Philly International - The Rare & The Good

[Guest mel brat]

Forgot to mention her excellent work with the great Norman Conners

"'Mother Of The Future"'

"'Valentine Love" and my personal favourite ''Dindi"'

Cheers Paul

PS Mel do you have the MFSB LP "'Mysteries Of The World"'? Written produced and arranged for the most part by our man Dexter Wansel...?

Yes Paul, remember that well, though I was drifting off the scene at that time. Just can't afford to buy everything I like, so "I've Got Some Catching Up To Do" of my own!

On focusing on the original Philly thread, I was forgetting her work with Norman Conners! (He can sure pick a great vocalist can't he? (Eleanore Mills, Phyllis Hyman, Michael Henderson...) Also, Jean Carn stuff with Earth, Wind & Fire in the early days - gets around our Jean doesn't she?

Incidently, I was heavily engaged with the "Jazz/Funk" scene C.1977-81/2 (Ritz/Mecca alldayers, Chaplins, Rafters, Rum Runner, Cassenelli's etc.) I might post up some Jazz/Funk memorabilia soon, just for a change, if anyone's at all interested!

Edited February 7, 2007 by mel brat

[Richard]

Agreed Gray. I think it's a real grower, and written by The Fascinations too ! My copy is US but the label is a very pale green, almost silver. I have a UK Epic 45 too, but it's 'It's So Wonderful' which is the 'A' side of 'Love Don't Rub Off' with 'Put It in Motion' as the 'A' side which is more uptempo.

Any idea who Johnny Williams is?

My copy of this just arrived and it's different label design to yours Simon, was this how some of the 1st PIRs came out??

Doh just noticed the made in Canada at the bottom

Edited February 10, 2007 by richard

[Richard]

just a couple more picture sleeve scans

Have to agree The Whole Town's Talking by Billy Paul is very nice

[Steve G]

just a couple more picture sleeve scans

Have to agree The Whole Town's Talking by Billy Paul is very nice

Here we are 8 pages in and nobody's singing the praises of Bobby Bennett "Days go by"- fabUlus x-over

[Sean Hampsey]

Here we are 8 pages in and nobody's singing the praises of Bobby Bennett "Days go by"- fabUlus x-over

Agree Steve... how could we have overlooked such an awesome tune.

But is it as good as the Pickett version?

Never been able to decide on that one.

On further reflection, maybe Pickett just edges it.

But BB is great Philly 45!

Sean

[Steve G]

Agree Steve... how could we have overlooked such an awesome tune.

But is it as good as the Pickett version?

Never been able to decide on that one.

On further reflection, maybe Pickett just edges it.

But BB is great Philly 45!

Sean

I come down on the BB side on this one.....see you at "Essence" Sean, if not before.

[Sean Hampsey]

see you at "Essence" Sean, if not before.

Looking forward to it, Steve.

On the strength and popularity of this thread, looks like we'll be required to work a bit of Philly Magic into the repertoire!

See you then mate.

Sean

[Steveh73]

Bobby Bennett came out on a reissue 12 a few years ago via Soul Brother, I think. A superb side whatever the format, thats for sure!!

Steve.

[Guest Soul Sid]

ALLRITE PEEPS,

Personally theres one 45 on p.i.r that stands out a mile from the rest

Anthony White- Hey Baby- zsb 3566. Its also one of the rarer releases

paid £30.00 for my issue a couple of yrs back, but recently seen one on here for £150.00 ???

cheers Sid

[Steveh73]

I'm gonna try to get this thread up to 9 pages, so here's a few more Philly gems for you people to keep a look out for -

O Jays - Let Life Flow - Anthemic dancer from the Message In the Music Album

Instant Funk - So Glad I'm the One - TSOP 45 (Bunny Sigler vocalises on a nice 2-step b-side to It Ain't Reggae..)

Bily Paul - People Power - Don't think anyone has mentioned this 45

On the subject of Anthony White, Stop and Think It Over - I thought this came out on a 45 - can anyone confirm? What about The Jones Girls - Keep It Coming - did that get a single release?

Cheers

Steve.

