Royal esquires ???

[Steviehay]

Erm always around the 100-150 mark but this is another shot up in price ebay reputed sellers as well nearly 400 ?? What the hell is going on if someone wants mine pm me 

[Merve]

1 hour ago, Steviehay said:

Erm always around the 100-150 mark but this is another shot up in price ebay reputed sellers as well nearly 400 ?? What the hell is going on if someone wants mine pm me 

One up now for £650 !!!! I agree, its a 100 to 200 sound depending upon condition 

[Supercorsa]

There's a number of records that recently, in my opinion are being over priced, not just this one.  Records that were commonly seen at  between £150 to £250, now seem to be listed at £350+.

Many now out of the reach of alot of collectors.

[Benji]

1 hour ago, Steviehay said:

Erm always around the 100-150 mark but this is another shot up in price ebay reputed sellers as well nearly 400 ?? What the hell is going on if someone wants mine pm me 

Last copy on Discogs went for 400 quid in June 22. And the one before in May was $650. So there are infact people paying these prices. However, the copies before these two sold for 250/300 quid max. So there seems to be a rise in demand from whatever part of the world.

[Merve]

41 minutes ago, Benji said:

Last copy on Discogs went for 400 quid in June 22. And the one before in May was $650. So there are infact people paying these prices. However, the copies before these two sold for 250/300 quid max. So there seems to be a rise in demand from whatever part of the world.

I'm told that the b side is driving demand. Even so, it's not that rare !

[Benji]

Sounds reasonable, B-side is a nice lowrider sound.

It used to be shit-rare and four figures before a few NOS boxes were found and price went down. I guess even though many of these unplayed copies are in circulation demand is higher than supply these days.

[Mal C]

reminds me of Clara Hardy, was the same wasnt it...  I think it was an one off, at the time for Richard Searling...

[Frankie Crocker]

Big spin for Butch back in the day. Then a few turned up. Great record and still unexposed to the masses so hardly surprising people are waking up to it.

Prices are going bonkers just lately. Most sellers seem to want top dollar ie what the record just sold for on Manship’s auction or eBay. Records should be priced to sell - if they're too expensive, they won’t sell

[Amsterdam Russ]

1 hour ago, Frankie Crocker said:

Big spin for Butch back in the day.

It was a huge spin for Ian Clarke at the 100 Club back in the 80s, and always one of my favourites from those days (that intro - BANG!).

Can't fully recall the story now, and no idea how accurate it might have been anyway, but didn't he pay something like 500 quid for it at the time (very similar to the tale of Danny Moore's "Somebody new")? Then, as said, multiple copies turned up.

I recall being at a small soul night in a London pub post-2000 (with my old mate Chris Harvey aka Trickster - first time I'd seen him in an age), and a DJ played it stating it was an exclusive, thinking they'd discovered it for themselves. Of course, Chris and I pointed out the flaws in that belief.

But, wasn't it a Wigan spin for Richard Searling at some point in those far distant days known as the 70s?

The flip has been popular on the deep soul scene for many a year, so it's definitely a large fermented apple juice. 

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AKA - a double-sider. 

 

[Chalky]

It was Richard Searling's "Embers - Playing The Part Of A Fool" cover up at Wigan.  Gary Rushbrooke got one shortly after.  Keb then played it at Stafford.

Few turned up?  100s more like.  The finder got the whole remaining stock from the estate of whoever owned the label.

[Amsterdam Russ]

10 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Few turned up?  100s more like.  The finder got the whole remaining stock from the estate of whoever owned the label.

I'm curious - how many copies made up "the whole remaining stock"? Hundreds? Guesswork on your part, hearsay or fact? And did Keb or Ian Clarke play it first at the 100-Club-Stafford Siamese-twin thingy? I reckon it was Clarky. I always associate it with the latter from the 80s.

[Chalky]

35 minutes ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

I'm curious - how many copies made up "the whole remaining stock"? Hundreds? Guesswork on your part, hearsay or fact? And did Keb or Ian Clarke play it first at the 100-Club-Stafford Siamese-twin thingy? I reckon it was Clarky. I always associate it with the latter from the 80s.

