Floyd Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) Hi Have Arin Demain silent treatment turned up in any quantity? its always been a rare record and hard to find but lately Tim Brown and Pat Brady have both had M- copies up for auction , and now i see theres another M- copy on ebay with an American seller, coincidence or have they turned up and if so how big is the find ATB Floyd Edited December 12, 2023 by Floyd Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spook Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Don't know if a box has been found but IMO what sometimes happens is owners see one go for a certain price and think it's time to sell mine . If the ebay seller list another copy well then there would possibly have been a small find. You don't see many copies with the Blue star on, I've only seen a picture. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tagtag Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Looking at the sellers description on ebay, this one appears to have come from a collection and not old store/warehouse stock. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/276221497351 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I don’t think any have turned up,just simply a cashing in scenario in recent years I’ve only seen Johnny maestro on sceptre,the tempos on diamond Jim and doc Peabody turn up in rather frequent amounts and all mint! but I suppose this is always gonna happen with so many northern,xover,and modern 45s! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bbrich Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 4 hours ago, Dobber said: the tempos on diamond Jim Hi, was there a sizeable find? & was it issues or demos. thanks. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark B Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 5 hours ago, Spook said: Don't know if a box has been found but IMO what sometimes happens is owners see one go for a certain price and think it's time to sell mine . If the ebay seller list another copy well then there would possibly have been a small find. You don't see many copies with the Blue star on, I've only seen a picture. My friend paul had a copy with the star on which he sent to John manship to photo so he could put it in the book. Only one I have seen 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bbrich said: Hi, was there a sizeable find? & was it issues or demos. thanks. Never seen an issue I thought they was all demos but I’ve seen maybe 6 copy’s for sale this year all around £3k 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 50 minutes ago, Bbrich said: Hi, was there a sizeable find? & was it issues or demos. thanks. Very small amount of issues,and such a small amount it hasn’t had any effect on the overall value of this quality rare item! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Always a favourite record of mine; never been near one in any of my collections. I'm trying to recall who I've heard spin this, many years ago. Could it have been Nev Wherry or Soul Sam? Its a superb soul record - I'm even very fond of the unusual name of the artist; Arin Demain. Does anyone know the price the record achieved in the two recent auctions? Thank you. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I paid £2850 for a nr mint copy earlier this year but I think the other copy’s went for around the same price.. I even think I see a cracked copy sell for £700 sweet spin to have though 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mark B said: My friend paul had a copy with the star on which he sent to John manship to photo so he could put it in the book. Only one I have seen Many, many years ago I visited John Manship when the shop i seem to remember was upstairs down a little alley, in MM. He offered me a AD at £50 and a Larry Clinton demo at £75. I was tempted, but I stuck to my spending limit I set ............ £20. Anyone else ever set a pending limit and kept to it? Edited December 12, 2023 by Hippo 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, Hippo said: Many, many years ago I visited John Manship when the shop i seem to remember was upstairs down a little alley, in MM. He offered me a AD at £50 and a Larry Clinton at £75. I was tempted, but I stuck to my spending limit I set ............ £20. Anyone else ever set a pending limit and kept to it? As Mr Mainwaring said 'stupid boy' 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I’ve tried but never keep to it lol 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Colsoul Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) Arin Demain isnt the only record that 2 dealers are putting up, i think between them it goes to the highest bidder ? what you think seen it a lot lately. Edited December 12, 2023 by Colsoul miss quote Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Hippo said: Many, many years ago I visited John Manship when the shop i seem to remember was upstairs down a little alley, in MM. He offered me a AD at £50 and a Larry Clinton demo at £75. I was tempted, but I stuck to my spending limit I set ............ £20. Anyone else ever set a pending limit and kept to it? Not me Hippo - I don't collect anymore, and actually gave my last collection away; but I always got carried away, and rarely stuck to my budget. Back in the day I don't think many of us had too much cash to spare. I wasn't collecting at the time you visited Johnny's goldmine. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Gary Lee said: I paid £2850 for a nr mint copy earlier this year but I think the other copy’s went for around the same price.. I even think I see a cracked copy sell for £700 sweet spin to have though Thanks Gary What a record to have in your collection. Superb record, a minter too. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Peter99 said: Always a favourite record of mine; never been near one in any of my collections. I'm trying to recall who I've heard spin this, many years ago. Could it have been Nev Wherry or Soul Sam? Its a superb soul record - I'm even very fond of the unusual name of the artist; Arin Demain. Does anyone know the price the record achieved in the two recent auctions? Thank you. Peter I have some cassettes here with Sam playing it at St. Ives etc in 1979 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 48 minutes ago, Hippo said: I have some cassettes here with Sam playing it at St. Ives etc in 1979 Thanks Hippo. My memory; for once, seems to serve me well. I think it was 1979 when I first heard. I've run out of likes for today, so, I like your response. Thanks mate. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, Peter99 said: Thanks Hippo. My memory; for once, seems to serve me well. I think it was 1979 when I first heard. I've run out of likes for today, so, I like your response. Thanks mate. Peter 3 from 79 1 from Cleethorpes 78 deffo Sam, must get around to digitising them for posterity. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 Nev wherry made it a popular spin .. I defo remember him spinning it.. st ives .. Peterborough .. Bedford alnighters was always played Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Keamus Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Record Collector Volume 1 compilation LP from 1980 on Destiny credits Nev Wherry as first to give it a spin. Whatever happen to Volume 2? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 I thought it was him to make it a big spin around the days of the EASC days Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Nice scan and a bit of info I have. Real Name Ernie Lucas, West Coast release, recording as himself on Okeh (twice), as Lord Jim on the same Blue Star label, and as Karl Evans on Skyway. 1 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mgm 1251 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) Was Silent Treatment actually "covered up"at the time as "Lord Jim and the VIP's"... even tho AD was actually LJ any way...? Edited December 13, 2023 by Mgm 1251 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 I definitely prefer that label design Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mick Holdsworth Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Mgm 1251 said: Was Silent Treatment actually "covered up"at the time as "Lord Jim and the VIP's"... even tho AD was actually LJ any way...? Only remember it covered up as Lenny Curtis - Not Another Day - I bought Sam's copy as this. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Yeah your correct on that mick .. that’s how I remember it! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mgm 1251 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mick Holdsworth said: Only remember it covered up as Lenny Curtis - Not Another Day - I bought Sam's copy as this. I'm most likely wrong,but I'm sure I see somewhere it was LJ....unless it was the other way round,LJ was covered as AD... Edited December 13, 2023 by Mgm 1251 Add on... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Stranger things happened back then.. harder to find records because we never really knew who sang what.. very interesting times looking for the wrong records Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Carty Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 5 hours ago, Keamus said: Record Collector Volume 1 compilation LP from 1980 on Destiny credits Nev Wherry as first to give it a spin. Whatever happen to Volume 2? Dave Withers sold me his copy in 1980 when this album was released , for £25.00 . There were very few copies in circulation at that time , think Dave had paid considerably more for it , however , the Lp track release killed its exclusivity and I was the happy benefactor . Sold it a couple of years later to someone from down South , for a similar amount plus some other stuff then read it was getting plays at the 100 club . . Even today , I feel some attachment to the record and cant help getting a twisted feeling of regret mixed with satisfaction when I see the way it has rocketed in price , regret obviously as I let it go ,and have no chance of getting it back, also the satisfaction of knowing that I once had this and several other very rare and expensive discs through my hands back in the day . Silent Treatment is the one that I think about most though . 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Spook Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 I'll give mine (my utube copy) a spin at "the Boat" Nottingham 22nd December unless Simon or Ted play it 1st. Doris Catterall usually asks me to play it for her. