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Hi Have Arin Demain silent treatment turned up in any quantity?

its always been a rare record and hard to find but lately Tim Brown and Pat Brady have both had M- copies up for 

auction , and now i see theres another M- copy on ebay with an American seller,

coincidence or have they turned up and if so how big is the find

ATB

Floyd

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Don't know if a box has been found but IMO what sometimes happens is owners see one go for a certain price and think it's time to sell mine . If the ebay seller list another copy well then there would possibly have been a small find.

You don't see many copies with the  Blue star on, I've only seen a picture.

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I don’t think any have turned up,just simply a cashing in scenario

in recent years I’ve only seen Johnny maestro on sceptre,the tempos on diamond Jim and doc Peabody turn up in rather frequent amounts and all mint!

but I suppose this is always gonna happen with so many northern,xover,and modern 45s!

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5 hours ago, Spook said:

Don't know if a box has been found but IMO what sometimes happens is owners see one go for a certain price and think it's time to sell mine . If the ebay seller list another copy well then there would possibly have been a small find.

You don't see many copies with the  Blue star on, I've only seen a picture.

My friend paul had a copy with the star on which he sent to John manship to photo so he could put it in the book. Only one I have seen 

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Always a favourite record of mine; never been near one in any of my collections. I'm trying to recall who I've heard spin this, many years ago. Could it have been Nev Wherry or Soul Sam? 

Its a superb soul record - I'm even very fond of the unusual name of the artist; Arin Demain. 

Does anyone know the price the record achieved in the two recent auctions?

Thank you.

Peter

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2 hours ago, Mark B said:

My friend paul had a copy with the star on which he sent to John manship to photo so he could put it in the book. Only one I have seen 

Many, many years ago I visited John Manship when the shop i seem to remember was upstairs down a little alley, in MM.

He offered me a AD at £50 and a Larry Clinton demo at £75. I was tempted, but I stuck to my spending limit I set ............ £20.

Anyone else ever set a pending limit and kept to it?

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14 minutes ago, Hippo said:

Many, many years ago I visited John Manship when the shop i seem to remember was upstairs down a little alley, in MM.

He offered me a AD at £50 and a Larry Clinton at £75. I was tempted, but I stuck to my spending limit I set ............ £20.

Anyone else ever set a pending limit and kept to it?

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As Mr Mainwaring said 'stupid boy'😂😇

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1 hour ago, Hippo said:

Many, many years ago I visited John Manship when the shop i seem to remember was upstairs down a little alley, in MM.

He offered me a AD at £50 and a Larry Clinton demo at £75. I was tempted, but I stuck to my spending limit I set ............ £20.

Anyone else ever set a pending limit and kept to it?

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Not me Hippo - I don't collect anymore, and actually gave my last collection away; but I always got carried away, and rarely stuck to my budget.

Back in the day I don't think many of us had too much cash to spare. I wasn't collecting at the time you visited Johnny's goldmine. 

Peter

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1 hour ago, Gary Lee said:

I paid £2850 for a nr mint copy earlier this year but I think the other copy’s went for around the same price.. I even think I see a cracked copy sell for £700 sweet spin to have though 

Thanks Gary

What a record to have in your collection. Superb record, a minter too. 😍

Peter

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2 hours ago, Peter99 said:

Always a favourite record of mine; never been near one in any of my collections. I'm trying to recall who I've heard spin this, many years ago. Could it have been Nev Wherry or Soul Sam? 

Its a superb soul record - I'm even very fond of the unusual name of the artist; Arin Demain. 

Does anyone know the price the record achieved in the two recent auctions?

Thank you.

Peter

I have some cassettes here with Sam playing it at St. Ives etc in 1979

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48 minutes ago, Hippo said:

I have some cassettes here with Sam playing it at St. Ives etc in 1979

Thanks Hippo. My memory; for once, seems to serve me well. I think it was 1979 when I first heard. 

I've run out of likes for today, so, I like your response.

Thanks mate.

Peter 

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20 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

Thanks Hippo. My memory; for once, seems to serve me well. I think it was 1979 when I first heard. 

I've run out of likes for today, so, I like your response.

Thanks mate.

Peter 

3 from 79

1 from Cleethorpes 78

deffo Sam, must get around to digitising them for posterity.

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1 hour ago, Mick Holdsworth said:

Only remember it covered up as Lenny Curtis - Not Another Day - I bought Sam's copy as this.

