Could any members tell me how to spot an original Billy Arnell - Tough Girl from the unofficial Boot with the same label ( other than they will probably look brand new ) , many thanks.

Both labels on the boot say 1001-A where as on the original side 2 is 1001-B also see position of word inst/instrumental. Real one top

Edited August 19, 20231 yr by John A

Many thanks John.

 

I wonder what an original is worth now? Not seen one for sale in quite a while?

Edited August 20, 20231 yr by Ady Potts

One on Tim Brown's auction. Currently £700. I think it will go into four figures.

  On 20/08/2023 at 11:20, Julianb said:

One on Tim Brown's auction. Currently £700. I think it will go into four figures.

I genuinely hadn't spotted that.

I've never heard the other track they recorded, the intended flip side, "Little Baby". They dropped it last minute in favour of the instrumental. Probably worked out best for the Northern Soul world. They were billed as "Little Willie & the Sparkles", with 17 year old Billy Smith doing the vocal.

  On 20/08/2023 at 10:58, Ady Potts said:

I wonder what an original is worth now? Not seen one for sale in quite a while?

I vaguely recall a copy in a Manship auction in the last year or two, but don’t remember the final value it went for. A copy was put in Soul-Source Sales a few years ago priced at £1,750. I reckon it’s a 2K record in excellent condition these days.

  On 20/08/2023 at 13:16, Ady Potts said:

 They dropped it last minute in favour of the instrumental. Probably worked out best for the Northern Soul world. 

Yes as you probably know, when it first got played in the Wigan Casino era, it was the instrumental that was the big sound!💫

Edited August 20, 20231 yr by Solidsoul

  On 20/08/2023 at 15:58, Solidsoul said:

Yes as you probably know, when it first got played in the Wigan Casino era, it was the instrumental that was the big sound!💫

Mick Bolan RIP discovered it when he was at Past & Present Records in Watford. He told me he had an acetate cut of it & that was what got played at Wigan. I have that acetate.

The copy on Tim's auction sounds "well used". This may hold back the finishing amount. So, I think it'll give a ballpark current value but I'd expect a less "well used" copy to fetch more.

Manship auction June 2022 realised £2,600. Another thread on Soul Source re this. Awesome pair of tunes - one of the best double-siders around.

I can confirm that a copy was bought for £3k earlier this year (and, no, not by myself).

Here is the man, probably late 1960's early 70's 

Edited August 20, 20231 yr by Soul-slider

  On 20/08/2023 at 21:31, Mod Life Crisis said:

I can confirm that a copy was bought for £3k earlier this year (and, no, not by myself).

Think I'll put mine in the playbox. It's not seen 'the light of day' for 20+ years!

  On 20/08/2023 at 21:43, Soul-slider said:

Here is the man, probably late 1960's early 70's 

Looks like the Yorkshire ripper😂

  On 21/08/2023 at 09:35, Dobber said:

Looks like the Yorkshire ripper😂

😆

At first glance, I thought it was Dave Godin.

  On 22/08/2023 at 08:21, Julianb said:

At first glance, I thought it was Dave Godin.

Or maybe Jeff lynn elo 😂

Is the Billy Arnell original styrene or vinyl l can't remember

Tks

Apologies everyone, it was £2K that was paid for this record earlier this year.

  On 22/08/2023 at 15:17, Utc said:

Is the Billy Arnell original styrene or vinyl l can't remember

Tks

Vinyl

Thanks Ady might have a try for it if vinyl

Chris

  On 20/08/2023 at 18:24, Ady Potts said:

Mick Bolan RIP discovered it when he was at Past & Present Records in Watford. He told me he had an acetate cut of it & that was what got played at Wigan. I have that acetate.

Interesting that Ady. I wonder if that's where Sam had his original from he was playing out at St Ives in early 77 bearing in mind Gloria Jones played St Ives in 76 and MB was there with her.....always up for a theory me.😉

  On 23/08/2023 at 06:38, Merve said:

Interesting that Ady. I wonder if that's where Sam had his original from he was playing out at St Ives in early 77 bearing in mind Gloria Jones played St Ives in 76 and MB was there with her.....always up for a theory me.😉

Most likely Martyn. MB had sold it because it wasn't in his collection that I bought from him. I asked where it was, sadly I can't remember who he said he sold it to. That's how the information regarding the acetate came out, in that conversation.

 

Edited August 23, 20231 yr by Ady Potts

  On 23/08/2023 at 08:20, Ady Potts said:

Most likely Martyn. MB had sold it because it wasn't in his collection that I bought from him. I asked where it was, sadly I can't remember who he said he sold it to. That's how the information regarding the acetate came out, in that conversation.

 

I think Stef orlinski, of Biddulph had MB's copy, not sure who he sold it on to. 

£960 at 16.43 - auction closes at 18.00 today

 

 

My bid cheers you lot 

  On 24/08/2023 at 15:49, Steviehay said:

My bid cheers you lot 

Outta my league now I bid to 1,100 but now its jumped to 2,5000 welcome to it at that price best of whoever 

£960 at 16.43 - auction closes at 18.00 today

 

 

Somebody's got trapped in the auction process - thought they'd bid high to prevent getting sniped at the death, probably not realising - That their top bid became the actual high bid amount the moment they clicked confirm ( maybe not but seen it happen so many times) These auctions don't operate like Ebay.

Somebody's not double checked before submitting their bid - current high bid £100,100 !!!!!!!

 

Edited August 24, 20231 yr by Bo Diddley

Billy glitch has been sorted. I’ll post all auction prices as soon as I get them.  

I'm pretty sure that Billy Arnell finished up at £2,500.00

the guy furthest right would have been well surprised! Sparkles 1963 ( pre Tough Girl)

Edited August 24, 20231 yr by Kenb

My fault it ended up ar 2,500