NICK ALLEN -HARD WAY TO GO

[Rick Scott]

I dug this of my shelf  a day or two back and put up in the Favourites 2021 Thread and a Fellow Member

recommended i put it up here so, here it is, quite a hard single to come by by all accounts 

Enjoy a Wonderful Slab of Soul Music Of the Highest Order..... Rick 

 

 

[Chalky]

Excellent record.  It's not rare and was always readily available.  But it came into demand once more a couple of years or so again and its pretty much a keeper now.  I sold one for a ton few years ago.

 

Edited February 14, 2021 by Chalky

[Pga1]

Yep, good record and a nod to otis in the lyrics, cheers

[Blackpoolsoul]

1 hour ago, Rick Scott said:

I dug this of my shelf  a day or two back and put up in the Favourites 2021 Thread and a Fellow Member

recommended i put it up here so, here it is, quite a hard single to come by by all accounts 

Enjoy a Wonderful Slab of Soul Music Of the Highest Order..... Rick 

 

 

Nice one and so perhaps someone can shout out about Nick, I believe his son (Junior) was in The Modulations

Edited February 14, 2021 by Blackpoolsoul

[Psamsara]

7 hours ago, Chalky said:

Excellent record.  It's not rare and was always readily available.  But it came into demand once more a couple of years or so again and its pretty much a keeper now.  I sold one for a ton few years ago.

 

For a...     ton??!  

[Blackpoolsoul]

11 hours ago, Psamsara said:

For a...     ton??!  

It always has been the case that us English seem to expect the rest of the world to understand our ways !!!!

£100 is what was meant

[Psamsara]

5 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

It always has been the case that us English seem to expect the rest of the world to understand our ways !!!!

£100 is what was meant

Aha. It seemed rather odd. Why are you UK chaps using ton for 100? 

[Shinehead]

As much as I respect the people's above views to me this record is poor to my cloth ears ., the backing singers sound as though they were on mogodon.

But it's all about opinions mine is no better or worse than anyone's else's . 

Be kind people

 

 

[Blackpoolsoul]

1 hour ago, Psamsara said:

Aha. It seemed rather odd. Why are you UK chaps using ton for 100? 

The original usage of ton referring to £100 appears to be from Cockney Rhyming Slang, a word construction which relied both on phonetic but also on semantic links between words “in which case the person coining the slang term sees a semantic link, sometimes jocular, between the Cockney expression and its referent”.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/417176/how-did-a-ton-come-to-mean-one-hundred-of-something

Edited February 15, 2021 by Blackpoolsoul

[Psamsara]

40 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

The original usage of ton referring to £100 appears to be from Cockney Rhyming Slang, a word construction which relied both on phonetic but also on semantic links between words “in which case the person coining the slang term sees a semantic link, sometimes jocular, between the Cockney expression and its referent”.

https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/417176/how-did-a-ton-come-to-mean-one-hundred-of-something

Cheers for that 

[Rick Scott]

1 hour ago, Shinehead said:

As much as I respect the people's above views to me this record is poor to my cloth ears ., the backing singers sound as though they were on mogodon.

But it's all about opinions mine is no better or worse than anyone's else's . 

 

And That's the nice thing about Record Collecting, being Honest about How you hear a record and how other people may hear them are two different things, we can't all have the same taste which is the way it should be,

And As The Saying Goes, One persons Junk Can be Another Persons Treasure 

 

[Geeselad]

Like chalky I parted with mine a while back and although it does have some great qualities can't image it's easy to dance to. 

[Jnixon]

Nice enough mix tape tune for the car or home pleasure. 

Not worth anywhere near a long un in my view which is why I sold the copies I had as soon as they reached over that. 

Did seem very popular a decade or so ago though.

 

[Amsterdam Russ]

An almost menacing arrangement with a great, moody feel, and I love the punchy brass.

It gets my vote.

[The Yank]

On 14/02/2021 at 09:44, Blackpoolsoul said:

Nice one and so perhaps someone can shout out about Nick, I believe his son (Junior) was in The Modulations

   According to discogs, Nick was a member of the Four Internes (aka Internes) who recorded for Federal and Vee Jay in the 50's. 

[Chalky]

5 hours ago, Jnixon said:

Nice enough mix tape tune for the car or home pleasure. 

Not worth anywhere near a long un in my view which is why I sold the copies I had as soon as they reached over that. 

Did seem very popular a decade or so ago though.

 

It was big in the mid 80s and then had a revival 10 years ago, give or take a year or two

 

[Sebastian]

Great, super deep version of Lee Moses' "What You Don't Want Me To Be" on the flipside.

Strange that Moses version is credited to himself as songwriter and the Nick Allen version is credited to Bobby Dixon though. 

I just assume that Moses was first, but might be the other way around?

[Chris Turnbull]

Used to have it / tried hard to like it but too messy for me - great in places then a bit bewildering musically in others

On the subject of rhyming slang, just reading John Cooper Clarke's autobiography and he quotes some funny ones i.e. 'On the sausage' = Dole 

[Blackpoolsoul]

On 15/02/2021 at 12:53, Rick Scott said:

And That's the nice thing about Record Collecting, being Honest about How you hear a record and how other people may hear them are two different things, we can't all have the same taste which is the way it should be,

And As The Saying Goes, One persons Junk Can be Another Persons Treasure 

 

Aha, he was a barber William “Nick” Allen, Sr. and I was correct (for once)

https://www.bullcitysoul.org/nick-allen.html

[Jnixon]

18 hours ago, Chalky said:

It was big in the mid 80s and then had a revival 10 years ago, give or take a year or two

 

Was only buying the Beano back then! 

