Blackpoolsoul Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 If this has been covered before please direct me as I could not see it Apart from David, can anyone please shed some "light" as to the missing members please ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Solution The Yank Posted January 8, 2022 Solution Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) I believe Brother's Guiding Light is the Dreamlovers with a new name. So - group members should be Don Hogan, Tommy Ricks, Cleveland Hammock and Cliff and James Dunn. Edited January 8, 2022 by The Yank Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Still Diggin Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Doug Banks was listed as being on the Mercury 45, same guy who recorded on Argo. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 21 minutes ago, The Yank said: I believe Brother's Guiding Light is the Dreamlovers with a new name. So - group members should be Don Hogan, Tommy Ricks, Cleveland Hammock and Cliff and James Dunn. Blimey that is so interesting, have you a source please ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Blimey that is so interesting, have you a source please ? Sure- Dave Moore's "The Philly Sound" . 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Still Diggin Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Yep, that came from the soul harmony singles it also confirms the excellent info given by the Yank, However there are five in the photo, so maybe some of the Dreamlovers but not all. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 19 minutes ago, The Yank said: Sure- Dave Moore's "The Philly Sound" . I haven't got his book, does it quote his source ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 45 minutes ago, The Yank said: Sure- Dave Moore's "The Philly Sound" . That doesn't matter now about Dave's source and thanks so much This from 2006 American Singing Groups: A History from 1940s to Today By Jay Warner Edited January 8, 2022 by Blackpoolsoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Still Diggin Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Good info, but if David morris sung lead on the Mercury 45 and if soul harmony singles info is correct regarding Doug Banks being on the Mercury 45 then only three of the Dreamlovers could possibly be in the group as there are only five in the picture. Just because the Dreamlovers reformed in 1980 does not mean they all sang on the Mercury 45. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andy Rix Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 http://soul-patrol.com/the-dreamlovers-a-philly-doo-wop-history/ worth a read Andy 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 8 hours ago, Andy Rix said: http://soul-patrol.com/the-dreamlovers-a-philly-doo-wop-history/ worth a read Andy Brilliant Andy, thanks and how did I miss this ? (age and stupidity me thinks are taking hold) http://doo-wop.blogg.org/the-dreamlovers-a129076088 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Still Diggin said: Good info, but if David morris sung lead on the Mercury 45 and if soul harmony singles info is correct regarding Doug Banks being on the Mercury 45 then only three of the Dreamlovers could possibly be in the group as there are only five in the picture. Just because the Dreamlovers reformed in 1980 does not mean they all sang on the Mercury 45. You are correct as all the write ups have suggested more members than in the photo, which is David Morris and four others which does not add up anyway (it would be Dave Morris and 5 others if you add Don Hogan, Tommy Ricks, Cleveland Hammock and Cliff and James Dunn.) Unless someone missed the photoshoot. If Doug Banks was one of them then 2 are missing I assume that all the others copied the info and perhaps Dave Moore can give his opinion Edited January 9, 2022 by Blackpoolsoul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Still Diggin Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Yes, perhaps Dave Moore does have a definitive answer to this one. Vince Montana would have been an obvious go to, but sadly no longer with us. As for contacting any of the possible members i'm sure someone on here has some info if hopefully those artists are still with us. Recordshack reissued some David Morris material, think his name is Jorg, he may know. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andy Rix Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) Vince Montana gave me this acetate when I visited him in Philly ... the annotation 'Me and Bud' means Vince M & Bud Ross Andy Edited January 9, 2022 by Andy Rix 1 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Andy Rix said: Vince Montana gave me this acetate when I visited him in Philly ... the annotation 'Me and Bud' means Vince M & Bud Ross Andy That's a nice piece Andy! Did you ever meet Bud Ross? Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Dave Moore said: That's a nice piece Andy! Did you ever meet Bud Ross? Dave Did you see the notes above, about the line up Dave please ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 58 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Did you see the notes above, about the line up Dave please ? Yes but not really much to add. The Dreamlovers were mentored by Buddy Caldwell and then Jerry Ross and released quite a few 45s in the 60s on lots of labels and I'm sure you;e aware. Their history is documented in my book. Their transition to Brother's Guiding Light and the inclusion of David Morris for the Getting Together 45 is also well documented. The inclusion of Doug Banks is something that I was never able to fully establish during my research. Dave 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dave Moore said: Yes but not really much to add. The Dreamlovers were mentored by Buddy Caldwell and then Jerry Ross and released quite a few 45s in the 60s on lots of labels and I'm sure you;e aware. Their history is documented in my book. Their transition to Brother's Guiding Light and the inclusion of David Morris for the Getting Together 45 is also well documented. The inclusion of Doug Banks is something that I was never able to fully establish during my research. Dave Thanks Dave it is a shame we can't ID the guys (apart from David Morris) in the photo, maybe someone will That Acetate is a beauty Edited January 10, 2022 by Blackpoolsoul 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andy Rix Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 12 hours ago, Dave Moore said: That's a nice piece Andy! Did you ever meet Bud Ross? Dave yes I did meet him .. he was a very nice chap Andy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Moore Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Andy Rix said: yes I did meet him .. he was a very nice chap Andy I didn't realise at the time I did the book what his contribution was to the story of Sigma. Kinda feel there's a piece missing now! Dave Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Dave Moore said: I didn't realise at the time I did the book what his contribution was to the story of Sigma. Kinda feel there's a piece missing now! Dave A website I found http://www.budrossinc.com/disco Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Still Diggin Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Contacting Roger Meltzer could yield some additional info, as he did writing and production with several Philly acts, Mcfadden & Whitehead, Archie Bell, Thompson Bros, Garfield Flemming etc, but more importantly David Morris. I'm sure Dave would have tried to check him in doing the book,or perhaps Andy Rix. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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