Picture a world with no more soul events

[Speedlimit]

OK with the pandemic on going and no vaccine on the arisen what would it be like to never be able to attend a venue again, would we see the demise of the scene for ever.??? 

[Zoomsoulblue]

Wow - what is this doom and gloom time, while people are passionate about something, Soul, Elvis, Mozart (1756-1791) - It will never end - look on Soul Source thousands of people talking and celebrating different aspects of Soul music / memories / photos / storeys etc - great times In the past, great times ahead - yes am sure it will be slow and steady but hey - One Step At a Time - I think there’s a tune there somewhere

[Winsford Soul]

It will never be over for me. ( quote  )  

Never going to happen.  Venue's up and running this year. 

[Leicester Boy]

33 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

It will never be over for me. ( quote  )  

Never going to happen.  Venue's up and running this year. 

Absolutely, looking forward to newquay weekender in November.

[Chalky]

Folks will be running and attending events as soon as the words leave Boris’s mouth with no regard to the consequences such as a second spike.  

[Petesi]

Events will return slowly but surely, everybody has the choice. Either "live your life" or just grow old and wish you had. 

[Guest]

I think we'll have to promise not to attend if we have symptoms, no matter how mild, and try to refrain from all the kissy kissy, huggy huggy and even handshaking, until there's more confidence. As for using public toilets, well, that's a whole other hazard!

Time for someone to start making record label face masks methinks.

"Do you have a Mary Jane, original, uncontaminated Coronavirus facemask from 2020?" "Wish I did mate, only 5 were made, worth £5k now". 

 

[Chalky]

8 minutes ago, PeteSi said:

Events will return slowly but surely, everybody has the choice. Either "live your life" or just grow old and wish you had. 

Plenty of time to live once a vaccine is found.  Laid up with a virus doesn’t pay the rent and bills.  If no vaccine can be found then that is a whole different ball game. 

Edited June 2, 2020 by Chalky

[Blackpoolsoul]

Logically until schools, shops, sports etc have no social distancing, then venues will not be able to run surley

You may be waiting I think until well into 2021

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Logically until schools, shops, sports etc have no social distancing, then venues will not be able to run surley

You may be waiting I think until well into 2021

I agree

3 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

 

 

Edited June 2, 2020 by Guest
Duplication

[Soulman58]

7 hours ago, Chalky said:

Plenty of time to live once a vaccine is found.  Laid up with a virus doesn’t pay the rent and bills.  If no vaccine can be found then that is a whole different ball game. 

And that whole different ball game is still a possibility.  It has been interesting how the chat from Govt recently seems to be moving away from talking about the vaccine much.  I have even heard 2 of the sage folks talking about the fact there is still no cure for aids.  Crossing far too many things hoping that will not be the case. 

[Geeselad]

11 hours ago, Chalky said:

Plenty of time to live once a vaccine is found.  Laid up with a virus doesn’t pay the rent and bills.  If no vaccine can be found then that is a whole different ball game. 

Personally, I believe regardless of whether a vaccine is found, there Will be events, legal or otherwise. Maybe a return to a true underground of unlicensed venues might hint at the atmosphere of the heydays of yore.

Chalky you feel like that now, but how about in 6 months, or year? As we've seen, many are starting to take liberties and that will only grow. We have a crew of aging piss heads who gather daily to drink cans on the town hall steps, in my town. The  level of policing is a fraction of what it was 30 years ago, regardless of the statistics. Posturing and threats from the government are totally unrealistic. 

Maybe what will define us won't be the width of our trouser bottoms or ' the knowlege', at these events but whether we have the desire be to continue live, dance and share a comunal experience. FFS their are heavy metal bands that formed in the centre of war zones. I can't imagine a world without soul events and don't want to.

I think the essence of the new normal will be tollerance and respect of others veiws and concerns.

Edited June 2, 2020 by Geeselad

[Leicester Boy]

Without a second wave and as many scientists say that it wont happen as say it will, i would expect events in the autumn as long as the rules that are set at the time are met, large venues with adequate social distancing,  dance floor well we naturally socially distance. When it's classed as safe to return i certainly will vaccine or not, I've been at work from the start working at safe distance from people why not socially.? In a democratic country if it's allowed its up to the individual,  don't want to attend fair enough,  happy to attend go for it.