Keb as far as I know, think he may have got Gary's?.  I guess we will never know the full amount found but it was well into three figures, enough has been said about the find in the past.  I don't remember Clarkie playing it at all TBH.

[Keamus]

Remember when the job lot turned up. Think about 2005 there was a constant stream of them appearing on eBay. Was it the label owner who was selling them?

[Chalky]

15 minutes ago, Keamus said:

Remember when the job lot turned up. Think about 2005 there was a constant stream of them appearing on eBay. Was it the label owner who was selling them?

No but that's where they came from

[Mot]

If I remember right......I bought one when the stock was found............think it was about £50 to £60............I'm sure I've seen it as low at £30 at one point.........really surprised its jumped up to the prices noted above............sold mine a long while ago now and struggled to get my money back on it!

Edited July 8, 2022 by Mot

[davidwapples]

I picked one up for 35 when the find had diluted the market and flipped it a couple of years later for 60 ish on trades.

 

Theres a lot out there now but most are now tucked away till the daft offers appear

[Solidsoul]

As mentioned earlier, it was a Richard Searling exclusive at Wigan Casino covered as the Embers. I remember thinking this is a record I will never be able to own. I was so pleased to be able to get one when they turned up in quantity.  Full on Northern Soul with a superb slower tempo flip.

I would never sell my copy and a lot of copies will be staying in serious collections! So market forces push up the price!

Edited July 8, 2022 by Solidsoul

[Mal C]

1 hour ago, Chalky said:

It was Richard Searling's "Embers - Playing The Part Of A Fool" cover up at Wigan.  Gary Rushbrooke got one shortly after.  Keb then played it at Stafford.

Few turned up?  100s more like.  The finder got the whole remaining stock from the estate of whoever owned the label.

I think one of the guys who contacted Clem Price used to sell on here? I bought an acetate of Joe King - Speak On Up from him on here, which has changed hands a few times since. all that Prix stock came from Clem Price, or as you say his estate.

[Blackpoolsoul]

This is the sales history on Discogs and includes the sellers country prices on the right

2022-06-21Near Mint (NM or M-)Mint (M)£399.95£399.95

Comments: Mint- condition vinyl with only one very small surface scratch noted on one side and labels both sides are mint.Only played a few times. Comes in original factory brown sleeve. Item will be sent the same day by Royal Mail Special Delivery very well packaged in double cardboard sleeve. This vinyl is super rare & recent previous Discogs sale exceeded £500. Any questions please contact me.

2022-05-14Near Mint (NM or M-)Not Graded£541.67$650.00

2022-03-01Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£285.00£285.00

Comments: Clean unmarked labels & Vinyl - Couple of small pressing bobbles

2022-02-04Near Mint (NM or M-)Not Graded£249.99£249.99

2021-11-03Very Good (VG)Generic£291.67$350.00

Comments: Gorgeous glossy copy with light wear/marks only. Pressing flaw bump on both sides which barely affects play. Excellent playback with some noise in the quiet parts. Nice labels. Pretty much VG+

2021-10-24Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£300.00£300.00

2021-07-01Very Good Plus (VG+)Not Graded£299.00£299.00

2021-04-27Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£250.00£250.00

Comments: Pressing bubbles NAP as with most copies, lovely clean vinyl

2021-03-29Near Mint (NM or M-)Not Graded£270.00£270.00

2021-01-20Near Mint (NM or M-)Near Mint (NM or M-)£200.00£200.00

Comments: Both sides play extremely well - has the pressing bubbles that most copies have but Ain't Gonna Run plays superb / Our Love Use To Be plays with a hint of background noise - record plays flat, labels are clean. Comes in white paper sleeve.

2020-12-20Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£270.00£270.00

Comments: FREE SHIPPING.

