Selling a c/u question?

[Dobber]

Im curious,if a potential buyer of a c/u,does he have to sign a secrets act document or something,cos if i was buying a c/u regardless of price i would want to know what it is first so i can do my own research! But then we are in the realms of “loose lips sinks ships”

this tune in question (which is superb) its a lot of money on a (dont know who it is)?

 

[Billy Jo Jim Bob]

2 hours ago, Dobber said:

Im curious,if a potential buyer of a c/u,does he have to sign a secrets act document or something,cos if i was buying a c/u regardless of price i would want to know what it is first so i can do my own research! But then we are in the realms of “loose lips sinks ships”

this tune in question (which is superb) its a lot of money on a (dont know who it is)?

 

Just my opinion.

The person selling does not have to tell you what the c/u is, its up to you whether you want to pay that price. But think about the old legal adage "buyer beware". If you do buy it then its up to you whether you share the information or not, its your property to decide. I would be surprised if anyone wanted an NDA signed for a record. I'm also wary about this 'only known copy' because its a big wide world for collectors and we only know a few of them personally, but there are thousands of vinyl buffs from the US to Japan and who knows what they have ?

The last time we had this discussion about this seller, he had a $10 record c/u at £400, but its identity was spotted immediately. I don't know what this is, as I usually avoid the gospel stuff and haven't played it. It could be a mega rarity... who knows ? At the end its your decision.

Edited February 7, 2022 by Billy Jo Jim Bob

[Dobber]

32 minutes ago, Billy Jo Jim Bob said:

Just my opinion.

The person selling does not have to tell you what the c/u is, its up to you whether you want to pay that price. But think about the old legal adage "buyer beware". If you do buy it then its up to you whether you share the information or not, its your property to decide. I would be surprised if anyone wanted an NDA signed for a record. I'm also wary about this 'only known copy' because its a big wide world for collectors and we only know a few of them personally, but there are thousands of vinyl buffs from the US to Japan and who knows what they have ?

The last time we had this discussion about this seller, he had a $10 record c/u at £400, but its identity was spotted immediately. I don't know what this is, as I usually avoid the gospel stuff and haven't played it. It could be a mega rarity... who knows ? At the end its your decision.

Very well put my friend,just to add though,im not considering buying the tune,although i can see how i made it look that way! Its just a thought ive had for many a year on the process of buying a cover up! 

[Chalky]

Only known copy isn't the same as the only copy, its the only one they know of.

As Drew said you takes your chances if you want it.  If you buy it its up to you what you do with it, uncover or keep it covered.  It does however give you some degree of exclusivity for a while until he finds another or Sam does.

Edited February 7, 2022 by Chalky

[Dobber]

15 minutes ago, Chalky said:

Only known copy isn't the same as the only copy, its the only one they know of.

As Drew said you takes your chances if you want it.  If you buy it its up to you what you do with it, uncover or keep it covered.  It does however give you some degree of exclusivity for a while until he finds another or Sam does.

I dont want the record in question,and i dont mean to single out rarenorthernsoul.com,ive just pondered this over a many year as to how people go on buying c/ups! It seams to me that once a dj has tired it out then he/she may aswell uncover it and sell it? Let other collectors/djs seek it out?

[Chalky]

20 minutes ago, Dobber said:

I dont want the record in question,and i dont mean to single out rarenorthernsoul.com,ive just pondered this over a many year as to how people go on buying c/ups! It seams to me that once a dj has tired it out then he/she may aswell uncover it and sell it? Let other collectors/djs seek it out?

Often they sell out of respect to others who may be playing it uncovered?  Not in this case though if it is the only copy we know of.

[Wally Francis]

I'm very surprised that Sam has let an exclusive only known copy tune go, I would have thought that now with venues opening he'd love to play it to the masses.

[Blackpoolsoul]

1 hour ago, Dobber said:

I dont want the record in question,and i dont mean to single out rarenorthernsoul.com,ive just pondered this over a many year as to how people go on buying c/ups! It seams to me that once a dj has tired it out then he/she may aswell uncover it and sell it? Let other collectors/djs seek it out?

Does Sam flip a coin as to who sells his throw aways (I thought he was John's best buddy ?)

[Steve G]

Sam buys sells and trades with many people. He is very tenacious when it comes to dealers and sellers in the U.K. (not so "the internet" as he will be the first to admit). That said, not surprising he is offloading this, someone must have had a word. On the wider question if a buyer wants to buy a record that is c/u that is their business, but as others have said it is always a case of "buyer beware".  

[Geeselad]

I too was pondering this with a certain cover up. If it's unknown, it certainly not been searched for in the way the say, the salvadors, has for, in that case 35 years or so. The thought of count boxes sitting in a warehouse is scary and off putting. 

[Dobber]

3 minutes ago, Geeselad said:

I too was pondering this with a certain cover up. If it's unknown, it certainly not been searched for in the way the say, the salvadors, has for, in that case 35 years or so. The thought of count boxes sitting in a warehouse is scary and off putting. 

Thats kinda my thoughts,if one is expected to buy the 45 covered up without an opportunity to satisfy ones own research and curiosity,then your gonna be cheesed of if you then discover its a bside to a 5 quid record thats been over looked,or worse you then uncover it and then you see it on ebay every 5 minutes for next to nowt!