[Hooker1951]

Let’s just face the truth there will never be live Soul events ever again, We should all learn to have new interests, Gardening, fishing, more walking, listening to Radio for weather reports etc, no more amphetamine, no more beer, no more seeing you life long friends, no more dancing ,no more memories, Everybody just join the rest of the boring lifestyle of most Human Beings, Sounds terrifying  doesn’t it ?

Listen Up! Stay positive, Make plans , be prepared with what we’ve got at the moment and then as lockdown eases up add the the ingredients to make Soul Events happen again, You can never stop the Music, Look forward to it and it will happen.

Take Care

ML

 

[Blackpoolsoul]

"Many in the industry accept that there will be no events over a 1,000 person capacity until next March at the earliest."

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/5dzzj8/when-uk-nightclubs-reopen-future

[Stephen Houghton]

Hopefully it will settle down soon, and the soul events will trickle back but in different forms, like social distancing on the dance floor (Brill) and scrap the dancing competitions (fantastic) 

[Soulman58]

Easy to say/hope it will return asap, harder to put in place; based upon regulations/depending what does/doesn't become law.  Then again maybe lawlessness will take over everywhere and Geeselad may be proved to be right.

[Chalky]

3 hours ago, Leicester Boy said:

Without a second wave and as many scientists say that it wont happen as say it will, i would expect events in the autumn as long as the rules that are set at the time are met, large venues with adequate social distancing,  dance floor well we naturally socially distance. When it's classed as safe to return i certainly will vaccine or not, I've been at work from the start working at safe distance from people why not socially.? In a democratic country if it's allowed its up to the individual,  don't want to attend fair enough,  happy to attend go for it.

I’ve not seen many suggest a second wave won’t happen?

I’ve worked throughout this and been all over the country and I’ve seen nothing to suggest people will be respectful of others once Limitations are eased, quite the contrary tbh.  M ay distribution  centre, sites factories hardly any social distancing.  Those who have since returned Far too many have  simply slipped back into their old ways and for this reason a lone I don’t think any event of any kind can work successfully until this virus has disappeared or we all have immunity.
 

Our scene has to be one of the unhealthiest especially amongst regualr nighter goers especially once the sherbet dip is opened and the ale flows, all inhibitions just go out of the window.

Too many around me amongst family and friends who would be at risk For me to consider returning to a venue this year at the very least.
 

Many others on an ageing scene would be in the at risk category too, lack of sleep, drugs etc all reduce the capability of the immune system. 

[Chalky]

Neither have a missed nights out, mates etc yes but the music I have heard at home has been far better than most nights out. Converting old tapes to upload I’ve heard many I haven’t heard in years. 

[Smartzie]

Also, some venues may not reopen. A lot were struggling beforehand. 

[Smartzie]

My fellow dj has been busy.. ; ) kind

 

[Winsford Soul]

On 02/06/2020 at 13:27, Flamingemeralds said:

I think we'll have to promise not to attend if we have symptoms, no matter how mild, and try to refrain from all the kissy kissy, huggy huggy and even handshaking, until there's more confidence. 

 

Mrs. I'm sorry but refrain from the kissy, kissy  huggy, huggy and handshakes is not going to happen.  I miss  my friends and can't wait to see them again  and give them all hugs and kisses . 

Edited June 4, 2020 by Winsford Soul

[Soulmark]

Hoping soul a go go in October in Leeds is still on 

[Kathryn Magson]

I'll feel nervous about it, but I'll be out at soul do's as soon as I feel it's safe to do so - I hope I won't be the only one wearing a hazmat suit & goggles...………. & I'll run a mile if anyone rushes to hug me...….

[Mike]

ain't this period of time a moment in time  when the decent skilled promoters will shine and the not so smart ones fade away?

 

nothing seen on here, but anyone doing ought like this 'northern' wise out there...?

