The Christine Cooper thread got me thinking, why don't we do one on rarer issue's & demo's. So if it's one you dont see every day of the week, post it up.

Here's one to kick off with....

J.B.Bingham on an issue

Keep coming back for more - lorraine rudolph - jet stream

14070 refosoul

Class !!

  Awake 502 said:

Keep coming back for more - lorraine rudolph - jet stream

14070 refosoul

Class !!

Class indeed..... .....love how she pours it out going into the fade....a great record.

Cheers Awake.....

by the way mate do you have a Eddie parker on Awake 502 then.......absolute great track and then some.

Edited January 30, 200718 yr by melandthensome

Hi

Another B Side

Anyone know if a Stock Copy exists for Tobi Legend.

I have scanned the two that I have by her, both have the same B Side "HEARTBREAKER".

I guess that these were the only three tracks cut as Tobi Legend

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I have had a look on Popsike, where I noticed this DEMO, which is slightly different to the others, but No Stock Copy.

Popsike.Com

If the same applies with this, as with Morris Chestnut, it would appear that two different pressing plants were involved.

One copy having the AMY or MALA before the Number & the other just having the Number.

Morris Chestnut as we know, did have a Blue Stock Copy.

There are two DEMO's, one of which does look like a Stock Copy from the "TOO DARN SOULFUL" side.

However, it has "PLUG SIDE" on the "YOU DON'T LOVE ME ANYMORE" Side.

981 Is a styrene Monarch & Delta # 65704 on one side & 65704-X the other.

The strange thing is (considering that the other DEMO has the Labels Reversed) is that the PLUG SIDE has 65704-X.

The -X following a Delta Number, normally denotes the B Side?

AMY 981 is Styrene with a "B" Matrix STAMPED in the Deadwax Has the Labels Reversed

The Blue Label AMY Stock copy is the rarest and hardest to obtain. A Friend of mine had this years ago, the only time I've seen one, other than a scan.

I've got both DEMO's in the collection, the Blue AMY Stock Copy is virtually impossible, hope you find one.

The Blue AMY scan below is from Popsike.com

https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php...x=0&y=0

IT'S ALWAYS WORTH A LOOK ON POPSIKE.COM WHEN VALUING RECORDS

Edited January 30, 200718 yr by 45cellar

  Dazz said:

Think Richard Searling had a demo copy Dave, Black and white label design

I thought Searlings was the same as this one Dazz...certainly someone at Wigan had this one, remember taking a peep at it on the decks

I met a guy a few Years ago, who was one of the Supervisors at the RCA pressing plant in Indiana during the 1960's. As you'd imagine all promo's were freebies, sent out (and then forgotten about) to Radio Stations, D.J.'s and the like, whereas Issues were sent out on sale or return. once returned to the plant, the centre was punched out and the vinyl then recycled to make more records. I'd hazard a guess that many of the other Major's employed the same system.

Des Parker

  SOUL.INC said:

I met a guy a few Years ago, who was one of the Supervisors at the RCA pressing plant in Indiana during the 1960's. As you'd imagine all promo's were freebies, sent out (and then forgotten about) to Radio Stations, D.J.'s and the like, whereas Issues were sent out on sale or return. once returned to the plant, the centre was punched out and the vinyl then recycled to make more records. I'd hazard a guess that many of the other Major's employed the same system.

Des Parker

Hi

Thanks, that would explain a lot.

  SOUL.INC said:

I met a guy a few Years ago, who was one of the Supervisors at the RCA pressing plant in Indiana during the 1960's. As you'd imagine all promo's were freebies, sent out (and then forgotten about) to Radio Stations, D.J.'s and the like, whereas Issues were sent out on sale or return. once returned to the plant, the centre was punched out and the vinyl then recycled to make more records. I'd hazard a guess that many of the other Major's employed the same system.

Des Parker

Explains how scarce these are then...

A few more scarcer variations.....Bob Brady on Red Chariot, Master Four on cartoon Tay-Ster and Coasters on West Coast Styrene issue.....

Few more while the scanners hot....

Rare local label release of this monster Stu Gardner double-sider prior to its A&M release:

  pikeys dog said:

Explains how scarce these are then...

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Hi

I just love the RCA Victor Stock Copies, I have The Bobbettes, but not Robert Walker, only on DEMO, Never Seen a Stock Copy .... Ever

Until Now

Edited February 1, 200718 yr by 45cellar

  45cellar said:

The Blue Label AMY Stock copy is the rarest and hardest to obtain. A Friend of mine had this years ago, the only time I've seen one, other than a scan.

