Mark Oliver Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Seen both of these for sale on eBay from the same seller finishing today, value opinions on are they legit? https://www.ebay.com/itm/LISTEN-UNKNOWN-ARTIST-TOMANGOES-GREAT-NORTHERN-SOUL-8-ACETATE-RECORD/353327934747?hash=item5243fc6d1b:g:ExwAAOSwFn1f4PZf https://www.ebay.com/itm/LISTEN-THE-PRECISIONS-I-WANNA-TELL-MY-BABY-MY-LOVER-NORTHERN-SOUL-ACETATE/293916023655?hash=item446ec29b67:g:uukAAOSwXwBf4P1f Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dobber Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 I’d say they were,they look the same as many I’ve had over the years! Shame the tomangoes keeps skipping though,unless it can be repaired it ain’t worth having,the precisions is an ok tune too! I’ve had the released 45 in the past,sounds a bit dated now,not sure from a djing point of view it would have any impact! 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 They both look totally legit. Sadly, the pair look like they are delaminating on the run-ins with the lacquer missing. The turntable looks a bit naff so the stylus may be worn? That said, to auction a disc like this in the hope it will fetch good money, the seller should attempt to explain the three skips; are there noticeable nicks or gouges causing the problems? If the lacquer is actually missing where the disc skips, this should be made abundantly clear. Some skips can be fixed easily so if there is scope for this, it could be indicated. This could be a bargain-buy, especially if the disc is OK and the turntable is at fault, but who would be willing to spend big to find out? 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Henning V Herzen Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 The problem is that there are about 8 skips at least. It's gonna be tough to repair. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Benji Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Ebay says seller is from Tbilisi, Georgia.Jo Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Thfcliam Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Skips three times but listed at VG ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulhawk Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said: They both look totally legit. I'm not so certain - they have the look of custom-made acetates made in the 70's i.e Emi Discs etc I could swear that was Ron Murphy's handwriting 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Oliver Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 Appreciated all Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 1 hour ago, soulhawk said: I'm not so certain - they have the look of custom-made acetates made in the 70's i.e Emi Discs etc I could swear that was Ron Murphy's handwriting The whole haul has an eclectic look about it. The range of acetates suggests an interesting variety of sources. There are Emidiscs present that might set alarms ringing. The two disks in question look like studio test presses and at 8 inches diameter, not a 70’s knock-off. Someone has paid a hefty sum for the Washpan disk so were convinced it had potential value. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 17 minutes ago, Frankie Crocker said: The whole haul has an eclectic look about it. The range of acetates suggests an interesting variety of sources. There are Emidiscs present that might set alarms ringing. The two disks in question look like studio test presses and at 8 inches diameter, not a 70’s knock-off. Someone has paid a hefty sum for the Washpan disk so were convinced it had potential value. I wasn't convinced and I wouldn't have got involved tbh 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Oliver Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 Chalky appreciated and took that same decision Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 And it skips as well Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulhawk Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Tomangoes was recorded at United Sound and they had their own blank labels, so it's unlikely to be a studio acetate... what this reminds of is a Audiodisc acetate glued the bathroom wall in StreetCorner Records ( Detroit ) labeled, "F.WILSON" and "JOBETE" as a joke 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 1 hour ago, soulhawk said: Tomangoes was recorded at United Sound and they had their own blank labels, so it's unlikely to be a studio acetate... what this reminds of is a Audiodisc acetate glued the bathroom wall in StreetCorner Records ( Detroit ) labeled, "F.WILSON" and "JOBETE" as a joke One of the questions I asked myself? They could well have bought blanks in. I was far from convinced they were genuine studio discs Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mal C Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 5 hours ago, soulhawk said: I'm not so certain - they have the look of custom-made acetates made in the 70's i.e Emi Discs etc I could swear that was Ron Murphy's handwriting here is Ron Murphy's Handwriting on the left... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulhawk Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 calling CSI 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Eddie Hubbard Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 11 hours ago, soulhawk said: Tomangoes was recorded at United Sound and they had their own blank labels, so it's unlikely to be a studio acetate... what this reminds of is a Audiodisc acetate glued the bathroom wall in StreetCorner Records ( Detroit ) labeled, "F.WILSON" and "JOBETE" as a joke Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Nick Soule Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The same seller now has an acetate of the Magnetics "When I'm With My Baby" that has very similar handwriting to the Precisions: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LISTEN-THE-MAGNETICS-WHEN-IM-WITH-MY-BABY-UNIQUE-NORTHERN-SOUL-ACETATE/353338699595?hash=item5244a0af4b%3Ag%3AgoAAAOSwQaBf743N&LH_Auction=1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, Nick Soule said: The same seller now has an acetate of the Magnetics "When I'm With My Baby" that has very similar handwriting to the Precisions: https://www.ebay.com/itm/LISTEN-THE-MAGNETICS-WHEN-IM-WITH-MY-BABY-UNIQUE-NORTHERN-SOUL-ACETATE/353338699595?hash=item5244a0af4b%3Ag%3AgoAAAOSwQaBf743N&LH_Auction=1 He'll be listing a bridge next. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 The other big tip off is the acetate itself- look how far the grooves are spread out. I don't have one 60's or 70's (pre -Disco) acetate that has the grooves spread out so far- they are usually the same size as they would be on the 45. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Oliver Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share Posted January 3, 2021 2 hours ago, The Yank said: The other big tip off is the acetate itself- look how far the grooves are spread out. I don't have one 60's or 70's (pre -Disco) acetate that has the grooves spread out so far- they are usually the same size as they would be on the 45. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Alarm bells now ringing. I smell a rat. Apologies to anyone I might have mislead earlier. The seller could explain the provenance to help clarify matters. Another thing puzzling me is how can a 10 inch disc play at 45 rpm when a 7 inch record would (in contrast to a 12 inch playing at 33.3 rpm)? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) I have a few 10" acetates that play at 45 rpm BUT they're from the 70's. Edited January 3, 2021 by The Yank Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Frankie Crocker said: Alarm bells now ringing. I smell a rat. Apologies to anyone I might have mislead earlier. The seller could explain the provenance to help clarify matters. Another thing puzzling me is how can a 10 inch disc play at 45 rpm when a 7 inch record would (in contrast to a 12 inch playing at 33.3 rpm)? I don’t think you can relate size and speed. I have 12” vinyl that plays at 33 and 45rpm unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying. I probably have 7” vinyl that plays at 33 and 45rpm as well. but I do think these actetates are very suspect. Edited January 3, 2021 by Dylan 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Bloody dodgy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Harrogatesoul Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Find it very hard to believe the seller has Tomangoes & Magnetics acetates. What's next? Frank Wilson? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) On 26/12/2020 at 18:01, Benji said: Ebay says seller is from Tbilisi, Georgia no one else noticed this? plus did anyone have a look at the other items this geezer has for sale ? big tells.... imo Edited January 4, 2021 by Mike tidy 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simon T Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 16 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said: The seller could explain the provenance to help clarify matters. 'Just for fun', if you need any help with the provenance of A's etc, or indeed record collecting in general, I can highly recommend this video guide. Go to 40m 30s for information on A's. Considering the condition of the seller's A's, i.e. all M's, I suspect they came from Lard's collection. as they're 'hard to find in that condition'! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mark Oliver Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share Posted January 4, 2021 Thank you all. Agree didn't think these are authentic and feel for the bidders who won the Precisions and Tomangoes obviously believing these could be legit. Simon T. appreciated the video Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 So the venerable 'Lard' starts off wrong at square one by inferring that acetates and test pressings are one and the same and are the first stage of record production .... no wonder folk get it wrong if so-called 'popular experts' keep filling them with false info ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I didn’t believe the first two, Precisions and Tomangoes were real, It was said where he came from at the beginning and looking at his other sales at the time didn’t fill me with any confidence they were real. This latest just reinforces what I thought originally. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 23 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said: Alarm bells now ringing. I smell a rat. Apologies to anyone I might have mislead earlier. The seller could explain the provenance to help clarify matters. Another thing puzzling me is how can a 10 inch disc play at 45 rpm when a 7 inch record would (in contrast to a 12 inch playing at 33.3 rpm)? Depends what speed it was cut at I guess but not sure I’ve heard anything less than 12 on acetate play at 33. Seen plenty of issued 45s play at 33, got some myself. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Chalky said: Depends what speed it was cut at I guess but not sure I’ve heard anything less than 12 on acetate play at 33. Seen plenty of issued 45s play at 33, got some myself. But they wouldn't be 45's then they'd be 33's ... Apologies Karl , but I have to start the year the way I mean to continue .... a twat ... 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said: But they wouldn't be 45's then they'd be 33's ... Apologies Karl , but I have to start the year the way I mean to continue .... a twat ... why change the habit of a lifetime...... 7” that play at 33rpm 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Woodbutcher Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 We call them EP's down here in civilisation sir ... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 11 minutes ago, Woodbutcher said: We call them EP's down here in civilisation sir ... ah but they have 3 usually 4 tracks though Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