2020-07-05Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£175.00£175.00

Comments: I play checked this to make sure the couple of little pressing bubbles did not affect play, which they do not. Apart from that, it looks unplayed - in great condition, with clean labels and a plain sleeve

2020-04-26Very Good Plus (VG+)Not Graded£195.00£195.00

Comments: Excellent vinyl plays excellent retains lovely sheen clean labels

2020-04-15Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£145.83$175.00

Edited July 8, 2022 by Blackpoolsoul

[Steviehay]

51 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

This is the sales history on Discogs and includes the sellers country prices on the right

2022-06-21Near Mint (NM or M-)Mint (M)£399.95£399.95

Comments: Mint- condition vinyl with only one very small surface scratch noted on one side and labels both sides are mint.Only played a few times. Comes in original factory brown sleeve. Item will be sent the same day by Royal Mail Special Delivery very well packaged in double cardboard sleeve. This vinyl is super rare & recent previous Discogs sale exceeded £500. Any questions please contact me.

2022-05-14Near Mint (NM or M-)Not Graded£541.67$650.00

2022-03-01Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£285.00£285.00

Comments: Clean unmarked labels & Vinyl - Couple of small pressing bobbles

2022-02-04Near Mint (NM or M-)Not Graded£249.99£249.99

2021-11-03Very Good (VG)Generic£291.67$350.00

Comments: Gorgeous glossy copy with light wear/marks only. Pressing flaw bump on both sides which barely affects play. Excellent playback with some noise in the quiet parts. Nice labels. Pretty much VG+

2021-10-24Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£300.00£300.00

2021-07-01Very Good Plus (VG+)Not Graded£299.00£299.00

2021-04-27Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£250.00£250.00

Comments: Pressing bubbles NAP as with most copies, lovely clean vinyl

2021-03-29Near Mint (NM or M-)Not Graded£270.00£270.00

2021-01-20Near Mint (NM or M-)Near Mint (NM or M-)£200.00£200.00

Comments: Both sides play extremely well - has the pressing bubbles that most copies have but Ain't Gonna Run plays superb / Our Love Use To Be plays with a hint of background noise - record plays flat, labels are clean. Comes in white paper sleeve.

2020-12-20Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£270.00£270.00

Comments: FREE SHIPPING.

2020-07-05Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£175.00£175.00

Comments: I play checked this to make sure the couple of little pressing bubbles did not affect play, which they do not. Apart from that, it looks unplayed - in great condition, with clean labels and a plain sleeve

2020-04-26Very Good Plus (VG+)Not Graded£195.00£195.00

Comments: Excellent vinyl plays excellent retains lovely sheen clean labels

2020-04-15Near Mint (NM or M-)Generic£145.83$175.00

you must be bored lol

1 hour ago, Solidsoul said:

As mentioned earlier, it was a Richard Searling exclusive at Wigan Casino covered as the Embers. I remember thinking this is a record I will never be able to own. I was so pleased to be able to get one when they turned up in quantity.  Full on Northern Soul with a superb slower tempo flip.

I would never sell my copy and a lot of copies will be staying in serious collections! So market forces push up the price!

always remember Steve Cato dancing to this in the film SOULBOY 

[Imperial C]

8 hours ago, Chalky said:

Keb as far as I know, think he may have got Gary's?.  I guess we will never know the full amount found but it was well into three figures, enough has been said about the find in the past.  I don't remember Clarkie playing it at all TBH.

Keb at 100 club initially, I bought his copy. It was uncovered by then £100, a nice piece of Wigan history to behold at the time.. 

Hope all is well Chalky

Edited July 8, 2022 by Imperial C

[Mal C]

Just checked my inmails on here, I dont seem to have the original in mails about buying the Acetate Ive mentioned above but I do have this:

Prix label owner Clem Price, The label address on the acetate is Harmonic Sound Production 1482 Felix Drive which is a different address to what appears on the release Prix record. Harmonic Sound Productions is the in house production company the song is produced by the label owner and written by the artist who was a staff musician. So it is a publishing promo as the address being different to the label address etc. I'm reliably told the guy this came from had all the tapes and master record plates etc.

So all this chap had all the original tapes and master record plates, and quanity of Joe King, Eddie Ray & Royal Esquires 45's, which is where the Eccentric Soul boys got the Demo version etc of 'You Got Me' Eddie Ray etc...   I assume

Edited July 8, 2022 by Mal C

[Ady Potts]

The quantity came via 'Brooklyn Born' Joe Giattino & Rich Rosan. Same people that things like Frederick Hymes, Four Voices Gold label, San Francisco TKO's, Toby Bullard etc came from.