 

https://www.nme.com/news/music/uks-first-legal-socially-distanced-rave-held-in-nottingham-2682489

[Blackpoolsoul]

1 hour ago, Mike said:

ain't this period of time a moment in time  when the decent skilled promoters will shine and the not so smart ones fade away?

 

nothing seen on here, but anyone doing ought like this 'northern' wise out there...?

 

https://www.nme.com/news/music/uks-first-legal-socially-distanced-rave-held-in-nottingham-2682489

I guess as The Chancellor said about businesses Mike "some will not make it"

It might not be any good being a promoter if the venues themselves collapse as the hight streets may do (some businesses). I guess those run by the councils, such as here with "the Winter Gardens" and "The Tower" should get through it, but cuts and cuts are surely coming soon.

Dancing on the Soul scene is usually more "distanced" than most, but not in the seating or bar areas and that will most likely suggest that until pubs / cafes open (with no restrictions) promoters can totally forget it happening IMHO

I have seen comments about gigs this year (later) from promoters still stating not cancelled (as yet) and it reminds me a little of when the lockdown first happened and they were hoping.

It would be nice to get opinions from Kev and Richard as they are more expert then me.

Edited June 6, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul

[Joesoap]

Speaking for myself, I'm loving the online events that have emerged. I think that way of doing things has a lot of potential even after lockdown ends..

[Mike]

still thinking that the first 'northern' event is not that far away

and do like that 2 pint stein idea 

[Leicester Boy]

Just now, Mike said:

still thinking that the first 'northern' event is not that far away

and do like that 2 pint stein idea 

Agree mike ive always been an optimist and with the summer coming a clever promoter is surely sizing up an outdoor venue.

[Timillustrator]

Well I met two people today who are back to work at different pubs on the 4th July. One seemed to think that the distancing would be down to 1m by then (despite any official notice that I can find) and both seemed to think it would include the inside of pubs. So how long before larger indoor events are back up and running?

[Geeselad]

1 hour ago, Timillustrator said:

Well I met two people today who are back to work at different pubs on the 4th July. One seemed to think that the distancing would be down to 1m by then (despite any official notice that I can find) and both seemed to think it would include the inside of pubs. So how long before larger indoor events are back up and running?

I'm a teacher, a couple of weeks ago I doubted if we'd be back in September, now I think all years will be back in more or less full time. The union issues a red herring, academies don't recognise them anyway. 

[Blackpoolsoul]

8 hours ago, Geeselad said:

I'm a teacher, a couple of weeks ago I doubted if we'd be back in September, now I think all years will be back in more or less full time. The union issues a red herring, academies don't recognise them anyway. 

Finally a teacher to talk to . I wondered what you thought to my fathers idea (he is 84)

As the system has missed out on 3 months (approx) of education (we have 2 young buys 9 and 7) , he said

"Why don't they just push the whole education system "back" 3 months including all exams, so the kids finish their classes and final schooling in December instead of September, so they will have then lost nothing (assuming no second wave)"

What do you think ?

[Pga1]

Hiya, I've got three buckets ready, engraved with my name. Black for Guinness, Apple green for cider and p*ss yellow for lager, cheers

[Geeselad]

2 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

Finally a teacher to talk to . I wondered what you thought to my fathers idea (he is 84)

As the system has missed out on 3 months (approx) of education (we have 2 young buys 9 and 7) , he said

"Why don't they just push the whole education system "back" 3 months including all exams, so the kids finish their classes and final schooling in December instead of September, so they will have then lost nothing (assuming no second wave)"

What do you think ?

Where would you put the ones coming in, year 7 and reception, for three months? The whole system is interdependent. What about university's? Just couldn't work I'm afraid.

[cherryberry]

On 02/06/2020 at 14:20, Blackpoolsoul said:

Logically until schools, shops, sports etc have no social distancing, then venues will not be able to run surley

You may be waiting I think until well into 2021

I too agree

[Timillustrator]

Saw the Rugby on the telly yesterday from New Zealand, all restrictions lifted, stadium packed and they have no new cases and no one in hospital. https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/no-new-cases-covid-19-25

 

[Stephen Houghton]

It's not the end of the world  

[Hornet]

It has been 4 A lot of people 

[Blackpoolsoul]

There are still several sectors in England that will not be allowed to reopen on 4 July.