[John A]

Had it sold? Only I've just popped by the website in question for a listen and I can't find it. Mind you, this website is the most user UN-friendly one going with a search function that doesn't work. Puts me off even dropping by for a laugh every now and then.

Edited February 7, 2022 by John A

[Chalky]

Just now, John A said:

Had it sold? Only I've just popped by the website in question and I can't find it. Mind you, this website is the most user UN-friendly one going with a search function that doesn't work. Puts me off even dropping by for a laugh every now and then.

Just done the same and I can't find it

Edited February 7, 2022 by Chalky

[Blackpoolsoul]

1 hour ago, Chalky said:

Just done the same and I can't find it

It's on Ebay, well it was it is now in the completed bit / removed from sale me thinks

I wonder who SJ records is 

Edited February 7, 2022 by Blackpoolsoul

[Chalky]

I'll post the link shall I 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125136545151?hash=item1d22b8257f:g:LXMAAOSwLk9hurD3

[Dobber]

Well it wasn't me

but i fear i may have unwittingly encouraged a sale

[Blackpoolsoul]

13 minutes ago, Dobber said:

Well it wasn't me

but i fear i may have unwittingly encouraged a sale

Steve owes you then, like a "finders fee"

 

[Midnight Drifter]

If you look closely enough you can see the original label shine through.. don't get it

[Woodbutcher]

Well it won't be a "one-off" for very long , if he's slung it out on e-bay then you can rest assured that a thousand or so copies are being pressed up ready to go on his site at £20 or so ... 

[Billy Jo Jim Bob]

39 minutes ago, Midnight Drifter said:

If you look closely enough you can see the original label shine through.. don't get it

couldn't see that....maybe my old eyes !!

[Dobber]

41 minutes ago, Midnight Drifter said:

If you look closely enough you can see the original label shine through.. don't get it

You know what it is? Cmon loosen them lips and sink some ships

[Mal C]

Rememeber the 'Dream Team' 45s on Gregory that was played, and everybody got very excited about, then then a load turned up, and some folks got stung.   I do wonder sometimes when things like this happen quickly, that there maybe some copies out there poised to come onto the market... and that is not Judgement of the seller and dealer,  I would not in a million years say something bad about folks I know of, but dont know personally.  But this happens...

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by Mal C

[Sebastian]

This one is definitely a scarce record. Only one copy through ebay (in 2015) and not listed on Discogs (it is listed on 45cat though). Doesn't float my boat at all, but it's not a common record.

[Dobber]

34 minutes ago, Sebastian said:

This one is definitely a scarce record. Only one copy through ebay (in 2015) and not listed on Discogs (it is listed on 45cat though). Doesn't float my boat at all, but it's not a common record.

Which 45 do you refer to?

[Sebastian]

8 minutes ago, Dobber said:

Which 45 do you refer to?

The Soul Stirrers cover-up.

[Dobber]

Just now, Sebastian said:

The Soul Stirrers cover-up.

[Chalky]

1 hour ago, Sebastian said:

This one is definitely a scarce record. Only one copy through ebay (in 2015) and not listed on Discogs (it is listed on 45cat though). Doesn't float my boat at all, but it's not a common record.

What is it?

[Amsterdam Russ]

A quick search on 45Cat and up it popped... but as Sebastian has claim on identifying it first here, I'll leave it to him to decide if he wants to uncover it.

[Sebastian]

24 minutes ago, Chalky said:

What is it?

Hammon Singers - Faith In God - HOSANNA

 

 

[Dobber]

I bet ebay seach bar is busy at the moment

[Amsterdam Russ]

52 minutes ago, Dobber said:

I bet ebay search bar is busy at the moment

I bet you're not wrong. It's all gone very quiet here since the reveal.  

[Jnixon]

18 hours ago, Geeselad said:

I too was pondering this with a certain cover up. If it's unknown, it certainly not been searched for in the way the say, the salvadors, has for, in that case 35 years or so. The thought of count boxes sitting in a warehouse is scary and off putting. 

A very tiny amount of people would have had this on their wants list so it wouldn't have been looked for Im guessing. 

And I don't care how well known this Jesus fella claims to be, theres less collect gospel than soul. But it was a known tune thats for sure and more then two exist. Definitely seen it on lists and had I knew SS had being plying it I'd have bought it to move on. 

Never liked it that much to be honest so never 'looked' for it when I was buying this Gospel. 

[Dobber]

The tune caught my ear,cos i love group soul stuff,especially with sparce production,but lyrically it put me off,and now i know the group and title,its not something i could enjoy over and over again! Gospel aint for me no matter how good the tune is!

[Blackpoolsoul]

Covering up records in this century.......really ??? (some kids will grow up and still be kids) I wonder if it was the one bought on Ebay in 2015

Edited February 8, 2022 by Blackpoolsoul

[Benji]

Quite a nice tune. Amateur-ish production but haunting in a way. But is it really that good to be covered up? Not for me.

[davidwapples]

All I hear is a rip off of edwin start stop her on sight sung out of tune

And its only 1.40 minutes long according to the label scan above. That's a hell of a lot to pay for under 2 minutes