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I don't claim to know anything about the 'scene' as I have far too many other interests to claim 'Northern' alone as a way of life. But... perhaps power has been passed from the early days in which we relied on the DJ to serve up new soul sounds, to the new fangled internet age where everyone is a DJ and you don't need a venue to listen to/discover or to buy a soul tune. The crowd is all powerful.

I would argue to my last breath that there is a difference between 'listening' and really 'hearing' a tune and that there's a magic that happens when a record is 'heard' at a night.... That said - just like the pub scene and live bands - you stick a playlist/performance/podcast on the internet and might get 1000 listens...  perhaps ten times the attendance at the gig/night.

 

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5 hours ago, Steve L said:

Heard two of Kitch's spots recently, hardly knew anything he played and all were top class. 

Anyone wanting to hear something different should seek him out, although I don't think he DJ's that much..

Some should try the pavilion nice variety of music no politics nice people and beer 👍

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On 02/01/2022 at 22:41, Merve said:

Here's my take on it.......

Back in the day, Joe Bloggs, Fred Blogs, Arthur Bloggs & Terry Bloggs would be guaranteed 2 one hour slots at 2 nighters every weekend. So if Joe played a record twice in his first set & emptied the floor he could still play it again in his second set & repeat the same sets he had played again the next night at a different nighter. While Joe is doing this, Fred, Arthur & Terry are doing the same with their new exclusives. By week 3 people have caught on & we have four new floor fillers from four different DJs. Eddie Smith, Bobby Smith & Tony Smith have managed to get emi discs of these new floor fillers & are playing them mixed in with their usual Thursday night do's at Worcester, Bedford & Thirsk. A new monster sound is born & other tired records are dropped in its favour (probably booted anyway)

2021/22  We don't have the small amount of exclusive places we had in say 76 (Wigan, St Ives, Cleggy, Yate) but we have far more venues & far more DJs. There is no way a newie can get broken as before because the DJs know an empty floor will mean they aint coming back any time soon, let alone being given 2 spots a night to prove their new record is the mutts nuts !....So instead of playing unknown Johnny Sharp Shirt they will play a 2 or 3 k record that will fill the floor (self preservation), & stick Johnny Sharp Shirt on in the car on the way home with their mates to enjoy. 

Just my thoughts....Tell me if I'm wrong, but just bare in mind ther are plenty of £2 - £20 records on here, discogs, ebay etc That would fill floors everywhere if played consistently for a month or so - So why else arent they being aired?

 

What a great post! 🙏

 

Cheers,

Mark R

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15 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said:

Scrolling through some files on the computer, I found a set of playlists from our last Amsterdam rare soul weekender, which was in 2019. Guest DJs included Dave Thorley, Mick H, Kitch, and a host of others with big hitting playlists classics, rarities and unknowns.

But, my point in posting the playlists below is to show the diversity of sounds that can be heard in mainland Europe (well, Amsterdam at least) from DJs you might not have heard spin before. Of course there are plenty of familiar sounds, but the point is there's - to my mind - a brilliant mix of stuff from dance floor faves to lesser played tunes and a good number of one-offs. That, to me, represents progressiveness. But maybe you'll think otherwise.

A DJ from Germany
Friday 13th December (Ground floor and Downstairs)
Lee Fields - Ladies (Truth & Soul)
Clara Wood - You‘re after my guy (Imperial)
Shirley Wahls - Why am I crying (King)
Jean Wells - With my love and what I‘ve got (Calla)
Ray and Dave - Wrong, Wrong, Wrong (Mica)
Little Ann - What should I do (Kent)
Bobby Bloom - We‘re all going home (MGM)
Lou Rawls - Dead End Street (Capitol)
Ted Taylor - How do you walk away from fear (Ronn)
Sugar Hill - Slow Down (Washington)
Roosevelt Roberts - Hooked on your Love (R&R)
Willie & Anthony - Selfish Lover (Blue Candle)
Chosen Few - Lift this hurt (Bandit)
Pamoja - Oooh Baby (Keiper)
The Spontanes - Where did I go wrong (United Artists)
Judson Moore - Everybody Push and Pull (Capri)
Lattimore Brown - Sweet Desire (Renegade)
Coasters - Love Potion Number Nine (King)
Village Callers - Evil Ways (Rampart)
Rex Garvin - You don‘t need no help (WSJ Sound)
Wilson Picket - Let me be your Boy (CUB)
Freddy King - Now I got a woman (Federal)
Teddy and the Fingerpoppers - Soul Groove (Arctic)
Larry Williams - You ask for one good reason (Okeh)
Ira Glover - Funky Woman (Soul House)
Justin - Right Now (Down East)
Ringleaders - Baby, what has happened (m-pac!)
Sam Fletcher - Think it over (Tollie)
Voices of East Harlem - Cashing in (Just Sunshine Records)
Velvet Satins - Nothing can compare to you (General American)
Ann Heywood - Crook his little finger (Hondo)
Joys of Live - Good Times are over (Columbia)
Razzy - I hate hate (Aquarian)