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) i distinctly remember Rob Smith playing this, late 70's Nottm Palais . never heard it again, until the warm up, in the pub, opposite the rocket nighters, about 20 years ago. actually, scrap that. the record im thinking of, was Brice Coefield. D'oh ! Edited December 14, 2023 by Ian Parker Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Yeah defo rob played it Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 12/12/2023 at 21:42, Hippo said: I have some cassettes here with Sam playing it at St. Ives etc in 1979 Well, I think I deserve at least one thumbs up for shouting out that Nev and Martin (B) both had and played this out! It was nearly 50 years ago, I was only ten. Seriously, it's definitely in my top ten sounds. Any more memories, views or information would be very appreciated. Thanks Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, Peter99 said: Well, I think I deserve at least one thumbs up for shouting out that Nev and Martin (B) both had and played this out! It was nearly 50 years ago, I was only ten. Seriously, it's definitely in my top ten sounds. Any more memories, views or information would be very appreciated. Thanks Peter I only have 1 cassette from Bedford - Brian Rea & Nev. Nev plays: jimmy Thomas Cheryl grey gems little hank r dean Taylor ellusions Stella star Herbie goins del larks john ford Joe Frasier Jessica James blue chips I think it's the first of his spots, so maybe AD in the next? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) On 13/12/2023 at 07:25, Keamus said: Record Collector Volume 1 compilation LP from 1980 on Destiny credits Nev Wherry as first to give it a spin. Whatever happen to Volume 2? Don’t think it credits them as the first just who was spinning it at the time cause half the records on that compilation weren’t first played by the Dj named if I remember correctly. Arin Demain was a John Manship discovery from a trip to Pittsburgh. He made it a Cleethorpes biggie before selling it to Nev after a year. Edited December 16, 2023 by Chalky 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) Here is the actual real-history of this 45. As documented in June 2022 on the John Manship Wednesday auction. Welcome home old friend.. First discovered in a neat and tidy man-cave record-room, in Pittsburgh during an one of my early buying trips in May 1977. Taken back to the UK but not put up for sale, but instead straight into the DJ box covered up as "Lenny Curtis - Not Another Day" featuring as my last spin of my sets for over a year; becoming an iconic Cleethorpes Winter Gardens, finale play. To rise up from that lowly position to high priority on east-coast collectors wish lists - and has remained there ever since. The “Cleethorpes” DJ habit for playing something slower than the norm, very soulful as their exit disc, started out as an “in” joke because the next DJ would be playing to a nearly empty dance floor, which was all in good fun to begin with. But when Tony Middleton’s “Paris Blues” rose from a funeral paced Beat Ballad stroller into an unlikely dancefloor packer, the search was on for similar discs to spin last, giving an identity to your DJ set. This 45 and "Paris Blues" added to the rich texture of diversity the Cleethorpes days were built upon. After a year I moved it onto the to fellow Cleethorpes DJ Nev Wherry, who went on to lift its popularity even higher. The next copy found ended up at Wigan Casino and Arin Demain's journey from Pittsburgh, Pa. to one of the most-wanted Northern Soul record of the late 70's was complete. Very few copies have been discovered since, the rarity provenance of this fabulous tune, is now set in stone and still talked about and salivated over 47 years later. So now enter “Ernie Lucas” with a perfect candidate, by any standard of the times “Silent Treatment” may have slower than the norm, but shimmering with so much “Real Soul” the appreciation grew and grew so that this disc joined “Paris Blues” in adjusting dancefloor tastes. Today after decades of fruitless searches and challenging quests of trying to grapple a copy away from the few known owners, or sniping a copy on the internet, ends usually in total frustration for most all who have tried - in short this is one thoroughly Soulful 45 that is damn-difficult to acquire - but we all love a collecting challenge don't we. Nev Wherry at the time in 1978 was working for John Manship Records at 25 Baldocks Lane, Melton Mowbray I was glad to sell him my copy, to keep the "Lenny Curtis" legacy going, which he did so well. Edited December 16, 2023 by Chalky 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 I remember that so well .. welcome home old friend because it was me that won the auction that night in June .. I don’t remember John playing out not disputing that he did I remember Nev playing it and always connected Arin demain to nevs name when he sadly passed away. Iconic record for a lot of people 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 (edited) oooops , cant embed a link. one on ebay at mo, over 2k and rising Edited December 16, 2023 by Ian Parker Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 I think it does £3k by the time you get it home Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Torch56 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Re: The Record Collector LP. The sleeve notes refer to the songs and where and when they were played and by whom. Back in 1980, pre-internet and before the plethora of northern soul books that have since emerged, they were a valuable record of part of the history of the scene. Hats off to whoever came up with the idea. Neil Rushton? 