They are:

Nightclubs

Bowling alleys

Indoor play areas eg softplay

Spas

Nail bars

Tattoo parlours

Indoor fitness and gyms

Swimming pools

Waterparks

Conference centres

[Winsford Soul]

Won't be long before venue's are open now that the 1 mtr rule is going to be applied by July 4rh, August/September . Bring it on.  

[Thinksmart]

I really do not want to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, but I'll be very surprised if venues are open legally for dancing in that timeframe. As it is now, drinking will have to be outside, table service only, minimal contact and recording your details.  That's not even near normal, just to have a drink in the sun.

I believe through my professional life and engagement on the new requirements that nightclubs / dancing will be amongst the very last parts of society to reopen. Dancing in particular has deeper inwards/outward breathing, close people proximity, bumping into each other, recirculated air inside venues and the lowering of inhibitions with drinking (and more) in the vicinity - so the perfect environment for fast transmission.  Nail bars cannot open due to the risk of circulation through touch in addition to breathing, so record sales will be difficult at venues. There are so many issues to deal with - including the risk of transmission by multiple DJs using the same decks.  This might sound an overreaction but the recent Croatian tennis exhibition now shows the risks.

I genuinely cannot see any events happening in August or September, possibly even this year. There will be extra government caution as we proceed through Autumn and towards winter with an anticipated recirculation in colder weather.  Even conference centres cannot reopen yet, with none of the above risks I've mentioned.

Any events allowed will need to be outside for sure in the interim. There is an extremely limited window late summer to Autumn this year, the government priority before nightclubs is indoor theatres and cinemas then such as bowling alleys where the interaction is slightly more controlled and less likely to have the same rate of potential spread.  At present, I do not believe any venue or organiser can have even the slightest clarity to inform their plans for now on inside drinks/dancing events.  The government has not issued anything at all to that sector with the PM today saying in Parliament taskforces will be formed to look at still locked-down areas. The work on high risk, inside locations such as nightclubs, dancehalls, ballrooms and the like hasn't really started at all in a way that will give clarity in the near term.

Soul is considered as a tiny part of the wider venues sector. Keeping nightclubs closed also lowers crime and hospital admissions too at a time of limited financial and physical resources. It isn't a huge employer compared to other sectors and has high cash usage relatively. It also has the risk of fast transmission when university students return in late September, who are the main users of nightclub spaces. So I think we will not see early focus on nightclubs or dance venues by government that helps reopen the Soul scene.  It will come back ultimately but not at the pace of the next key focus which is schools for September.

What happened from one person in nightclubs in South Korea is profound and stimulated infection of hundreds of people which has led to re-lockdown. The fast spread outbreaks in Germany, our own Anglesey, China and even now New Zealand show the wider risks.  Government also knows that people won't come forward for testing now, may give false details at pubs and that track and trace is going to be hard.  If one person is a superspreader at at event (as was the case in South Korea) then a Northern Soul type event will be the perfect place for transmission.  The government knows it should not of allowed Cheltenham Races to go ahead with crowds, so it is likely to be more cautious on inside events. 

We all hope events will be back safely and soon, but I think we need to balance that with the government considerations around venues to avoid disappointment. 

All of this is just my view of course.

Edited June 23, 2020 by Thinksmart

[Blackpoolsoul]

49 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Won't be long before venue's are open now that the 1 mtr rule is going to be applied by July 4rh, August/September . Bring it on.  

If it's that early I will be amazed. I agree with the above and after all the Bank Of England Governor was taking yesterday about how sorry he was for night clubs / venues (which I assume fits in to this category) and how tough it was going to be for them to survive

[Martin L]

illegal venues speakeasy feel to things to challenge the  authority  could emerge   like prohibition  in the us in the 20 s   but we have the covid fker to consider               people with people   all talking   socialising  and dancing  what sort of world is that      all so quickly taken   !     Hope all on here are having a great day   

Martin L  

[Thinksmart]

Yes I could see that emerging a bit.

