Jim Elliott Posted December 30, 2004 Posted December 30, 2004 Recently whilst propping up the bar at a local soul nite, a dj(?) played a track by young Lisa. As much as I like her voice and do confess to owning a cd of hers I'm not sure that it constitutes Soul does it? Dance music maybe. To top it all whilst out doing the crimbo shopping I found a cd alledgedly of the rare soul variety compiled by someone who really should know better with said track on!! Has it come to this? I mean seriously, we've all got records at home which we'd love to hear out but never do, I mean when was the last time you heard an Esquires or Artistics tune played at a soul nite?? Is it me? Jim.
pikeys dog Posted December 30, 2004 Posted December 30, 2004 Is it me? link No..... Sick and tired of hearing so called 'top' DJs playing second rate tat like this and that poxy Kenny Thomas 'Crazy World'. Was the same DJs that hammered that other ahem 'Modern' abomination by Gayle Adams...... WOOF!
Supercorsa Posted December 30, 2004 Posted December 30, 2004 Isn't Lisa Stansfield married to Ian Levine?
Guest Trevski Posted December 30, 2004 Posted December 30, 2004 Isn't Lisa Stansfield married to Ian Levine? link You mean Lisa Stansfield is really a bloke?
Daved Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 Agreed, particularly about Lisa Stansfield, but I wouldn't confuse those types of records with modern soul. They normally wouldn't get played in modern rooms at all. I find it strange that some northern dj's have latched onto them.
Guest Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 Do the same opinions apply to Lulu? is her voice soulful? IMO I don't think so but some of her records appear on soul compilations why
Guest Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 Do the same opinions apply to Lulu? is her voice soulful? IMO I don't think so but some of her records appear on soul compilations why link Lulu actually recorded at Muscle Shoals in 1970, her version of "Feeling Allright" is brilliant, so if the Muscle Shoals Sound outfit wanted to record with her then that is good enough for me.......
Chalky Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 Lulu actually recorded at Muscle Shoals in 1970, her version of "Feeling Allright" is brilliant, so if the Muscle Shoals Sound outfit wanted to record with her then that is good enough for me....... link Does that make it soul tho'. Muscle Shoals probably done more Country and Western and pop than soul
Guest Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 Does that make it soul tho'. Muscle Shoals probably done more Country and Western and pop than soul link I like the track,no more no less........we end up going round in circles on here don't we.....PS....explain SOUL
Guest Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 (edited) Does that make it soul tho'. Muscle Shoals probably done more Country and Western and pop than soul link MuscleShoals Sound Studios 1000 Alabama Avenue,Sheffield, Alabama Discography 1965-1970 Recordingsassociated with Muscle Shoals Sound and the MuscleShoals Sound Rhythm Section 1965 Searching for my love(LP-45) Bobby Moore& The Rhythm Aces Road Runner(LP) The Gants Tell Mama(LP-45) Etta James 1966 Sweet Soul Music(LP-45) ArthurConley When A Man Loves A Woman(45) PercySledge Too Weak To Fight(45) ClarenceCarter The Exiting Wilson Pickett(LP) WilsonPickett Land of A 1,000 Dances(45) WilsonPickett Mustang Sally(45) Wilson Pickett Do Right Woman, Do right Man(45) ArethaFranklin Chain Of Fools(45) ArethaFranklin I never Loved A Man (The Way That I Loved You)(LP-45) ArethaFranklin 1967 I'm your Puppet(LP-45) James & BobbyPurify Shake Rattle and Roll(45) ArthurConley King Curtis Plays The Great Memphis Hits(LP) KingCurtis Dreamer(LP) Patti LaBelle & TheBluebells Aretha Arrives(LP) ArethaFranklin The House That Jack Built(45) ArethaFranklin Since You've Been Gone(45) ArethaFranklin