Gwen owens on jm’s

[Dobber]

Just listed to auction,so another frenzy in the making!

but my question is,john mentions the spilt second skip? What is this?

 

[Davey S]

£8600.

Dave.

[Dobber]

1 minute ago, Davey S said:

£8600.

Dave.

Haha straight in there! We should be running a betting ring

[Tagtag]

12 minutes ago, Dobber said:

Just listed to auction,so another frenzy in the making!

but my question is,john mentions the spilt second skip? What is this?

 

The first pressing run is known to have a small skip (SKIPS ONE NOTE) towards the end of the track on most copies.

 

[Greedy]

Regarding the skip at end . I've been listening to all the ones posted on YouTube but I can't find one where I noticed it,  so does that mean that they have posted  reissues?  Or are there more good ones rather than the ones that skip?

[Tagtag]

Given that the original - in any format - has always been said to be a "Holy Grail" then it is likely that most of the you tube clips are from 70's pressings. But of course we can't be sure.

[Dobber]

36 minutes ago, Greedy Mick said:

Regarding the skip at end . I've been listening to all the ones posted on YouTube but I can't find one where I noticed it,  so does that mean that they have posted  reissues?  Or are there more good ones rather than the ones that skip?

Id say more likely to have used a cd or boot soundfile,but with the real image!

31 minutes ago, Tagtag said:

Given that the original - in any format - has always been said to be a "Holy Grail" then it is likely that most of the you tube clips are from 70's pressings. But of course we can't be sure.

I agree mate

[Julianb]

1 hour ago, Tagtag said:

The first pressing run is known to have a small skip (SKIPS ONE NOTE) towards the end of the track on most copies.

 

Does the WD copy skip?

[Tagtag]

I seem to recall that the white demo's play slightly off centre - at least some of them do.

I think we all need to check Manship's guide later to refresh our memories.

[Greedy]

28 minutes ago, Julianb said:

Does the WD copy skip?

Whenever I have seen mick h play his demo I can't remember a skip . But at a niter my mind isn't at its best 👁👁

My next question is how do you tell an original apart from the 70s reissue?? 

[The Tempest]

Always preferred the other side ! 

[Simon T]

1 hour ago, Greedy Mick said:

Whenever I have seen mick h play his demo I can't remember a skip . But at a niter my mind isn't at its best 👁👁

My next question is how do you tell an original apart from the 70s reissue?? 

The demos don't skip, except this one.

The 'reissues' are styrene, I seem to remember

[Simon T]

1 hour ago, Tagtag said:

I seem to recall that the white demo's play slightly off centre - at least some of them do.

I think we all need to check Manship's guide later to refresh our memories.

Jim G post

 

 

Posted March 16, 2013

Edited October 21, 2021 by Simon T

[Simon T]

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[Julianb]

24 minutes ago, Simon T said:

The demos don't skip, except this one.

The 'reissues' are styrene, I seem to remember

Ouch!

[Davey S]

3 hours ago, Dobber said:

Haha straight in there! We should be running a betting ring

Good idea think my 8600 might be on the low side seeing how it's go up in one day , could it break £10,000 ?????

[Dobber]

41 minutes ago, Julianb said:

Ouch!

I reckon with some meticulous work i could make that go again!

[Greedy]

8 hours ago, Simon T said:

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Really appreciate that, Really interesting, 

8 hours ago, Davey S said:

Good idea think my 8600 might be on the low side seeing how it's go up in one day , could it break £10,000 ?????

Think the demo above has already broken many records 

Edited October 22, 2021 by Greedy Mick

[Samplat]

My white demo in ex con did not skip and since it went to Australia I have been mad at myself for letting it go 

[Greedy]

10 minutes ago, Samplat said:

My white demo in ex con did not skip and since it went to Australia I have been mad at myself for letting it go 

Hope it didn't end up like Don Gardner 

[Simon T]

On 21/10/2021 at 19:00, Greedy Mick said:

Hope it didn't end up like Don Gardner 

The Don Gardner went to Australia via the short-lived  company 'Lee Rogers Couriers Ltd' following a recommendation from another satisfied customer

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by Simon T

[Wilxy]

5 hours ago, Simon T said:

The demos don't skip, except this one.

The 'reissues' are styrene, I seem to remember

Nasty......

[Mick Boyle]

When Gwen came to the UK she brought 4 issues with her to sell (copies she claimed back from her family)       

Two copies had identical marking in the runout and two were completely different to to each other. So there must  of been at least 3 runs pressed. This may explain why some originals had the jump and others didn't. 

[Stanley]

2 hours ago, Mick Boyle said:

When Gwen came to the UK she brought 4 issues with her to sell (copies she claimed back from her family)       

Two copies had identical marking in the runout and two were completely different to to each other. So there must  of been at least 3 runs pressed. This may explain why some originals had the jump and others didn't. 

yes my mint issue (didn,t jump ) was from gwen at prestatyn. the w/d doesn,t jump to my knowledge.

