Motown collection.

[Davey S]

Hi

Just read J Ms article about the Kim Weston rarity on Tamla and mentions a copy coming from " one of the most complete motown collections ".

So here's a question,  how many ( 45s ) in that collection roughly ?

Dave.

[Dave Evans]

Hi Dave 

Well let's try and sort out your query

Black label British releases 501 to about 1050 roughly 550 singles 

Then you can double this if you want to include Demo's 

From around 1050 to 1446 ish are on blue motown when the company moved to LA, and same again double this if you want to include demo's and 12inch releases

Roughly 501 to 1446, 945 British releases 

This is not including Stateside, Tamla, Motown, Soul, Gordy, VIP, Mowest, demo's it's quite a long list with many variations 

Hope this helps 

Dave 

[Davey S]

Yes it's a start I know it can get quite involved but it must run into the tens of thousands or more.

Thanks Dave

[Nick Soule]

He states that he bought the collection in the early 80s, so assuming it was before the consolidated series, there were about 1,500 US 45 releases at that point. Multiply that by label variations and promos and the number is a lot higher, but probably not in the tens of thousands, at least not with just US releases. 

Edited October 13, 2022 by Nick Soule

[Stephen Yoxall]

A friend of mine needs 9 demos to finish the set (British tmgs) and he as most of the hard ones all the eps and albums  but would still  be quite expensive to finish the set but they are lovely to look through and handle might sound a bit wrong but a red and white looks fantastic on a spinning turntable 

If you are collecting the TMGs good luck with your hunting 

 

Atb yocky 

 

[Dave Evans]

Is that me old pal Yocky the world famous DJ from Barnsley 

Hi guys I'm down to needing the last 9 black tamla motown but as others have stated its now getting really expensive to get the last few 

 

Best wishes Dave from Mansfield 

 

 

[Stephen Yoxall]

It is dave lol hope your well pm me on here with the numbers you are looking for and I will ask him as I think he as the issues and replace them when he gets the demos 

Take care atb yocky 

[Chalky]

Just by typing "Tamla Motown" into  45 Cat it gives you 714 entries.

Then you have Fontana, Stateside, London & Oriole.

Discogs gives you 8,672 entries, that's Lps, 45s, Eps, demos, issues, variants etc and probably a lot of duplication?

[Davey S]

Had a brief look on 45cat and worldwide you are possibly looking at (45s only ) roughly 4000 releases give or take from what I can make out so a huge label to collect. 

Plus lps.

[Dave Evans]

Hi Yocky 

Myself and the missus ain't seen you for a few years now. 

How's your missus, hopefully she's OK. 

Black tamla motown nos 508, 512, 514, 521, 544, 551, 554, 561, 580, 720, 843, and 867

I know 720 is Demo only and missed off the couple of 800s.

Do your best for me mate 

Hope to see you soon buddy 

Dave KTF 

 

[Chalky]

51 minutes ago, Davey S said:

Had a brief look on 45cat and worldwide you are possibly looking at (45s only ) roughly 4000 releases give or take from what I can make out so a huge label to collect. 

Plus lps.

The US label is one of the most complicated to collect if you are bothered about what is in the runout groove, different matrix etc.

[Carty]

 I initially thought  tens of thousands was way over the top , however ,  when you take all the different presses ,demos , and there must also be several thousand releases from places other than the U.S.  and UK, Not to mention Album releases Worldwide , it soon starts to add up . 

[Davey S]

16 minutes ago, Carty said:

 I initially thought  tens of thousands was way over the top , however ,  when you take all the different presses ,demos , and there must also be several thousand releases from places other than the U.S.  and UK, Not to mention Album releases Worldwide , it soon starts to add up . 

Yep I bet you'd be over 10,000

 

[Zoomsoulblue]

I did hear a rumour late 70ts that Tony Blackman had the complete set on black and a large number of demos -

[Chalky]

1 hour ago, Zoomsoulblue said:

I did hear a rumour late 70ts that Tony Blackman had the complete set on black and a large number of demos -

UK or US?

 

[Alan Bonthrone1]

2 hours ago, Zoomsoulblue said:

I did hear a rumour late 70ts that Tony Blackman had the complete set on black and a large number of demos -

Blackburn?

[Stephen Yoxall]

14 hours ago, Dave Evans said:

Hi Yocky 

Myself and the missus ain't seen you for a few years now. 

How's your missus, hopefully she's OK. 

Black tamla motown nos 508, 512, 514, 521, 544, 551, 554, 561, 580, 720, 843, and 867

I know 720 is Demo only and missed off the couple of 800s.

Do your best for me mate 

Hope to see you soon buddy 

Dave KTF 

 

Pmd you dave cheers yocky 

[Zoomsoulblue]

3 hours ago, Alan Bonthrone1 said:

Blackburn?

May bad  dam spell checker

[Jules]

6 hours ago, Zoomsoulblue said:

I did hear a rumour late 70ts that Tony Blackman had the complete set on black and a large number of demos -

I am sure I have heard him say on radio 2 that he has no vinyl whatsoever and was quite happy to get rid of them all

[Zoomsoulblue]

3 hours ago, Jules said:

I am sure I have heard him say on radio 2 that he has no vinyl whatsoever and was quite happy to get rid of them all

Wonder where his collection went

[Jules]

21 hours ago, Zoomsoulblue said:

Wonder where his collection went

just a guess, but, Phil "the collector" has a lot to do with his 60`s show, so....

[Mgm 1251]

I believe the late Pete Mitchell of Pete and Geoff fame(Virgin Radio,amongst other things)also had a complete run of Black and Silver issues...