Respect(45) Aretha Franklin Baby I Love You(45) ArethaFranklin Slip Away(45) Clarence Carter The Uniques(LP) Joe Stampley & TheUniques I'd Rather Be an Old Man'sSweetheart Than a Young Man's Fool(45) CandiStaton 1968 Lady Soul(LP) Aretha Franklin Now(LP) Aretha Franklin See Saw(45) Aretha Franklin Think(45) Aretha Franklin This is Clarence Carter(LP) ClarenceCarter Take Time To Know Her(45) PercySledge 1969 Mourning in The Morning(LP-45) OtisRush More Sweet Soul Music(LP) ArthurConley Aretha's Gold(LP) Aretha Frankiin Testifying(LP-45) Clarence Carter 3614 Jackson Highway(LP) Cher Hey Jude(LP-45) Wilson Pickett Loan Me A Dime(45) Boz Scaggs Boz Scaggs(LP) Boz Scaggs Glass Onion(LP-45) Arif Mardin Take A Letter Maria(45) R.B.Greaves 3614 Jackson Hwy Cher 1970 Ronnie Hawkins(LP) Ronnie Hawkins Muscle Shoals Nitty Gritty(LP) HerbieMann A Little bit of Soap(45) PaulDavis This Girl's In Love With You(45) ArethaFranklin There's Always Something There To Remind Me(45) R.B. Greaves New Routes(LP) R.B.Greaves Oh Me, Oh My(45) Lulu Right On(LP) Wilson Pickett Sugar, Sugar(45) Wilson Pickett Southern Friend(LP) John Hammond Stealing In The name Of The Lord(45) PaulKelly Call Me(45) Aretha Franklin Eleanor Rigby(45) Aretha Franklin There is a little bit of Soul in that bunch Chalky.......isn't there Edited December 31, 2004 by Brett
Guest miff Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 I happen to like it 8 letters 3 words 1 meaning Sums up I Love You, IMO Good Point on the Dance tune , Is it Soul , Well thats down to personal taste, maybe not the most soulfull song around but then there are plenty of very soulful tunes that are not dance records my fave and IMO most soulfull tune is attached
Guest miff Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 I happen to like it 8 letters 3 words 1 meaning Sums up I Love You, IMO Good Point on the Dance tune , Is it Soul , Well thats down to personal taste, maybe not the most soulfull song around but then there are plenty of very soulful tunes that are not dance records my fave and IMO most soulfull tune is Betty lavetee "your turn to cry"Closley folled by Arethea Franklin "Angel
Chalky Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 MuscleShoals Sound Studios 1000 Alabama Avenue,Sheffield, Alabama Discography 1965-1970 Recordingsassociated with Muscle Shoals Sound and the MuscleShoals Sound Rhythm Section 1965 Searching for my love(LP-45) Bobby Moore& The Rhythm Aces Road Runner(LP) The Gants Tell Mama(LP-45) Etta James 1966 Sweet Soul Music(LP-45) ArthurConley When A Man Loves A Woman(45) PercySledge Too Weak To Fight(45) ClarenceCarter The Exiting Wilson Pickett(LP) WilsonPickett Land of A 1,000 Dances(45) WilsonPickett Mustang Sally(45) Wilson Pickett Do Right Woman, Do right Man(45) ArethaFranklin Chain Of Fools(45) ArethaFranklin I never Loved A Man (The Way That I Loved You)(LP-45) ArethaFranklin 1967 I'm your Puppet(LP-45) James & BobbyPurify Shake Rattle and Roll(45) ArthurConley King Curtis Plays The Great Memphis Hits(LP) KingCurtis Dreamer(LP) Patti LaBelle & TheBluebells Aretha Arrives(LP) ArethaFranklin The House That Jack Built(45) ArethaFranklin Since You've Been Gone(45) ArethaFranklin Respect(45) Aretha Franklin Baby I Love You(45) ArethaFranklin Slip Away(45) Clarence Carter The Uniques(LP) Joe Stampley & TheUniques I'd Rather Be an Old Man'sSweetheart Than a Young Man's Fool(45) CandiStaton 1968 Lady Soul(LP) Aretha Franklin Now(LP) Aretha Franklin See Saw(45) Aretha Franklin Think(45) Aretha Franklin This is Clarence Carter(LP) ClarenceCarter Take Time To Know Her(45) PercySledge 1969 Mourning in The Morning(LP-45) OtisRush More Sweet Soul Music(LP) ArthurConley Aretha's Gold(LP) Aretha Frankiin Testifying(LP-45) Clarence Carter 3614 Jackson Highway(LP) Cher Hey Jude(LP-45) Wilson Pickett Loan Me A Dime(45) Boz Scaggs Boz Scaggs(LP) Boz Scaggs Glass Onion(LP-45) Arif Mardin