For all those hung up on represses, originals, second issues.....even million sellers have lots of masters and represses.  

How original is the millionth press?

Some interesting reading into the process of making a record.

In a two-step process, the Father plate is converted into a stamper, and the Mother is shelved for future use. In a three step process, the Mother is plated to make the stamper plates.

One Father plate can produce 10 Mother plates, and one Mother can produce 10 stampers. Each stamper can produce about 1000 vinyl records. Therefore, a two-step process can produce a maximum of about 11,000 records before a remastering has to be done, and a three step process can produce up to about 100,000 vinyl records before remastering.
 

https://www.classic45s.com/why45s/process.html?fbclid=IwAR14LMhJHwozRe1SOY0pjzTsWr4r206tck0fPXRXO5MVQrD_ZfrEmgW5b6Y

Edited May 28, 20214 yr by Chalky

Really interesting read, I assume those numbers are theory, can the stampers be pushed to make more copies? Does the sound deteriorate?

I can imagine some producers pushing those limits. 

It certainly is interesting Karl. Thanks for sharing it mate 👍

  On 28/05/2021 at 06:38, Chalky said:

For all those hung up on represses, originals, second issues.....even million sellers have lots of masters and represses.  

How original is the millionth press?

 

 

Thats very interesting imformative reading on record manufacture.

Regarding your question.  I think that the millionth press can be classed as an original, if it is part of the original promotion/ release. 

If the record is still on it's first release on small label or picked up for national release, but still being pushed by the record companies as a new release it's an original. (It helps if the artists are still together and hoping for a hit record).

 An original to me is part of the original promotion/release of that song.

Edited May 28, 20214 yr by D9 KTF

  On 28/05/2021 at 06:38, Chalky said:

For all those hung up on represses, originals, second issues.....even million sellers have lots of masters and represses.  

How original is the millionth press?

Some interesting reading into the process of making a record.

In a two-step process, the Father plate is converted into a stamper, and the Mother is shelved for future use. In a three step process, the Mother is plated to make the stamper plates.

One Father plate can produce 10 Mother plates, and one Mother can produce 10 stampers. Each stamper can produce about 1000 vinyl records. Therefore, a two-step process can produce a maximum of about 11,000 records before a remastering has to be done, and a three step process can produce up to about 100,000 vinyl records before remastering.
 

https://www.classic45s.com/why45s/process.html?fbclid=IwAR14LMhJHwozRe1SOY0pjzTsWr4r206tck0fPXRXO5MVQrD_ZfrEmgW5b6Y

Good intresting stuff that , never really thought about the process,really only the playing of the record.  Thanks for sharing.👍

  On 28/05/2021 at 10:17, Geeselad said:

Really interesting read, I assume those numbers are theory, can the stampers be pushed to make more copies? Does the sound deteriorate?

I can imagine some producers pushing those limits. 

The stampers wear, you might get more you might get less but wouldn’t be too far out either way.

  On 28/05/2021 at 11:07, D9 KTF said:

Thats very interesting imformative reading on record manufacture.

Regarding your question.  I think that the millionth press can be classed as an original, if it is part of the original promotion/ release. 

If the record is still on it's first release on small label or picked up for national release, but still being pushed by the record companies as a new release it's an original. (It helps if the artists are still together and hoping for a hit record).

 An original to me is part of the original promotion/release of that song.

I agree of course it is original though it is a different master.  A three step process, if it equates to 100.000 discs, then 1.000.000 would be on the 10th master.

A release if kept on catalogue can be pressed for years.  Many even stayed on the charts for months and well over a year.  Until it is deleted or reissued with a different master number,, label etc then it will be original despite being a long time down the line. 

Edited May 28, 20214 yr by Chalky

  On 28/05/2021 at 13:57, Chalky said:

I agree of course it is original though it is a different master.  A three step process, if it equates to 100.000 discs, then 1.000.000 would be on the 10th master.

A release if kept on catalogue can be pressed for years.  Many even stayed on the charts for months and well over a year.  Until it is deleted or reissued with a different master number,, label etc then it will be original despite being a long time down the line. 

A perfect example of that chalky is  Darrell Banks on uk stateside. It ran from 1966 to 1972 with the same catalogue number. 

 

  On 28/05/2021 at 14:07, Wheelsville1 said:

A perfect example of that chalky is  Darrell Banks on uk stateside. It ran from 1966 to 1972 with the same catalogue number. 

 

I assume there is no way of definitively knowing where a certain record was pressed in the run?

  On 28/05/2021 at 11:07, D9 KTF said:

That's very interesting informative reading on record manufacture.

Regarding your question.  I think that the millionth press can be classed as an original, if it is part of the original promotion/ release. 

If the record is still on it's first release on small label or picked up for national release, but still being pushed by the record companies as a new release it's an original. (It helps if the artists are still together and hoping for a hit record).

 An original to me is part of the original promotion/release of that song.

Lots of people's opinions differ from this to different degrees with one to several exceptions, but this is precisely my definition of "original pressing".

Edited May 28, 20214 yr by Robbk

  On 28/05/2021 at 17:09, Geeselad said:

I assume there is no way of definitively knowing where a certain record was pressed in the run?

Some labels do put a stamp in the dead wax matrix tansy which master etc 1a, 1B etc