A DJ from Germany 
Saturday 14th December (Ground Floor)
Judy Clay - Bed of Roses (Stax)
Betty Lloyd - I'm catching on (BSC)
John Bowie - You're gonna miss a good thing (Merben)
Sandy Wynns - A Touch of Venus (Champion)
Barbara Mason - You better stop it (Arctic)
Bill Bush - I'm waiting (Ronn)
Maurice Williams - Being without you (Deesu)
Shirley Lawson - One more Chance (Soul City)
Larry Davis - I've been hurt so many Times (Kent)
Otis Lee - Hard Row to Hoe (Quaint)
Manny Corchado - POW-WOW (Decca)
Joe Bataan - Gypsy Woman (Fania)
El Corols - Chick, Chick (Rouser)
Triumphs - Workin' (Okeh)
Honey and the Bees - Almost Eigtheen (Pentagon)
Louis Jordan - 65 Bars (Tangerine)
Ollie Jackson - Gotta wipe away the teardrops (Magnum)
Chuck Cornish - A Tribute to Muhammed Ali (White Cliffs)
Darondo - How I got over (Ocampo)
Ray J. - Right Place, Wrong Time (Hep' Me)
The Sheffiedls - Right On (Ssexx)
Lee David - Temptation is calling my name (Columbia)
Pointer Sisters - Send him back (Atlantic)
Sonny Munro - Open the Door to your heart (Epic)

A DJ from Scandinavia
Friday night first set
Daughters and sons of zion – he made a right from wrong – Togetherness
Billy Young – Burning up – Joyja
LC Green – Start all over again – Solid state production
Leon Ware – Time won't get you out of my mind – Unissued acetate
Peter and the wolfs – My heart is true – Bridge society
Karriem productions – Heartbreak – Unissued acetate
Gospel Harmony Allstars – Are you ready – C/Up
Rufus Hunter – These are my people – Ref-o-ree
Eugene Gaspard – Holding on – Rosemont
Combination Inc. - People listen – Arc-Lark
Christian Harmonizers – Troubles of this world – Hummingbird
Jackie Rhett – get him in your life – Raines
Marvell Love – Gotta have your love – New World
Decisions – Do I love her – York
Art Ensley – Open the door to your heart – Shiptown

A DJ from Scandinavia
Second set
Sir Henry Ivy – He left you standing there – Future dimension
El Corols – Chick chick – Tiny
Impressions – Love me – Curtom demo (alt take of course...)
The Harmonics – Which way – Way out
Henry C – Country girl – Action
Rance Allen singers – Let's get together and love – Reflect
Louzett and the fabulous swans – Don't tease me – Pearl
Earl Connelly – This girl – Maycon
Althea spencer – take me – AV international
London fog – Love you – Virtue
Vernon Garrett – Little black woman – Glowhill
Roger Hatcher – That's when I'll stop loving you – unissued acetate
Clark Bridges – Foxy – C.J.
Ready Willing and Able – Trouble – Bennett
Gospel Artistics – Time shall be no more – db
Neil Reed – Gonna find a way – music now

A DJ from Scandinavia
Saturday
Dynamic upsetters – come on down – Upsetters
Wayne Carter – Peter in or out – Mootreys
Alfonso Ramos – If you can want – Capri LP
Black and white affair – Sweet soul lady – Topaz
Candy coated people – time to love – New york sound company
Jimmy Ross – Separated – Mimic
Lee Porter – Nobody's doin a doggone thing – SOH
Page four – Take the rest of me – Zip
El paso premiers – Let me call you darling – frog death
Sir Thompson – Real love – New Hit
William Powell – You can't have your cake and eat it too – Unissued acetate
Soul Blenders – Love built on a strong foundation – Vanessa
Getto Children – Here I stand – So-Char
Exceptions – Baby you know I need you – (alt take) unissued acetate
Sweet Breeze – Good thing – Willpower
Ascots – Anytime – Mir-a-don
Watson and the Sherlock – Standing on the corner – (alt mix) unissued acetate
The New Phase – Love is the name of the game – Gaytime east
Big Jay – Who knows better than me – Ain't going nowhere records
Ronnie North – I've gotta hear it from you
Larry Reynolds – Take away the big hurt – Tri Spin
Wess – There's gonna be a revolution – Durium
Perfections – So lonely – Big B
Prince Johnny Robinson – I got love - Mercury