Take A Letter Maria(45) R.B.Greaves 3614 Jackson Hwy Cher 1970 Ronnie Hawkins(LP) Ronnie Hawkins Muscle Shoals Nitty Gritty(LP) HerbieMann A Little bit of Soap(45) PaulDavis This Girl's In Love With You(45) ArethaFranklin There's Always Something There To Remind Me(45) R.B. Greaves New Routes(LP) R.B.Greaves Oh Me, Oh My(45) Lulu Right On(LP) Wilson Pickett Sugar, Sugar(45) Wilson Pickett Southern Friend(LP) John Hammond Stealing In The name Of The Lord(45) PaulKelly Call Me(45) Aretha Franklin Eleanor Rigby(45) Aretha Franklin There is a little bit of Soul in that bunch Chalky.......isn't there link I agree there is but I dares bet there's even more C&W
Guest miff Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 I happen to like it 8 letters 3 words 1 meaning Sums up I Love You, IMO Good Point on the Dance tune , Is it Soul , Well thats down to personal taste, maybe not the most soulfull song around but then there are plenty of very soulful tunes that are not dance records my fave and IMO most soulfull tune is Betty lavetee "your turn to cry"Closley folled by Arethea Franklin "Angel
Garethx Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 Fame Studios, and the splinter studios led by successive waves of musicians disgruntled with Fame owner Rick Hall like Muscle Shoals Sound, Wishbone etc. cut very little country & western. None in the 1960s and only a smattering in the 1970s. More mainstream pop and rock maybe as the area became almost a victim of its success in soul terms, but almost no country. Good call on the Bettye Lavette. How did we get from Lisa Stansfield to one of the best soul records ever?
Guest miff Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 I happen to like it 8 letters 3 words 1 meaning Sums up I Love You, IMO Good Point on the Dance tune , Is it Soul , Well thats down to personal taste, maybe not the most soulfull song around but then there are plenty of very soulful tunes that are not dance records my fave and IMO most soulfull tune is Betty lavetee "your turn to cry"Closley folled by Arethea Franklin "Angel
Chalky Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 Fame Studios, and the splinter studios led by successive waves of musicians disgruntled with Fame owner Rick Hall like Muscle Shoals Sound, Wishbone etc. cut very little country & western. None in the 1960s and only a smattering in the 1970s. More mainstream pop and rock maybe as the area became almost a victim of its success in soul terms, but almost no country. Good call on the Bettye Lavette. How did we get from Lisa Stansfield to one of the best soul records ever? link The C&W must have come later then. Didn't the Osmonds record at Fame?
Billy Freemantle Posted December 31, 2004 Posted December 31, 2004 (edited) Lulu actually recorded at Muscle Shoals in 1970, her version of "Feeling Allright" is brilliant, so if the Muscle Shoals Sound outfit wanted to record with her then that is good enough for me....... link Have never heard the Muscle Shoals Lulu. People tell me that she got close to the sound of Bettye Lavette at her peak. Must admit that I liked Lulu's voice as soon as I heard her sing when she was 16. To me she had more Soul than other white artists like Janis Joplin. A much more natural, less copying Otis, voice. Edited December 31, 2004 by Billy Freemantle
Soulsmith Posted January 1, 2005 Posted January 1, 2005 8.3.1 is a good happy, clappy, trappy record! It got played last nite & as far as I could see everybody seemed to be loving it. Sure if you analyise it ur gonna find some fault with it. Particularly if you don't like modern soul! Looking back to Wigan days (yawn!) sometimes we danced to a right load of old crap. Did we pontificate on the relative pedigree of certain records.......... or did we just get out there on the dance floor and have a good time? I know I just had a good time. Do I regret having a good time? Of course not.