[The Yank]

9 hours ago, Sebastian said:

Great, super deep version of Lee Moses' "What You Don't Want Me To Be" on the flipside.

Strange that Moses version is credited to himself as songwriter and the Nick Allen version is credited to Bobby Dixon though. 

I

The album version credits Gibson. Where does it show Moses as the writer? 

[Sebastian]

14 hours ago, The Yank said:

The album version credits Gibson. Where does it show Moses as the writer? 

You're right! I should've checked that more thoroughly...

When I did my previous post I just had a quick glance at my Castle label Lee Moses compilation from 2007, and it credits Moses, seemingly incorrectly:

 

 

 

[Sebastian]

14 hours ago, The Yank said:

The album version credits Gibson. Where does it show Moses as the writer? 

 

BMI/Ascap credits "Moses" as well:

https://repertoire.bmi.com/Search/Search?SearchForm.View_Count=&SearchForm.Main_Search=BMI+Work+ID&SearchForm.Main_Search_Text=1841859&SearchForm.Sub_Search=Please+Select&SearchForm.Search_Type=all

[Blackpoolsoul]

41 minutes ago, Sebastian said:

 

BMI/Ascap credits "Moses" as well:

https://repertoire.bmi.com/Search/Search?SearchForm.View_Count=&SearchForm.Main_Search=BMI+Work+ID&SearchForm.Main_Search_Text=1841859&SearchForm.Sub_Search=Please+Select&SearchForm.Search_Type=all

That's why Castle did it wrong (they probs did same as you  or vice versa)........ BMI sometimes (like me) is way out wrong

Edited February 17, 2021 by Blackpoolsoul

[Rick Scott]

Thanks Guys for ALL your comments, interesting info gleamed along the way and a few laughs thrown in also. 
What i love about records like this and has me going back to them time and time again is Nick went into the Studio and recorded the Song the way He Felt it needed to be, Raw Honest To Goodness Soul, Warts and All  Lets face it i would rather have it That Way, Not All Spit And Polish, Great records Don't Have To Be Perfect but just has that something to Grab You, 

It makes me think about records like Little Richies "Just Another Heartache"  With That "Duff" Trumpet Note

that Everyone Joked about at the time , Yea we all Knew it was coming while we were on the dance floor, and yes Richie could have asked for a Re-Take but Hey, we would have been Robed of a Great Talking Point. On Top Of That Makes you wonder how Much Leg Pulling the Horn Player got for that Famous 'Bum Note', this is just what music is all about. Rick 

[Shinehead]

37 minutes ago, Rick Scott said:

Thanks Guys for ALL your comments, interesting info gleamed along the way and a few laughs thrown in also. 
What i love about records like this and has me going back to them time and time again is Nick went into the Studio and recorded the Song the way He Felt it needed to be, Raw Honest To Goodness Soul, Warts and All  Lets face it i would rather have it That Way, Not All Spit And Polish, Great records Don't Have To Be Perfect but just has that something to Grab You, 

It makes me think about records like Little Richies "Just Another Heartache"  With That "Duff" Trumpet Note

that Everyone Joked about at the time , Yea we all Knew it was coming while we were on the dance floor, and yes Richie could have asked for a Re-Take but Hey, we would have been Robed of a Great Talking Point. On Top Of That Makes you wonder how Much Leg Pulling the Horn Player got for that Famous 'Bum Note', this is just what music is all about. Rick 

Through your opening post I have listened to this often and it has now got me singing the chorus in my head at  regular intervals .

I can do without the backing singers though , they are dire

[Girdwoodinc]

Bought this originally for the flip side - which is an immense record, was pleasantly surprised when I heard the flip, definitely seen a resurgence in plays/wants over the past couple of years

ps I don't mind the backing vocals  

[Rick Scott]

3 hours ago, Girdwoodinc said:

ps I don't mind the backing vocals  

You and me both my friend, It all just works fine for me, love it, Cheers 

[Weingarden]

I think most Americans who like this one prefer the deep side. (At least that's why I have it.)

Edited February 27, 2021 by Weingarden

[Rick Scott]

On 27/02/2021 at 04:11, Weingarden said:

I think most Americans who like this one prefer the deep side. (At least that's why I have it.)

Yes, the Deep Side IS Wonderful Too Which makes it such a great Double Sider and  wanted Item the more people get to hear it 

[Jnixon]

^^^^^^

Seems to be the side that's picking up the $$$ atm, according to those in the know.

Not far off $500 on the last eBay auction outing.

Edited April 29, 2021 by Jnixon

[Bossfourpart1]

On 14/02/2021 at 14:39, Rick Scott said:

I dug this of my shelf  a day or two back and put up in the Favourites 2021 Thread and a Fellow Member

recommended i put it up here so, here it is, quite a hard single to come by by all accounts 

Enjoy a Wonderful Slab of Soul Music Of the Highest Order..... Rick 

 

 

Still have my copy from the 80ts and still love it

Edited April 29, 2021 by Bossfourpart1
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