[Richard]

The Jones Girls - Keep It Coming had a US release definitely on PIR 4385 with Better Things To Do on the flip and UK release as well I think https://www.raresoulman.co.uk/d/100548/JONES+GIRLS

In fact there's one for sale here https://www.soul-source.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=43023

Anthony White original is LP only but Stop And Think It Over had a 12" (re)release a couple of years ago. Another one from the album that I think could get some dancefloor action is Only Child's Play, has it ever got spins anywhere??

Edited February 16, 2007 by richard

[Guest niceonecyril]

One of my Philly faves is the juicy white label promo 12" The Spirits In It:Patti Labelle circa 1981.It's not about being rare just being good!!!!!.

[Guest]

Just posted a list of philly demos for sale this morning more to add over the weekend

Derek

[Guest]

Darling Come Back Home - love committee - tsop

14204 refosoul

1975

Sorry for the duplication. Thanks Si for the heads up.

This is worth uploading again. Trust me, it gets better every time you listen to it.

Hi Niki, amazing one, but.. i think it's not Love Committee but seems Ronnie Walker.. isn't?

[Steve Edgar]

Hi Niki, amazing one, but.. i think it's not Love Committee but seems Ronnie Walker.. isn't?

nah! deffo sounds like Ron Tyson to me! As an aside always thought it was kinda nice that after Ron had done some very "Temptations" sounding numbers with his first group The Ethics (prior to love committee) He should eventually become one of the many replacements for Eddie Kendricks in the Temptations!

steve

[Guest niceonecyril]

We must never forget Dee Sharp Gamble's sublime version of Terry Calliers What Color Is Love.A tune as they say in the trade.

[Guest]

Hi Niki, amazing one, but.. i think it's not Love Committee but seems Ronnie Walker.. isn't?

Ok, finally its Kaleidoscope - We're not getting any younger (TSOP, 1975) not Love Committee.

[Guest]

Up Up!

I want more philly gems!

[Guest]

Here We Go Again - peoples choice - pir

15217 refosoul

[Soul Shrews]

Stop And Think It Over - anthony white -

15222"]

Very nice Richard first time I"ve heard that is it on his LP?

Cheers Paul

[Richard]

Thats right Paul, from the Could It Be Magic lp. It got a reissue on 12" with The More I Get The More I Want by Teddy Pendergrass on the flip.

There's another real corker on there, if I get the chance I'll load it up tomorrow as i'll need to burn it on to cd

[Soul Shrews]

Thats right Paul, from the Could It Be Magic lp. It got a reissue on 12" with The More I Get The More I Want by Teddy Pendergrass on the flip.

There's another real corker on there, if I get the chance I'll load it up tomorrow as i'll need to burn it on to cd

Nice one Richard

Only have one 45 by him I'm afraid "Never Repay Your Love"/Never Let You Get Away From me"

Two good sides........... also on the LP?

Cheers Paul

[phillyDaveG]

SteveH - O'Jays "let life flow". Fantastic record and one of their very best, always get asked about it when I play it out.

OK, I could fill about 20 pages with P.Int favs, got all the Phil.Int LP releases. Here are a just a few of my many, many favs;

Jerry Butler "Let's make love" (1978)

Dells - "Somebody's gotta move" (1992)

Ebonys - "I'll try" (1973)

Force of Nature - "if you decide" (1976)

Futures - "Why must it end" (1980)

Phyllis Hyman - "Living in confusion" (1991)

Intruders - "Save the children" (1972)

Jacksons - "Find me a girl" (1977)

Shirley Jones - "She knew about me" (1986)

Patti Labelle - "If only you knew" (1983)

mcfadden & Whitehead "I've been pushed aside" (1979)

Universe feat. Jean Carn - "Love is beautiful (when it's right)" (1991)

[Richard]

Nice one Richard

Only have one 45 by him I'm afraid "Never Repay Your Love"/Never Let You Get Away From me"

Two good sides........... also on the LP?

Cheers Paul

Yes Paul, both on the LP. Really like Never Let You Get Away From Me

Wont have a chance to post the other track tonight as just got in from work but will do it if got a chance in the next day or so

[Soul Shrews]

SteveH - O'Jays "let life flow". Fantastic record and one of their very best, always get asked about it when I play it out.