Guest Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Have never heard the Muscle Shoals Lulu. People tell me that she got close to the sound of Bettye Lavette at her peak. Must admit that I liked Lulu's voice as soon as I heard her sing when she was 16. To me she had more Soul than other white artists like Janis Joplin. A much more natural, less copying Otis, voice. link I read one of marco`s play list recently!!on top lulu,Try to understnd,decca lp track,i was playin` this at party once got slaged off!!,this is a good tune,there is a black version who`s name escapes me,any way this is race music!!scottish!!,now geting plays how much is my decca 45,worth?,ho and who was at the party!!marco,bet he dont remember,janet`s house,stoke newington!,i have known this tune for 20plus year`s and do still like it!!.your`s(backdoor)100club.
Guest Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 janet`s house,stoke newington!,i have known this tune for 20plus year`s and do still like it!!.your`s(backdoor)100club. link Talking of Janet, how is she?
Guest Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Talking of Janet, how is she? link not quite sure!bit down i thinks try`d to ring her no reply,
Guest Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 not quite sure!bit down i thinks try`d to ring her no reply, link send my love to her if you see/hear from her x
Billywhizz Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 8.3.1 is a good happy, clappy, trappy record! It got played last nite & as far as I could see everybody seemed to be loving it. Sure if you analyise it ur gonna find some fault with it. Particularly if you don't like modern soul! Looking back to Wigan days (yawn!) sometimes we danced to a right load of old crap. Did we pontificate on the relative pedigree of certain records.......... or did we just get out there on the dance floor and have a good time? I know I just had a good time. Do I regret having a good time? Of course not. link 831 is a good track but it's not on 45 on C.D I hope these main events are not playing C.D.Cheers Billy
Guest Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 831 is a good track but it's not on 45 on C.D I hope these main events are not playing C.D.Cheers Billy link at the event i was at it was played on a 10 inch acetate no names of the dj or venue
Billywhizz Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 at the event i was at it was played on a 10 inch acetate no names of the dj or venue link why not tim
Soulsmith Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 It was a private news eve bash for all the local soulies. Dunno who played it, could have been on 78 for all I care! Do remember every body having a good time though. Regret to advise Pipkins 50 is not Tim.
Guest Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Nice to see so many open minds here. Personally I'd rather hear the same old records week in week out week in week out week in ...... Zzzzzzzz..............
Soulsmith Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Simon, I've got an open mind. Happy to chat about Lisa Stansfield but am not too sure where ur taking the thread?
Guest Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Col, wasn't a pop at you mate, more the earlier posts about the record. I'm not a huge fan of the lisa Stansfeild track, but I don't dislike it either. It's a good dance record, so is Kenny Thomas and so is Gayle Adams. Makes me larf tho the way people think some of the hardcore northern stuff is soul when in fact its just not very good whether a black man or a white man - or woman is singing it. Fact is, the British are making better soul/dance records than the Yanks in the main these days. Lemar for instance is great. Me, I love it all.
pikeys dog Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Lemar for instance is great. link Now I know you are taking the piss. WOOF!
Guest Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Now I know you are taking the piss. WOOF! link id rather listen to my ma then bloody lemar
Soulsmith Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Certainly agree with most of your comments. I think most people are on Lisa Stanfields case 'cos everybody knows she's white & from Rochdale. Its a form of inverted snobbery. I certainly wouldn't advocate over playing the record - particularly with the London rare soul mafia around! But in the right place on the right night it will add to most peoples enjoyment. Certainly did for me on news years eve. Mrs Soulsmith also likes it. Regret, have never heard anything by Lemar.
Billywhizz Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Nice to see so many open minds here. Personally I'd rather hear the same old records week in week out week in week out week in ...... Zzzzzzzz.............. link Hi Simon I rather travel over hundreds of miles a month to listen to different sounds gives me a buzz as well a spin LOL happy new year. Cheers Billy PS. I'll be over for a cuppa later
Guest Posted January 2, 2005 Posted January 2, 2005 Agreed entirely on the inverted snobbery - lots and lots of that around ! And some angry hangovers too by the look of it. I'm back to lurking and a Staples Singers album to soothe me down.
Guest Posted January 3, 2005 Posted January 3, 2005 id rather listen to my ma then bloody lemar link Im sorry but I do like Lemar and Lisa Stansfield, I feel you have to have an open mind of music they are better than Busted or McFly!!!
Dave Posted January 3, 2005 Posted January 3, 2005 Now I know you are taking the piss. WOOF! link Oi, have you listened to "Dedicated", you bad tempered old mongrel, you?
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