Rich came up to me at a record show back then, he was after large quantity of 78's. Didn't matter if they were cracked or broken he said he wanted to melt them. First thing I thought was he wanted to convert the shellac into French polish.

 

[Mark R]

In the Oddfellows Anniversary video, Keb plays it downstairs as The Embers and then say "you can have I for £1000!!"

As good a record as it gets.......100mph Northern Soul that has everything 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

[Blackpoolsoul]

3 hours ago, Steviehay said:

you must be bored lol

always remember Steve Cato dancing to this in the film SOULBOY 

Took me about 10 seconds  being retired it's something to do

[Steve G]

1 hour ago, Pottsy said:

The quantity came via 'Brooklyn Born' Joe Giattino & Rich Rosan. Same people that things like Frederick Hymes, Four Voices Gold label, San Francisco TKO's, Toby Bullard etc came from.

 

Yep they found the widow (I think) and all the Prix titles were still in the garage in quantity. I got all my Prix stuff off of those guys. Before that it was very rare and a late Wigan spin for RS as others have said. 

[Chalky]

6 hours ago, Imperial C said:

Keb at 100 club initially, I bought his copy. It was uncovered by then £100, a nice piece of Wigan history to behold at the time.. 

Hope all is well Chalky

Knew it was Keb first, didn't his then girlfriend buy it for him? 

All good here mate, due a catch up sometime soon.

[Imperial C]

2 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Knew it was Keb first, didn't his then girlfriend buy it for him? 

All good here mate, due a catch up sometime soon.

My history is not as good as that Chalky , I have trouble remembering what I was doing  

[Eddie Hubbard]

Think Dave Withers must have bought Richard Searlings copy ,as he used to play it in the early days of Stafford ,before the Guy / Keb era .

[Geeselad]

9 hours ago, Mot said:

If I remember right......I bought one when the stock was found............think it was about £50 to £60............I'm sure I've seen it as low at £30 at one point.........really surprised its jumped up to the prices noted above............sold mine a long while ago now and struggled to get my money back on it!

£40 was the lowest I saw it go.

[Greedy]

Always been one of my favourite records.  I have a cassette of oddfellows 1st anniversary where Gary Rushbrooke introduces it as the embers , playing the part of the  fool before Stafford recorded feb 1983 ,  if anyone can help i would love to post it for everyone to listen to but have no idea how to ( have it in cd format). Also I have the acetate that keb had cut with the Delcos on the flip. Will dig it out and post a picture when I get time . As always great to read all the posts with snippets of information 

Edited July 8, 2022 by Greedy Mick

[Greedy]

9 hours ago, Mark R said:

In the Oddfellows Anniversary video, Keb plays it downstairs as The Embers and then say "you can have I for £1000!!"

As good a record as it gets.......100mph Northern Soul that has everything 

 

Cheers,

Mark R

Great memories,  I was stood behind the camera man along with Dave Wheeler in his hi-vis orange dungarees as Keb played it.

And as we went back to the main room Ally caught Dave for an interview (which can be seen on the video)

and i ran off paranoid lol Before he could collar me lol.. 

always brilliant how we remember certain things in our lives lol

Edited July 8, 2022 by Greedy Mick

[Chalky]

1 hour ago, Greedy Mick said:

Always been one of my favourite records.  I have a cassette of oddfellows 1st anniversary where Gary Rushbrooke introduces it as the embers , playing the part of the  fool before Stafford recorded feb 1983 ,  if anyone can help i would love to post it for everyone to listen to but have no idea how to ( have it in cd format). Also I have the acetate that keb had cut with the Delcos on the flip. Will dig it out and post a picture when I get time . As always great to read all the posts with snippets of information 

I can convert the tape for you

[Steviehay]

5 hours ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

Think Dave Withers must have bought Richard Searlings copy ,as he used to play it in the early days of Stafford ,before the Guy / Keb era .

case of asking richard then ??