OK, I could fill about 20 pages with P.Int favs, got all the Phil.Int LP releases. Here are a just a few of my many, many favs;

Jerry Butler "Let's make love" (1978)

Dells - "Somebody's gotta move" (1992)

Ebonys - "I'll try" (1973)

Force of Nature - "if you decide" (1976)

Futures - "Why must it end" (1980)

Phyllis Hyman - "Living in confusion" (1991)

Intruders - "Save the children" (1972)

Jacksons - "Find me a girl" (1977)

Shirley Jones - "She knew about me" (1986)

Patti Labelle - "If only you knew" (1983)

mcfadden & Whitehead "I've been pushed aside" (1979)

Universe feat. Jean Carn - "Love is beautiful (when it's right)" (1991)

Nice list Mr G

whatcha reckon to Grace Littles 12 of "Somebodys Gotta Move"?

Thought it was just the Dells track with her voice mixed in?

The last Philly vinyl release?

Cheers Paul

[phillyDaveG]

Yes, the Grace Little is a great version too, btw it comes from a very hard to get hold of CD of hers.

[Soul Shrews]

Yes, the Grace Little is a great version too, btw it comes from a very hard to get hold of CD of hers.

Whats the title of the CD please?

Saw her singing live (old Philly classics) at the Philly Int cafe in a casino in Atlantic City a couple of years ago.

She was excellant.

Cheers Paul

[Tsu Tomatoes]

Whats the title of the CD please?

Saw her singing live (old Philly classics) at the Philly Int cafe in a casino in Atlantic City a couple of years ago.

She was excellant.

Cheers Paul

Paul, the CD's called 'Amazin' Grace'

[Soul Shrews]

Paul, the CD's called 'Amazin' Grace'

Thanks tsu tomatoes

Cheers Paul

[Guest]

Leading Lady - jimmy ruffin - soul junction 7"

15685 refosoul

Previously unreleased.

[Guest soulville]

Great topic I love Philly. Good to see that keep on loving you is getting spins. I played it the last time I was on the radio alongside the one of the best philly tunes not on philly.......You'll have to listen in to my next radio show ( June 2007) or wait until I upload it on here to find out what it is. Clue 1979 MCA and no its not HM and the B's. :o)

One for the spotters and its a TUUUUUNE!

soulville

https://www.soulvilleradio.wetpaint.com

https://www.myspace.com/soulvilleradio

[Guest]

C'mon, bring the Philly Magic back!

[Platters 81]

Where did all the Lovin, go - teddy pendergrass - pir 3742

16314 refosoul

Fab beaty dancer....

Edited March 17, 2007 by platters 81

[Guest lastone]

Everybody Have A Good Time - archie bell & the drells - pir

This, the full length version, of "Everybody Have A Good Time" is a big fave of mine. Gets really hypnotic towards the end.

wow, great one!

[Sebastian]

wow, great one!

I'm glad you like it!

It's an absolute monster tune in my opinion.

[Bigsoulman]

Not sure about the "Ready For Teddy" LP BIGSOULMAN but its on his first solo Philly LP (1977) after he quit the Bluenotes.

Not sure about the price but every tracks a winner "You Can't Hide From Yourself" "Somebody Told Me" "Be Sure" "I Dont Love You Anymore" "The Whole Towns Laughing" etc

Cheers Paul

Here it is Paul

[Soul Shrews]

Here it is Paul

Thanks BIGSOULMAN

Is it some kind of compilation?

Cheers Paul

[Bigsoulman]

Thanks BIGSOULMAN

Is it some kind of compilation?

Cheers Paul

It's been kicking around for years Paul and to be honest never really paid much attention to it but just dug it out and yes you are right, from 1981 it is, need to look out for the original album in case the soul police come a knocking

Lenny

[Soul Shrews]

It's been kicking around for years Paul and to be honest never really paid much attention to it

but just dug it out and yes you are right, from 1981 it is, need to look out for the original album in case the soul police come a knocking

Lenny

Make sure them soul police 'ave a warrant Lenny !

