Rarest Stock Copy

[Eddie Hubbard]

57 minutes ago, Zanetti said:

Do you were able to secure at least one ... ? 

Yes £12 in 1980 

[Chalky]

On 12/12/2023 at 21:41, Zanetti said:

I'll go ahead anyway, because I'm also up for it

No "dj copy", "non-US release", no copy from Lebanon, or Ireland ... or whatever - no "test pressing" either, but probably a very rare, "rock(ing)-solid" record that hopefully scratches the chat a little ... 

 

Wouldn’t have thought worthy of inclusion in this topic though? 

[Steve G]

Is this thread limited to northern oldies?

[Soul Shrews]

Don't think so Steve, theres been some Deep Soul mentioned.

[Zanetti]

18 hours ago, Eddie Hubbard said:

Yes £12 in 1980 

You could have bought a lot of them for the price at the time ... if only you had known that some of your records would go so crazy. 
I assume you were a pupil or student at the time? Was that a large sum for an adolescent in the UK back then?
Thank you

[Dave Pinch]

On 16/12/2023 at 10:37, Zanetti said:

You could have bought a lot of them for the price at the time ... if only you had known that some of your records would go so crazy. 
I assume you were a pupil or student at the time? Was that a large sum for an adolescent in the UK back then?
Thank you

In 1980 I was an apprentice on £26.25.. most I spent was £5/6 on rarer uk Motown.. epitome of sound £3 all subjective I guess

[Geeselad]

1 hour ago, Dave Pinch said:

In 1980 I was an apprentice on £26.25.. most I spent was £5/6 on rarer uk Motown.. epitome of sound £3 all subjective I guess

I got a epitome of sound, stone mint in 87, off Tim A, £20, he had a stack from the states. 

[Eddie Hubbard]

On 16/12/2023 at 10:37, Zanetti said:

You could have bought a lot of them for the price at the time ... if only you had known that some of your records would go so crazy. 
I assume you were a pupil or student at the time? Was that a large sum for an adolescent in the UK back then?
Thank you

No I was 23 and living in a flat .Wigan Casino was about a year away from closing and a lot of records weren’t that expensive.I had a budget of about £20  a week for records .

[Dave Pinch]

9 hours ago, Geeselad said:

I got an epitome of sound, stone mint in 87, off Tim A, £20, he had a stack from the states. 

Bloody hell geese that was dear.. my 2nd copy  of epitome came from John manship in 1989 and was only £10

[Marc Forrest]

1 hour ago, Dave Pinch said:

Bloody hell geese that was dear.. my 2nd copy  of epitome came from John manship in 1989 and was only £10

I bought mine (still have it) for 20 GBP in 1989  which worked out at 60 DM, a hell lot of money back then (for me) a full tank for my ride did cost south of 10,00 DM...

[Geeselad]

5 hours ago, Dave Pinch said:

Bloody hell geese that was dear.. my 2nd copy  of epitome came from John manship in 1989 and was only £10

They were dead stock, but I think I ended up trading for 'tune up' on British, to minshull, who Tim owed. 

[Vadnochka]

Epitome of Sound - Rudzi's - Boogaloo Records, Grandby St. Leicester - £10 1992 - l. Allen £90 same time

Rarest Stocker - Earl Jackson - Soul Self Satisfaction got to be up there

[Stanley]

dean courtney love you just can,t walk away mgm issue has to be one of the rarest for me.

Edited December 20, 2023 by Stanley
update

[Ted Massey]

35 minutes ago, Stanley said:

dean courtney love you just can,t walk away mgm issue has to be the rarest for me.

George i wish i had bought that of my mate Tony Reynolds he's made a very tidy profit on it 

[Stanley]

28 minutes ago, Ted Massey said:

George i wish i had bought that of my mate Tony Reynolds he's made a very tidy profit on it 

i believe its gone to australia  ..not to expensive either i don,t think.

[Julianb]

2 hours ago, Stanley said:

i believe its gone to australia  ..not to expensive either i don,t think.

Is this the same copy that Pete Smith had a few years ago?

[Kev John]

Fundamentals & The Cheers on OKEH vinyl issues !

[Stanley]

2 hours ago, Julianb said:

Is this the same copy that Pete Smith had a few years ago?

yes julian. its the only known issue copy.