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Chalky said: Here is the actual real-history of this 45. As documented in June 2022 on the John Manship Wednesday auction. Welcome home old friend.. First discovered in a neat and tidy man-cave record-room, in Pittsburgh during an one of my early buying trips in May 1977. Taken back to the UK but not put up for sale, but instead straight into the DJ box covered up as "Lenny Curtis - Not Another Day" featuring as my last spin of my sets for over a year; becoming an iconic Cleethorpes Winter Gardens, finale play. To rise up from that lowly position to high priority on east-coast collectors wish lists - and has remained there ever since. The “Cleethorpes” DJ habit for playing something slower than the norm, very soulful as their exit disc, started out as an “in” joke because the next DJ would be playing to a nearly empty dance floor, which was all in good fun to begin with. But when Tony Middleton’s “Paris Blues” rose from a funeral paced Beat Ballad stroller into an unlikely dancefloor packer, the search was on for similar discs to spin last, giving an identity to your DJ set. This 45 and "Paris Blues" added to the rich texture of diversity the Cleethorpes days were built upon. After a year I moved it onto the to fellow Cleethorpes DJ Nev Wherry, who went on to lift its popularity even higher. The next copy found ended up at Wigan Casino and Arin Demain's journey from Pittsburgh, Pa. to one of the most-wanted Northern Soul record of the late 70's was complete. Very few copies have been discovered since, the rarity provenance of this fabulous tune, is now set in stone and still talked about and salivated over 47 years later. So now enter “Ernie Lucas” with a perfect candidate, by any standard of the times “Silent Treatment” may have slower than the norm, but shimmering with so much “Real Soul” the appreciation grew and grew so that this disc joined “Paris Blues” in adjusting dancefloor tastes. Today after decades of fruitless searches and challenging quests of trying to grapple a copy away from the few known owners, or sniping a copy on the internet, ends usually in total frustration for most all who have tried - in short this is one thoroughly Soulful 45 that is damn-difficult to acquire - but we all love a collecting challenge don't we. Nev Wherry at the time in 1978 was working for John Manship Records at 25 Baldocks Lane, Melton Mowbray I was glad to sell him my copy, to keep the "Lenny Curtis" legacy going, which he did so well. Thanks for digging that out Mr Chalkster! Peter 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 I also notice it is in the track listing of a destiny lp from 1980,so it must have been a well known tune even by 1980,oddly though the blue sharks is on the lp too? 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Dobber said: I also notice it is in the track listing of a destiny lp from 1980,so it must have been a well known tune even by 1980,oddly though the blue sharks is on the lp too? Yes you're right Dobber. The Blue Sharks were on that LP, there were some great tracks on there. We've had some good threads on the Blue Sharks - very interesting who they actually were. I don't want to skew the thread, but, I seem to recall that the album was re-released, but that might be another comp album I'm thinking of. Martin B, (Soul Sam), I'm quite certain majored that one. I'll pm if you that's ok. So back to Silent Treatment. It seems as rare as it is superb. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 I sold my copy Saturday and can honestly say if I had 10 copy’s they would not hang around for long … popular record Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Julianb Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Gary Lee said: I sold my copy Saturday and can honestly say if I had 10 copy’s they would not hang around for long … popular record Did you make a profit? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 No I sold it to a friend for what it owed me but other copy’s I’ve had sell very quickly.. good records don’t hang about Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Peter99 Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Gary Lee said: No I sold it to a friend for what it owed me but other copy’s I’ve had sell very quickly.. good records don’t hang about Other copies I've had............................... You're a lucky man Gary. A lovely record once, but to have had a few through your hands. Well done my friend, good hunting. All the best. Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gary Brickwood Posted December 19, 2023 Share Posted December 19, 2023 Thanks Peter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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