[Winsford Soul]

1 hour ago, Stanley said:

yes my mint issue (didn,t jump ) was from gwen at prestatyn. the w/d doesn,t jump to my knowledge.

I remember it well George   when you asked me to hold those three records ( why you parked your car )  of the artists that where appearing that night. It will be the only time that I ever had any of those records in my possession.  Still tell people about it now. 

Hope you're keeping safe and well mate

[Stanley]

great memories them days..........all good best g

[Nick Soule]

I think the skip is really just down to the turntable and stylus. I've had three copies of the first pressing that is credited with having the skip, and all three played without skipping on a Technics 1200 with both a Shure Whitelabel and N44-7 weighted at 2.5 grams. Two of the copies would skip if you went up to 3 grams or below 2 grams. And oddly, they skipped in different places, but always towards the end of the song.

The real problem with this record is the fidelity of the second half. One of my old copies played through okay, but the other two (one was an EX copy) were practically unlistenable after the first half. Supposedly the demos have better fidelity throughout? 

[Frankie Crocker]

On 21/10/2021 at 19:00, Greedy Mick said:

Hope it didn't end up like Don Gardner 

Don Gardner should have been packed in a box in a box in a box... Why put a record in a thin packet that can be run over by a lorry when you can put it in a BIG box??? These scans of cracked records are traumatising...

[Julianb]

8 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said:

Don Gardner should have been packed in a box in a box in a box... Why put a record in a thin packet that can be run over by a lorry when you can put it in a BIG box??? These scans of cracked records are traumatising...

I think if it was run over by a lorry, the size of a cardboard box would have made no difference to the end result to Don!!☹

[Frankie Crocker]

1 hour ago, Julianb said:

I think if it was run over by a lorry, the size of a cardboard box would have made no difference to the end result to Don!!☹

But if the box was big enough, maybe it wouldn’t have fallen off the lorry in the first place, or the driver might have spotted it before driving off.

In any case, the theoretical inner box should have been an 8 inch by 8 inch cube chocker- block full of cardboard stiffeners, making the contents virtually indestructible.

[Tomangoes]

For the last 45 years, my top two tunes have been....Mr Washington's Tomangoes.....and this Velgo outing by Miss Owen's. Just cannot split them.

Number 3....alas is Mr Wilson's Dee Da Do.

Unlikely I'll ever own original copies.....the copies will have to do, but I have shaken the hands of said artists:)

Wanted and Needed is worth every penny of the £45 it used to sell for...but no doubt it will push close to £10k.

Ed

 

[Steve M]

On 21/10/2021 at 17:34, Simon T said:

The demos don't skip, except this one.

The 'reissues' are styrene, I seem to remember

Wasn’t that a mock up created by a members son? 

[Weingarden]

On 22/10/2021 at 15:47, Nick Soule said:

I think the skip is really just down to the turntable and stylus. I've had three copies of the first pressing that is credited with having the skip, and all three played without skipping on a Technics 1200 with both a Shure Whitelabel and N44-7 weighted at 2.5 grams. Two of the copies would skip if you went up to 3 grams or below 2 grams. And oddly, they skipped in different places, but always towards the end of the song.

The real problem with this record is the fidelity of the second half. One of my old copies played through okay, but the other two (one was an EX copy) were practically unlistenable after the first half. Supposedly the demos have better fidelity throughout? 

My green stock copy (not sure which pressing) skips starting at some point after about a minute forty. It's not in the same spot every time. Agree that the sound is weird too. I haven't experimented too much with different weights and needles. I was able to get a good-sounding, non-skipping, solid minute and a half out of it on my live radio show last year before I chickened out and faded into the next record. (Luckily it cost me only 50 cents.)

 

Edited October 27, 2021 by Weingarden

[Simon T]

On 22/10/2021 at 13:36, Mick Boyle said:

When Gwen came to the UK she brought 4 issues with her to sell (copies she claimed back from her family)       

Two copies had identical marking in the runout and two were completely different to to each other. So there must  of been at least 3 runs pressed. This may explain why some originals had the jump and others didn't. 

At that time Rob Thomas had those 4,  plus another 2 or three copies where in the room. I seem to remember that some copies had grooves  over the whole of the disk whilst a couple only 2/3rds .  I don't know which were 'skippers', but assumed those with the grooves closer together were skippers due the fact they were more cramped up.

[Solidsoul]

A friend of mine was dj'ing with an original vinyl copy. It was late and we had all had a few beers. He missed the sleeve and dropped it. Landing on it's edge, it rolled along the floor and he had to chase it! We were all frozen with horror, but luckily it was alright!  Gwen survived! We can laugh about it now, but it could have been costly!

Edited October 30, 2021 by D9 Ktf