A DJ from the Netherlands
Saturday afternoon
Betty Wright - Open the door to your heart - RCA (Italy)
Margie Joseph - I can’t move no mountains - Atlantic
Caffey Bros - Make me over - Aura
Sunny & the Sunliners - I’m no stranger - Key-Loc
Joe Bataan - Cycles - Vampi Soul
Joyce Jones - Help me make up my mind - Vee Eight
Shirley Caesar - Stand the storm - Hob
The Salem Travelers - Give me liberty or death - Checker
Gospel Travelers - Jesus is watching you - Hy Sign
The Jubilee Hummingbirds - Same thing it took - Messenger
Mary Alice McCall - Wade in the water - E&C
Kindly Shepherds - Lend me your hand - Checker
The Gospel Pearls - Two little fishes - Liberty (France)
The Swan Silvertones - If you think your god is dead - Hob
The Meditation Singers - Don’t you want to go pt1 - Checker
Bobby Gale - River deep, mountain high - Bell Sound Studios acetate
Unknown - Ring around the rosie - Acetate
Barbara Harris & the Toys - I got a man - Bell Sound Studios acetate
Unknown - I don’t believe it - Acetate
Gates Intino - She just said no - Alt take acetate
Unknown - I’m through with you - Acetate
Unknown - Eyes of love - Acetate
Nat Hall - That’s why - Acetate
Duke Turner - Friendship or friends - Acetate
Ebony’s Band - Hang loose - Acetate

Great breadth and depth there and demonstrates the open minded and younger European crowd. If you drop Bill Bush, that could be almost perfect ......

 

M

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On 03/01/2022 at 13:33, Smudger said:

There are many great new and previous unissued nowadays but I have only heard them on podcasts and not many at all at venues,I bet you could do a great  night just using such records with a few lesser played originals .But the problem is would you get enough punters through the doors.

Sadly you wouldn't get anyone dancing, I did it with some of the unissued stuff and people at a 'normal' night aren't interested. Then again it is quite nice being young and having all these wonderful 80/90's '6Ts newies' which are all still new to me, so I can listen and enjoy like people did before me. But I do get that people have heard enough of these tunes to last 3 lifetimes. Maybe it's more a question of taking a break, as the system isn't going to change anytime soon. And come back in 5 years when the party style crowd have burnt out, and venues are filled with people who want more new Northern.

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2 hours ago, Kev John said:

A sample of FTMNTC tunes played  out  @ our December event

So its a 5 of us & Guest  we don't state who played any of tunes on the CD  

Plus punters choices

 

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Interesting list of tunes. Anyone dancing to them then ?  Just wondering !

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38 minutes ago, Geoffp said:

Interesting list of tunes. Anyone dancing to them then ?  Just wondering !

Hi Geoff 

yes they do & also listen to the tunes 

There is no pressure on  the dj's to fill  the floor its about their choices

& here's November's  event CD list including Guest dj & punters choices 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Kev John said:

Hi Geoff 

yes they do & also listen to the tunes 

There is no pressure on  the dj's to fill  the floor its about their choices

& here's November's  event CD list including Guest dj & punters choices 

 

 

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Thanks for the reply Kev. 👍

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4 hours ago, Kev John said:

Geoff & here's our October choice selected for the CD

 

 

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Hiya kev. Just had a few hours picking through the track lists you've put up. 

Thank you mate. Things I didn't know and things I'd forgotten . Brilliant.

Hugh

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I admit I may not be the best qualified to comment on this thread as I haven't attended any venues of any description for years, but can anyone seriously point to any discoveries from the past twenty years that are commercially on par with a Tomangoes, Morris Chestnut, Epitome of Sound etc?  Anything that would make the Top 500 if it were being compiled today?  

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There is no solution to this , the only way going forward is that if various venues have a second room, they stipulate that everything played should be fresh new discoveries, underplayed but that is only relevant to the people listening and what they have heard before, The old top 500 is probably in fact an old top 5000 these days. The age factor comes into play again how many Soul lovers have the energy these days to push the agenda and suffer a financial loss to promote this. It’s a sad situation for all the real hardcore Soul fanatics who still want to dig deeper, I wish there was a solution to it but the way the soul scene sits at present I think the second room is the only hope.

KR

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1 hour ago, Hooker1951 said:

There is no solution to this , the only way going forward is that if various venues have a second room, they stipulate that everything played should be fresh new discoveries, underplayed but that is only relevant to the people listening and what they have heard before, The old top 500 is probably in fact an old top 5000 these days. The age factor comes into play again how many Soul lovers have the energy these days to push the agenda and suffer a financial loss to promote this. It’s a sad situation for all the real hardcore Soul fanatics who still want to dig deeper, I wish there was a solution to it but the way the soul scene sits at present I think the second room is the only hope.

KR

ML

or perhaps - everybody stick to one venue, one night, one place until it works...

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