I've got both DEMO's in the collection, the Blue AMY Stock Copy is virtually impossible, hope you find one.

The Blue AMY scan below is from Popsike.com

https://www.popsike.com/php/quicksearch.php...x=0&y=0

Just catching up with some threads and this has just brought back some painful memories ....

That one was mine.... now having one of those "I wish I hadn't sold that" moments :fool: ....

Puts our various selections of scruffy RCA whites into the shade! The Robert Walker scan is stunning (as is the track itself).

  pikeys dog said:

Explains how scarce these are then...

  pikeys dog said:

Here's one to file alongside it...

Rarely see U.S. copies of this but have seen loads of UK Beacon on several label colours.

Ay up Pikey...........did you see the minter i got for less than a tenner,you was sat next to me.

Picked these up the other day. Both cheap records, but dead rare on white demo's...

  ken said:

Ay up Pikey...........did you see the minter i got for less than a tenner,you was sat next to me.

Wasn't looking at buying anything, but I had to take the Servicemen at £50....

  SteveM said:

Is that yours Ted ?

Only one I've seen is Gingers copy. How many are there ?

Paul Johnson from Bolton had Willie Hutch on an issue.I can remember

him selling it to Bob Burton for£30.00 about20 yrs ago, at The Wheel.

Sid

  pottsy said:

rarer issue's...

Cats/mecca classic...

And some for Mecca/Seventies fans (for a change!)

Edited March 3, 200718 yr by mel brat

  Pete-S said:

I thought Searlings was the same as this one Dazz...certainly someone at Wigan had this one, remember taking a peep at it on the decks

Funny you should mention it, as I remember having a similar peep at a copy of Morris Chestnut that Richard was playing back in early 1974! - it was a pink demo and the labels were reversed (as many copies are) I remember it vividly because it was the first time I'd looked at a copy of what was then the biggest sound around. I dare say he had several copies over the years though...

I later obtained a copy which was a regular demo, again with reversed labels, however I no longer have one at all! (sob!)

Edited March 3, 200718 yr by mel brat

  45cellar said:

Hi

Now that is RARE, Here are the other labels.

You Got To Pay The Price - Gloria Taylor -

13327 refosoul

I was SO THRILLED to get a copy on UK Polydor when I was about 16/17 ha ha! However I still really love this record to bits, and my Polydor copy stays close to my heart, and in my "all-time fave's" box, to this day!

Edited March 3, 200718 yr by mel brat

crazy emma lets get together for christmas on scepter

clydie king & brown sugar dance to the music on chelsea

al green i want to hold your hand on hi

Couldn't be bothered to check all 8 pages to see if this had been posted up, but this is way rarer on issue than it is on demo

Issue and a Euro issue !!

Here is a scan of the other side of Jean Plum - Here I Go Again.

I don't know how rare it is, but I cant remember seeing an issue listed.

John

  BarrowbySoul said:

Issue and a Euro issue !!

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Brilliant RCA Stock Copy Extremely Rare and sought after.

There's just something so Special about the RCA Stock Copies, finding them ain't easy though.

Nice European Patti Austin copy too.

Edited August 10, 200717 yr by 45cellar

Which European country is the Patti Austin from?

It doesnt carry any licensing details (Biem etc)

Looks more like a South African copy to be honest.

  45cellar said:

Brilliant RCA Stock Copy Extremely Rare and sought after.

There's just something so Special about the RCA Stock Copies, finding them ain't easy though.

Nice European Patti Austin copy too.

Got Elvis "any day now" on RCA stokcer,i aint seen anybody else with one

  Awake 502 said:

Another rare issue...

I used to have a slower version of the Natural Four on Boola Boola, a west coast label i think, Does anyone know anything about it?. Haven`t got it any more, sold it years ago. Curious about it as i haven`t seen another one since. Is it the original version speeded up for ABC release or the other way round.

Mark

may well be a SA issue as all writing is english !!, got it off Pat Brady a while ago and he wasn't sure either !!!

i hope this is the right thread for this. there seems to be an emense wealth of knowledge on this site and would be grateful if i could get any information of some records i have. this is a genuine request as my knowledge is close to zero compared to others on this site. thanks in advance

firstly, i have a copy of F. chevez that looks the same as the picture below. the side shown has scatched numbers in the runout. the flip has scratched numbers but also has a stamp (MR). is this real or boot?