The Yank Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 RCA and Columbia did release 33 rpm singles in the 60's but the format never caught on - 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I think generally 12” singles that play at 45rpm have better louder sound quality than a 12” that plays at 33rpm. bigger grooves more spaced out. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Chalky said: Depends what speed it was cut at I guess but not sure I’ve heard anything less than 12 on acetate play at 33. Seen plenty of issued 45s play at 33, got some myself. Thanks Chalky. I was thinking along the lines of 70’s Emidiscs being cut on 7 inch acetates at 45 rpm so when 10 inch oddities appear, what was the cutting standard? The more I look at the acetates in question, the more baffled I am. The recent one also has significant edge damage like the previous two but they all look different suggesting someone has got hold of some old, damaged discs... Mike’s point above points to details that anyone would question. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Speedlimit Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Here we go new that audio disc wasn't legit magnetics recorded at mbs Chicago 3 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 Magnetics currently at $787. All the bidders’ identities are hidden for a Private reason, probably because there is something to conceal Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said: Magnetics currently at $787. All the bidders’ identities are hidden for a Private reason, probably because there is something to conceal Some gullible people about who just don't do their homework. The seller has been identified on Facebook as a well know faker darryl Menkin with evidence to support. Edited January 6, 2021 by Chalky Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 9 minutes ago, Chalky said: Some gullible people about who just don't do their homework. The seller has been identified on Facebook as a well know faker darryl Menkin with evidence to support. The Private bidders have shivved the number up, but surely nobody put in a genuine bid. Hopefully someone will refer the case to eBay. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulstrutter Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 As a few others have mentioned .... alarms bells rang immediately I saw Tiblisi, Georgia!!! Why would they be there? .. and what's the chances of any comeback if you did buy and they were 'wrong uns'! I may be wrong but wouldn't take the risk! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulstrutter Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said: Magnetics currently at $787. All the bidders’ identities are hidden for a Private reason, probably because there is something to conceal That's the seller not buyer hiding identities - it's an option you have as a seller so others can't see who's bidding! ... but it's also convenient for him when someone wants to inspect feedback ... as also can't see what he was selling! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Modernsoulsucks Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Chalky said: Some gullible people about who just don't do their homework. The seller has been identified on Facebook as a well know faker darryl Menkin with evidence to support. Darryl Menkin ? 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Frankie Crocker Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Soulstrutter said: That's the seller not buyer hiding identities - it's an option you have as a seller so others can't see who's bidding! ... but it's also convenient for him when someone wants to inspect feedback ... as also can't see what he was selling! Yes, the seller hiding his mates’ bids or his other eBay account details or just keeping his business ‘private’ wink, wink, nudge, nudge. ‘Private’ means avoid, steer clear, watch out, something fishy going on... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 11 hours ago, Chalky said: Some gullible people about who just don't do their homework. The seller has been identified on Facebook as a well know faker darryl Menkin with evidence to support. Is this his website https://www.elvinyl.co.uk/artists/7082-darryl-menkin-vinyl Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Is this his website https://www.elvinyl.co.uk/artists/7082-darryl-menkin-vinyl that appears to be a uk marketplace site as in it sell items, here's their about page https://www.elvinyl.co.uk/about Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 7, 2021 Share Posted January 7, 2021 12 hours ago, Chalky said: the magnetic auction leads to this youtube account/page https://www.youtube.com/user/vinyluniverse7/videos Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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