I'm most likely wrong,but I'm sure I see somewhere it was LJ....unless it was the other way round,LJ was covered as AD...:g:

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5 hours ago, Keamus said:

Record Collector Volume 1 compilation LP from 1980 on Destiny credits Nev Wherry as first to give it a spin. Whatever happen to Volume 2?

Dave Withers sold me his copy in 1980 when this album was released , for £25.00 .   There were very few copies in circulation at that time , think Dave had paid considerably more for it , however , the Lp  track release  killed its exclusivity and I was the happy benefactor .       Sold it  a couple of years later  to someone from down South  , for a similar amount plus some other stuff  then read it was getting plays at the 100 club .  .                                                                                      Even today , I feel some attachment to the record and cant help  getting a twisted feeling of  regret mixed with satisfaction when I see the way it has rocketed in price , regret obviously as I let it go ,and have no chance of getting it back, also the satisfaction of knowing that I once had this and several other very rare and expensive discs through my hands back in the day .                                                                                                                            Silent Treatment is the one that I think about most though .

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i distinctly remember Rob Smith playing this, late 70's Nottm Palais .    never heard it again, until the warm up, in the pub, opposite the rocket nighters, about 20 years ago.

actually,   scrap that.  the record im thinking of,  was Brice Coefield.   D'oh ! 

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On 12/12/2023 at 21:42, Hippo said:

I have some cassettes here with Sam playing it at St. Ives etc in 1979

Well, I think I deserve at least one thumbs up for shouting out that Nev and Martin (B) both had and played this out! 😇 It was nearly 50 years ago, I was only ten. 😲

Seriously, it's definitely in my top ten sounds. Any more memories, views or information would be very appreciated.

Thanks

Peter

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16 minutes ago, Peter99 said:

Well, I think I deserve at least one thumbs up for shouting out that Nev and Martin (B) both had and played this out! 😇 It was nearly 50 years ago, I was only ten. 😲

Seriously, it's definitely in my top ten sounds. Any more memories, views or information would be very appreciated.

Thanks

Peter

I only have 1 cassette from Bedford - Brian Rea & Nev.

Nev plays:

jimmy Thomas

Cheryl grey

gems

little hank

r dean Taylor

ellusions

Stella star

Herbie goins

del larks

john ford

Joe Frasier

Jessica James

blue chips

I think it's the first of his spots, so maybe AD in the next?

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On 13/12/2023 at 07:25, Keamus said:

Record Collector Volume 1 compilation LP from 1980 on Destiny credits Nev Wherry as first to give it a spin. Whatever happen to Volume 2?

Don’t think it credits them as the first just who was spinning it at the time cause half the records on that compilation weren’t first played by the Dj named if I remember correctly. 
 

Arin Demain was a John Manship discovery from a trip to Pittsburgh. He made it a Cleethorpes biggie before selling it to Nev after a year. 

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Here is the actual real-history of this 45. As documented in June 2022 on the John Manship Wednesday auction.

Welcome home old friend..

First discovered in a neat and tidy man-cave record-room, in Pittsburgh during an one of my early buying trips in May 1977. Taken back to the UK but not put up for sale, but instead straight into the DJ box covered up as "Lenny Curtis - Not Another Day" featuring as my last spin of my sets for over a year; becoming an iconic Cleethorpes Winter Gardens, finale play. To rise up from that lowly position to high priority on east-coast collectors wish lists - and has remained there ever since.

The “Cleethorpes” DJ habit for playing something slower than the norm, very soulful as their exit disc, started out as an “in” joke because the next DJ would be playing to a nearly empty dance floor, which was all in good fun to begin with. But when Tony Middleton’s “Paris Blues” rose from a funeral paced Beat Ballad stroller into an unlikely dancefloor packer, the search was on for similar discs to spin last, giving an identity to your DJ set. This 45 and "Paris Blues" added to the rich texture of diversity the Cleethorpes days were built upon. After a year I moved it onto the to fellow Cleethorpes DJ Nev Wherry, who went on to lift its popularity even higher. 

The next copy found ended up at Wigan Casino and Arin Demain's journey from Pittsburgh, Pa. to one of the most-wanted Northern Soul record of the late 70's was complete. 

Very few copies have been discovered since, the rarity provenance of this fabulous tune, is now set in stone and still talked about and salivated over 47 years later. 