  45cellar said:

the following scans i would appreciate any info on

and these two that wouln't fit on last page...

Is that carpet 100% wool or man made mike ?

  tim smithers said:

Is that carpet 100% wool or man made mike ?

your knowledge is as good as mine then Tim?

firstly, i have a copy of F. chevez that looks the same as the picture below. the side shown has scatched numbers in the runout. the flip has scratched numbers but also has a stamp (MR). is this real or boot?

Hi Mike the boot of Freddie Chazez is styrene and has a delta number 101310 I think I am right in saying that the MR stamp is the mark of Monarch records of Los Angeles. The original is vinyl with a moulded over label. Hope this helps.

  bob said:

firstly, i have a copy of F. chevez that looks the same as the picture below. the side shown has scatched numbers in the runout. the flip has scratched numbers but also has a stamp (MR). is this real or boot?

Hi Mike the boot of Freddie Chazez is styrene and has a delta number 101310 I think I am right in saying that the MR stamp is the mark of Monarch records of Los Angeles. The original is vinyl with a moulded over label. Hope this helps.

thank you. that'll be a boot i've got then

If you acquired them from my sales box or even my play box Mike there definitely boots

  melandthensome said:

anyone got a scan of THE RARE 'SLICED TOMATOES' before Music Merchant by any chance......never ever seen one.

NEIL RUSHTON'S GOT ONE!!

ONLY ONE IV'E EVER SEEN IN 40 YRS!!

MAX..

  45cellar said:

Okay posted these about a year ago but here they are again:

Sheppards issue and demo, both on ABC paramount (as oppose to the later ABC logo)

Here's another ABC one. Rare issue:

  mikecook said:

i hope this is the right thread for this. there seems to be an emense wealth of knowledge on this site and would be grateful if i could get any information of some records i have. this is a genuine request as my knowledge is close to zero compared to others on this site. thanks in advance

firstly, i have a copy of F. chevez that looks the same as the picture below. the side shown has scatched numbers in the runout. the flip has scratched numbers but also has a stamp (MR). is this real or boot?

the following scans i would appreciate any info on

Regarding the FREDDIE CHAVEZ Delta #101310 on Styrene is a BOOT. There is another BOOT on Vinyl.

The Original is on Vinyl. I will scan the Matrix Later.

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Regarding the George Carrow

I have just started a thread about this one, in "The Sharp End Of Vinyl"

>>> GEORGE CARROW <<<

I will be adding extra Information, but I am on Nights so I will post Later.

Edited April 1, 200817 yr by 45cellar

  45cellar said:

Nice to see these two together.

Out of interest, I havn't seen a Showstoppers DEMO on Partytime, only Stock Copies.

I had a BellSound test pressing of this which was overlayed onto a PartyTime label (you could just see it at the edge) but the typed details on the label indicated a Showtime release - so may well not have been demo'd on PartyTime.

Paul

***NB This relates to the Ain't nothing but a houseparty***

Edited April 1, 200817 yr by our kid

  MarkP said:

I used to have a slower version of the Natural Four on Boola Boola, a west coast label i think, Does anyone know anything about it?. Haven`t got it any more, sold it years ago. Curious about it as i haven`t seen another one since. Is it the original version speeded up for ABC release or the other way round.

Mark

Yes!!i have had three of em`,and i would say niether its a different recording.

  our kid said:

I had a BellSound test pressing of this which was overlayed onto a PartyTime label (you could just see it at the edge) but the typed details on the label indicated a Showtime release - so may well not have been demo'd on PartyTime.

Paul

Thanks for this Information,

I think this is possibly the only type of DEMO in existence for the Party Time Copy.

Edited April 1, 200817 yr by 45cellar

spellbound on stock copy

  Baz said:

I've always wanted to know why things on the major lables MGM RCA ect are always rarer on issue than demo such major lable have a big bit of clout behind them money wise, so why did they always press up more demos seems backwards to me, but there 'should' be thousands of the issues around (but obviously they are not) thoughts any one?

I thought the big labels offered record stores/distributers a "sale or return" deal on issues, much like shops get with newspapers.

No demos could be returned because they were free to dj's /radio stations etc.

Havn`t read the whole thread, but think this ones quite rare

Blimey, i'd forgot about this thread.

Conquistadores issue & demo....