Cheers Paul

PS Get the orignal LP you won't be dissapointed I"m sure

Edited March 24, 2007 by soul shrews

[Tsu Tomatoes]

Seeing as this thread's still going I thought some of you might like to hear again the 3 hour live Philly request show that myself & Niki Golding did for Starpoint radio at Xmas.

https://s28.quicksharing.com/v/6573417/xmas...uest_191206.mp3

[Tubbs]

Also been spinning this up in Aberdeen for a while now. Acetate has slightly diff intro to the French and German 45. Still none the wiser if this exists on a US 45 even though it was given a release number.

Tubbs

[Soul Shrews]

Also been spinning this up in Aberdeen for a while now. Acetate has slightly diff intro to the French and German 45. Still none the wiser if this exists on a US 45 even though it was given a release number.

Tubbs

Only got this on the LP tubbs..................might have a German 45 I"ll have to check

You got a full US 45s listing then? Would love to see that

Cheers Paul

[Richard]

Thanks for pointing us in the direction of this one, just had a nice white demo arrive this morning

[Richard]

While just on the subject of Teddy P, anyone tried playing out You Must Live On by him - slightly piched up it could work as maybe the track before the last one of the night

[Soul Shrews]

While just on the subject of Teddy P, anyone tried playing out You Must Live On by him - slightly piched up it could work as maybe the track before the last one of the night

Think my mate Chris "Bearsoul" has been playing this out richard. Not sure if he was pitching it up !

Great record

Cheers Paul

[Guest]

Great album too...but err.... not on PIR of course.

no matter if its not pir. It's philly and its good

[Guest]

Ooooh Nice Is it a 45?

[Richard]

It is indeedy Simon ZS5 02462 issue, the flip is I Can't Live Without Your Love. The demo has I Can't Live Without Your Love on both sides.

also on the LP Its Time For Love

Edited April 11, 2007 by richard

[Richard]

Also been spinning this up in Aberdeen for a while now. Acetate has slightly diff intro to the French and German 45. Still none the wiser if this exists on a US 45 even though it was given a release number.

Tubbs

Another nice French piccy bag

[Guest]

Another nice French piccy bag

Hello, "Philly Devotions"!!

I am a catalonian (from Tarragona, Spain) symphonic soul lover from my teens in the 70's. I allways loved the orchestrated soul of Chicago from Curtis to The Chi-lites and, of course, those lush and classical string arranged tracks by the green label PIR.

I'm not a DJ an not a musician. Simply a soul lover (despite the fact I do a Radio program of Soul Music betwen 1983-1985 in a local radio-station).

Here's a brief track list of my PIR-TSOP favourites (not necesarily "rare" items). I never stop to heard it from the firts time i got it:

-"Bitter Sweet" - MFSB (I likes the mellow trumpet notes!)

-"Don't Call Me Brother" - O'Jays (I think this is Eddie Levert at his best: bluesy, gospel, jazzy... and the nice vibes by Vincent Montana!)

-"The Big Hurt" - People's Choice (one of the tracks where Frank Brunson is richer)

-"Opus de Funk" - People's Choice (simply fantastic, mellow and a good sax by Sam Peak)

-"Soncere" - Michael Pedicin, Jr. (sax and wesmontgomerian guitar are simply delicious)

-"Bumpin' Boogie" - Talk Of The Town (the horn section at the intro is dynamite)

-"Virgin Girl" - Soul Survivors (my favorite by them, with the spanisg guitar and Neil Larsen at keyboards. Is a sweet but not corny or "bland" ballad)

-"I'm Searching For A Love" - Sharon Paige (and H. Melvin & The Blue Notes). I don't have words to describe this nice female voice and the pure poetry of this song.

-"Spring Again" - Lou Rawls (one of my Lou PIR favorites of all time from 77 on)

I'll post again for comment rarities and other Philly favorites (on PIR, Salsoul and other labels). I'm not a collector but, from the seventies there are some Philly rarities, specially the more jazzy - fusion catalogue I'm reaching for: "Half & Half" (Cleveland Eaton); "Poutpurri" (Thad Jones & Mel Lewis); "Bicentennial Poet" (Jean Claude T), Eloise Law's and Dee Dee Bridgewater Thom Bell produced stuff and Nancy Wilson's Gamble & Huff productions,...

A great and friendly salute from a phillyspaniard!!