[Sheldonsoul]

On 26/02/2022 at 10:17, Pete Fowler said:

Surprised nobody's mentioned this, allegedly a one-off (not mine unfortunately) unless anyone has any other info?

Was mentioned on page 1

[Mgm 1251]

10 minutes ago, Sheldonsoul said:

Was mentioned on page 1

...and page 8 by Mal...

                     

[Mgm 1251]

59 minutes ago, Mgm 1251 said:

...and page 8 by Mal...

                     

...and I also mentioned it  on page 1...tho I mentioned the typo on t'other side......

(probably why it's so rare)

Edited December 20, 2023 by Mgm 1251

[Eddie Hubbard]

I think this is pretty rare on a stock copy : Nella Dodds - Honey Boy / I Just Gotta Have You - Wand .I bought a stock copy at Wigan for £8 in the late 70’s ,before selling at Keele in the mid 90’s .A few demos out there ,but very few issues .

[Graham Anthony]

Chester St. Anthony-Together-A&M Demo does it actually exist as an issue with the artist credited as Chester Fields? I've never seen one and if it does exist it must be rare. It is also usually stated as being Frank Wilson of "Do I love you" but I think it sounds more like the OTHER Frank Wilson of The Remarkables/Frankie Vance etc. Any thoughts?

[Nick Soule]

6 hours ago, Graham Anthony said:

Chester St. Anthony-Together-A&M Demo does it actually exist as an issue with the artist credited as Chester Fields? I've never seen one and if it does exist it must be rare. It is also usually stated as being Frank Wilson of "Do I love you" but I think it sounds more like the OTHER Frank Wilson of The Remarkables/Frankie Vance etc. Any thoughts?

From popsike (sold in 2014 for $83):

[Graham Anthony]

Brilliant! Thanks for the scan

[Robbk]

15 hours ago, Nick Soule said:

From popsike (sold in 2014 for $83):

It's DEFINITELY NOT The Soul and Power Records' Frank Wilson, and sounds VERY MUCH like The Remarkables' Frank Wilson.  My vote is for the latter.

[Graham Anthony]

Thanks for your input Robb. Has anyone ever done a definitive listing regarding the work of Frank E. Wilson and Frank Wilson of the Remarkables/Wil-Sones/Frankie Vance etc. ? I think the 2 often get confused and I'm sure some of their work is often mis-credited. Did both of them work at West Coast Motown at some stage? Nevertheless, I think "together" is still quite rare as a stock copy and why the different artist credit?

[Dobber]

Darryl Stewart-name it and claim it-wand

discogs shows only promos (black text) including the misspelt title version,so the red text issue appears to be rare?

[Robbk]

On 29/12/2023 at 04:00, Graham Anthony said:

Thanks for your input Robb. Has anyone ever done a definitive listing regarding the work of Frank E. Wilson and Frank Wilson of the Remarkables/Wil-Sones/Frankie Vance etc. ? I think the 2 often get confused and I'm sure some of their work is often mis-credited. Did both of them work at West Coast Motown at some stage? Nevertheless, I think "together" is still quite rare as a stock copy and why the different artist credit?

I think that Frank Wilson of The Remarkables may have also worked at Jobete music, L.A. near its tail end.  If he didn't, he worked with several of its regulars on non-Motown L.A. projects.  The South L.A. Soul Music community was pretty tight.  They all new each other, similar to the situation in Detroit.  I can only guess about why he changed his name with A&M, and I'm guessing that even if it had no relationship to an exclusive contract for the same type of services, it was done to avoid Hal Davis and Marc Gordon finding out he was doing that.  Brenda Holloway also had a record out with A&M at that time, and I also seem to remember that she, Patrice, and Pat Hunt (who were one of the two main girls background groups at Jobete) were a girls group who had a record out on A&M (those 2 Brenda Holloway references may be one in the same (I've forgotten).  I'm guessing the 2 A&M  releases were connected.  Maybe Wilson changed his name for that release just to protect The Holloway sisters, as BOTH WERE under artist contract to Motown at that time?

And I'm SURE that you are correct that credits for the 2 Frank Wilsons have been confused MANY times, as I've seen at least 6 or 7 instances, just that I can recall off the top of my head.  I'm sure I've seen several more that I don't remember offhand.

