did they eventually get shut down,how about a list of lana 45s im sure there was a few soul 45s bootlegged at the time,who was behind the label??????...soulie55 are they ancient relatives of amnesiarecords!!!!!... Edited April 13, 2007 by soulie55
Guest Bogue Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 These are possibly counterfeits rather than boots IMHO. Pressed up in far corners of the states and sold to capitalise on the market at the time of the release. Miss Ray did, as Joe points out do this with some Motown stuff while she was running the New York motown operation but was in the midst of her split from Berry. Berry agreed to drop the charges if she signed away her rights to her half of Motown for something like $10,000(?). Ouch ! If that is the case those counterfeits proved to be pretty expensive to her in the end i would say.
45cellar Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 (edited) I've got a nice San Remo Strings on 'Reo'...wasn't it a Canadian label ? blimey i thought i was going mad with your changing avatar 45cellar ! Hi Simon Yes, Reo is Canadian.------------- I'm not sure about this Vinyl, Yellow Ric-Tic, It does have a very different Font to the other Ric-Tics. About the Avitar, I decided to load my Avitar in via Photo Bucket as a Gif. I now just upload a new Avitar with the Same File Name If I want to change It. Edited April 14, 2007 by 45cellar
45cellar Posted April 13, 2007 Posted April 13, 2007 didnt the label "lana" bootleg many records that were big hits at the time??,in the 60s including the reflections,romeo+juliet,part of ric-tic/golden world/wingate labels,cannot remember other titles but im sure they bootlegged quite a few popular tunes at the time,someone must have made a few grubby bucks somewhere hope ive got this right !!!,any info on this label would be nice and how did they eventually get shut down,how about a list of lana 45s im sure there was a few soul 45s bootlegged at the time,who was behind the label??????...soulie55 are they ancient relatives of amnesiarecords!!!!!... Here is one of the Lana Releases
Prophonics 2029 Posted April 16, 2007 Posted April 16, 2007 (edited) I got a copy of the Edwin Star of Roger Banks and he sold it as a German release Edited April 16, 2007 by Prophonics 2026
Gene-r Posted April 16, 2007 Posted April 16, 2007 didnt the label "lana" bootleg many records that were big hits at the time??,in the 60s including the reflections,romeo+juliet,part of ric-tic/golden world/wingate labels,cannot remember other titles but im sure they bootlegged quite a few popular tunes at the time,someone must have made a few grubby bucks somewhere hope ive got this right !!!,any info on this label would be nice and how did they eventually get shut down,how about a list of lana 45s im sure there was a few soul 45s bootlegged at the time,who was behind the label??????...soulie55 are they ancient relatives of amnesiarecords!!!!!... Possibly.............especially when you spell Lana backwards!
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