[Steviehay]

Right chaps, there has been some very informative info on this awaiting a certain persons reply on the playing of this but i have had a few enquiries on the copy i have spare which is a minter how much do i ask for it any pointers would be grateful p.s i'm not greedy either ????

[Dave Pinch]

theres probably numbers wise as many of these in circulation as danny moore and way more than clara hardy.. some of the prix things are really tough sells these days.. but the law seems to be.. if you cant just grab one straight away just throw a stack of money at it

 

Edited July 9, 2022 by Dave Pinch

[Greedy]

15 hours ago, Chalky said:

I can convert the tape for you

I have already converted all my oddfellows tapes to cd. Just have no idea how to put them on soul source so everyone can enjoy.. some of them are recorded through the decks and are great to listen to 

[Woodbutcher]

16 minutes ago, Greedy Mick said:

I have already converted all my oddfellows tapes to cd. Just have no idea how to put them on soul source so everyone can enjoy.. some of them are recorded through the decks and are great to listen to 

Open a Mixcloud account , upload to there and then post a link on here ...

[Chalky]

36 minutes ago, Greedy Mick said:

I have already converted all my oddfellows tapes to cd. Just have no idea how to put them on soul source so everyone can enjoy.. some of them are recorded through the decks and are great to listen to 

rip the cd to your computer, open a mixcloud page and upload to that.  You can share the link then

20 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said:

Open a Mixcloud account , upload to there and then post a link on here ...

oops what Steve sez

[Greedy]

On 09/07/2022 at 14:22, Chalky said:

rip the cd to your computer, open a mixcloud page and upload to that.  You can share the link then

oops what Steve sez

I'll try what you both have said.  Probably have to wait for one of my sons to come round lol.. I've only just managed vynil after 40 years of collecting lol. 

Only just found out that there's 2 other speeds. 33 and 45

[Steviehay]

Just gone through one of my wigan tapes richard banging it out 79 ,will have to when time permits to convert all of them to cd or stick or whatever ,ps Richards reply to me regarding this was read his book its all in there !! 

[Douglaschip]

Think I got mine at an all time low of £20 - must have struck lucky.  Always liked the other side!!

Adam.

[Benji]

Royal Esquires one of the worst deals I ever made. Was offered a copy @500, bought it straight away thinking I got a real bargain. 4 weeks later the NOS copies flooded the market. Eventually turned out seller (well known DJ) knew about the NOS copies and tried to get rid of his copy before price would fall. Not mad about this but it still leaves a sour taste in the mouth.

[Amsterdam Russ]

38 minutes ago, Benji said:

the NOS copies flooded the market

Likely I've missed something among the many posts that explains, but what are "the NOS copies"?

[Benji]

NOS = new old stock

[Amsterdam Russ]

3 minutes ago, Benji said:

NOS = new old stock

Thanks. First time I've seen that as an abbreviation. 

[Tlscapital]

14 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

Thanks. First time I've seen that as an abbreviation. 

NAP, WOL, XOL, DHL, NOS can be wondering abreviations for "younger" social networks junkies but with your seniority and authority as a long timer crate digger in dusties or on lists I am surprised you missed that one Russ But the good news IMO is that it's never too late to learn something new. I know I am when I do. Fresh feel !

 

[Paraboliccurve]

On 08/07/2022 at 18:24, Geeselad said:

£40 was the lowest I saw it go.

45 copies have been sold on eBay under £40 (three at £20, and then up in two or three quid increments).

[Amsterdam Russ]

27 minutes ago, Tlscapital said:

I am surprised you missed that one Russ

Haha - as you say, never too old to learn something new. The term 'new old stock' of course I knew, but don't recall seeing it in abbreviated form (NOS). Or maybe the old brain cells are letting me down. Now I must go and take the laundry out of the oven.  

[Tlscapital]

5 minutes ago, Paraboliccurve said:

45 copies have been sold on eBay under £40 (three at £20, and then up in two or three quid increments).

Bought a few (like 5 copies or about back then) for $40+ back then from that Las Vegas source for friends.