Edited January 2 by Robbk

[Tlscapital]

5 minutes ago, Robbk said:

I think that Frank Wilson of The Remarkables may have also worked at Jobete music, L.A. near its tail end.  If he didn't, he worked with several of its regulars on non-Motown L.A. projects.  The South L.A. Soul Music community was pretty tight.  They all new each other, similar to the situation in Detroit.  I can only guess about why he changed his name with A&M, and I'm guessing that even if it had no relationship to an exclusive contract for the same type of services, it was done to avoid Hal Davis and Marc Gordon finding out he was doing that.  Brenda Holloway also had a record out with A&M at that time, and I also seem to remember that she, Patrice, and Pat Hunt (who were one of the two main girls background groups at Jobete) were a girls group who had a record out on A&M (those 2 Brenda Holloway references may be one in the same (I've forgotten).  I'm guessing the 2 A&M  releases were connected.  Maybe Wilson changed his name for that release just to protect The Holloway sisters, as BOTH WERE under artist contract to Motown at that time?

The Sequins 'I'll be satisfied' on A&M

[Robbk]

On 27/12/2023 at 03:42, Graham Anthony said:

Chester St. Anthony-Together-A&M Demo does it actually exist as an issue with the artist credited as Chester Fields? I've never seen one and if it does exist it must be rare. It is also usually stated as being Frank Wilson of "Do I love you" but I think it sounds more like the OTHER Frank Wilson of The Remarkables/Frankie Vance etc. Any thoughts?

I've seen many copies of the Chester St. Anthony as the WDJ, and NEVER seen a store-stocker of it.  and I've seeonly the ONE store-stocker of the Chester Fields, but NO DJ issue of that one.  I wonder if A&M just changed the artist name for pressing the commercial issue, at Wilson's request (for some reason that we'll probably never learn?

[Robbk]

17 minutes ago, Tlscapital said:

The Sequins 'I'll be satisfied' on A&M

Yes, that's it.  I have the DJ record and bought it when it was out.  Brenda didn't have a single artist record for A&M.  And she absolutely WAS under exclusive contract with Motown as a singer at that time.  I think Patrice was still under contract with Motown as well, because she was still recording songs for them as late as late fall 1965.  So, even if The Remarkables' Frank Wilson was not under exclusive writing or singing artist contract with Motown at that time, he was working as a songwriter for Jobete, and either used the alias to protect Brenda and Patrice, or because he didn't want Marc or Hal to find out he was working on other projects, as he was concurrently working on important projects for them.  The latter seems a lot less likely, however. 

Edited January 2 by Robbk

[Rom1]

Found this RCA issue last summer in USA...never seen one before (always thought it was a wdj 45 only)

 

[Zanetti]

Never seen before, But maybe in some secret, ultra-curated collection. Or maybe there were rumblings about a possibly existing copy in the recent past ...
A stock copy of the very rare demo copy

Junior McCants - Try Me For Your New Love w/ She Wrote It - I Read It - KING (12364)

can probably be negated immediately, right?

[Zanetti]

On 18/12/2021 at 15:55, Zanetti said:

Interesting thread opened by Mr. Thorley in 2010. 
(I actually have to look at it again in a quiet minute).
Wouldn't there perhaps a thread or exchange of opinions after the rarest stock copy fit?
If it does not make sense, the admin may like to close this case here ... but I think I would like!

Of course, the whites are already something special, but it also goes the other way around - you know it too.

Gladly also English pressings - that is absolutely not my area - (Darrell Banks?)

Gladly a versatile exchange desired - Stay healthy

*Oh I see - I have not secured now, whether there was this question already - Mea Culpa? +reactivated+

I simply begin 

Perhaps I Will prepare something for this thread in the next week. Maybe some kind of final summary and vote.
I think it would be quite interesting to find out how the members here have positioned themselves if all these "thread tidbits" are bundled together. 

I will take a closer look at the comments, including suggestions and opinions, and make a selection of the most mentioned or most discussed stock copies based on your ratings.

I will then put these into a kind of xls. file for the final, anonymous vote.
(Maybe I'll ask Mike and he has a more elegant solution.), publish it here and in a certain period of time give you the last chance to vote for the "Rarest Stock Copy" determined by the Soul Source members, based on your knowledge, expertise and experience.

The ones I remember most is the following ...
Earl Jackson, Dennis Edwards, Dean Courtney!
We'll see ...