So now enter “Ernie Lucas” with a perfect candidate, by any standard of the times “Silent Treatment” may have slower than the norm, but shimmering with so much “Real Soul” the appreciation grew and grew so that this disc joined “Paris Blues” in adjusting dancefloor tastes. 

Today after decades of fruitless searches and challenging quests of trying to grapple a copy away from the few known owners, or sniping a copy on the internet, ends usually in total frustration for most all who have tried - in short this is one thoroughly Soulful 45 that is damn-difficult to acquire - but we all love a collecting challenge don't we. 
 
Nev Wherry at the time in 1978 was working for John Manship Records at 25 Baldocks Lane, Melton Mowbray I was glad to sell him my copy, to keep the "Lenny Curtis" legacy going, which he did so well.

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Re: The Record Collector LP. The sleeve notes refer to the songs and where and when they were played and by whom. Back in 1980, pre-internet and before the plethora of northern soul books that have since emerged, they were a valuable record of part of the history of the scene.  Hats off to whoever came up with the idea. Neil Rushton?

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3 hours ago, Chalky said:

 

Here is the actual real-history of this 45. As documented in June 2022 on the John Manship Wednesday auction.

Welcome home old friend..

First discovered in a neat and tidy man-cave record-room, in Pittsburgh during an one of my early buying trips in May 1977. Taken back to the UK but not put up for sale, but instead straight into the DJ box covered up as "Lenny Curtis - Not Another Day" featuring as my last spin of my sets for over a year; becoming an iconic Cleethorpes Winter Gardens, finale play. To rise up from that lowly position to high priority on east-coast collectors wish lists - and has remained there ever since.

The “Cleethorpes” DJ habit for playing something slower than the norm, very soulful as their exit disc, started out as an “in” joke because the next DJ would be playing to a nearly empty dance floor, which was all in good fun to begin with. But when Tony Middleton’s “Paris Blues” rose from a funeral paced Beat Ballad stroller into an unlikely dancefloor packer, the search was on for similar discs to spin last, giving an identity to your DJ set. This 45 and "Paris Blues" added to the rich texture of diversity the Cleethorpes days were built upon. After a year I moved it onto the to fellow Cleethorpes DJ Nev Wherry, who went on to lift its popularity even higher. 

The next copy found ended up at Wigan Casino and Arin Demain's journey from Pittsburgh, Pa. to one of the most-wanted Northern Soul record of the late 70's was complete. 

Very few copies have been discovered since, the rarity provenance of this fabulous tune, is now set in stone and still talked about and salivated over 47 years later. 

So now enter “Ernie Lucas” with a perfect candidate, by any standard of the times “Silent Treatment” may have slower than the norm, but shimmering with so much “Real Soul” the appreciation grew and grew so that this disc joined “Paris Blues” in adjusting dancefloor tastes. 

Today after decades of fruitless searches and challenging quests of trying to grapple a copy away from the few known owners, or sniping a copy on the internet, ends usually in total frustration for most all who have tried - in short this is one thoroughly Soulful 45 that is damn-difficult to acquire - but we all love a collecting challenge don't we. 
 
Nev Wherry at the time in 1978 was working for John Manship Records at 25 Baldocks Lane, Melton Mowbray I was glad to sell him my copy, to keep the "Lenny Curtis" legacy going, which he did so well.

Thanks for digging that out Mr Chalkster! 😇

Peter

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1 hour ago, Dobber said:

I also notice it is in the track listing of a destiny lp from 1980,so it must have been a well known tune even by 1980,oddly though the blue sharks is on the lp too?

Yes you're right Dobber. The Blue Sharks were on that LP, there were some great tracks on there. We've had some good threads on the Blue Sharks - very interesting who they actually were. I don't want to skew the thread, but, I seem to recall that the album was re-released, but that might be another comp album I'm thinking of. Martin B, (Soul Sam), I'm quite certain majored that one. I'll pm if you that's ok. 

So back to Silent Treatment. It seems as rare as it is superb. 😍

Peter

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2 hours ago, Gary Lee said:

No I sold it to a friend for what it owed me but other copy’s I’ve had sell very quickly.. good records don’t hang about

Other copies I've had...............................

You're a lucky man Gary. A lovely record once, but to have had a few through your hands. Well done my friend, good hunting.

All the best.

Peter

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