[Winsford Soul]

1 hour ago, Martin L said:

illegal venues speakeasy feel to things to challenge the  authority  could emerge   like prohibition  in the us in the 20 s   but we have the covid fker to consider               people with people   all talking   socialising  and dancing  what sort of world is that      all so quickly taken   !     Hope all on here are having a great day   

Martin L  

Martin.  If you hear of any illegal venue's. let me know. I'm definitely interested. Count me in 

Edited June 23, 2020 by Winsford Soul

[Len]

On 13/06/2020 at 11:13, Geeselad said:

Where would you put the ones coming in, year 7 and reception, for three months? The whole system is interdependent. What about university's? Just couldn't work I'm afraid.

How about kids as well as students simply starting the year again in September? Basically everyone held back a year, and new starters to start a year late.

Would that work?

Apologies if a silly question (I'm a welder)

Len 

[Len]

2 hours ago, Winsford Soul said:

Martin.  If you hear of any illegal venue's. let me know. I'm definitely interested. Count me in 

I'm currently listening to Brackley Radio https://brackleyradio.uk/listen-live.php - There's a Northern Soul show on every Tuesday eve 7.00pm - 9.00pm.

Just had a 'dad dance' in front of my daughter (Tabitha)  I had a moment of that feeling though, and yeh, I think I do now miss going out.

Patience is a virtue as they say 

Len 

 

[Hooker1951]

6 hours ago, Thinksmart said:

I really do not want to dampen anyone's enthusiasm, but I'll be very surprised if venues are open legally for dancing in that timeframe. As it is now, drinking will have to be outside, table service only, minimal contact and recording your details.  That's not even near normal, just to have a drink in the sun.

I believe through my professional life and engagement on the new requirements that nightclubs / dancing will be amongst the very last parts of society to reopen. Dancing in particular has deeper inwards/outward breathing, close people proximity, bumping into each other, recirculated air inside venues and the lowering of inhibitions with drinking (and more) in the vicinity - so the perfect environment for fast transmission.  Nail bars cannot open due to the risk of circulation through touch in addition to breathing, so record sales will be difficult at venues. There are so many issues to deal with - including the risk of transmission by multiple DJs using the same decks.  This might sound an overreaction but the recent Croatian tennis exhibition now shows the risks.

I genuinely cannot see any events happening in August or September, possibly even this year. There will be extra government caution as we proceed through Autumn and towards winter with an anticipated recirculation in colder weather.  Even conference centres cannot reopen yet, with none of the above risks I've mentioned.

Any events allowed will need to be outside for sure in the interim. There is an extremely limited window late summer to Autumn this year, the government priority before nightclubs is indoor theatres and cinemas then such as bowling alleys where the interaction is slightly more controlled and less likely to have the same rate of potential spread.  At present, I do not believe any venue or organiser can have even the slightest clarity to inform their plans for now on inside drinks/dancing events.  The government has not issued anything at all to that sector with the PM today saying in Parliament taskforces will be formed to look at still locked-down areas. The work on high risk, inside locations such as nightclubs, dancehalls, ballrooms and the like hasn't really started at all in a way that will give clarity in the near term.

Soul is considered as a tiny part of the wider venues sector. Keeping nightclubs closed also lowers crime and hospital admissions too at a time of limited financial and physical resources. It isn't a huge employer compared to other sectors and has high cash usage relatively. It also has the risk of fast transmission when university students return in late September, who are the main users of nightclub spaces. So I think we will not see early focus on nightclubs or dance venues by government that helps reopen the Soul scene.  It will come back ultimately but not at the pace of the next key focus which is schools for September.

What happened from one person in nightclubs in South Korea is profound and stimulated infection of hundreds of people which has led to re-lockdown. The fast spread outbreaks in Germany, our own Anglesey, China and even now New Zealand show the wider risks.  Government also knows that people won't come forward for testing now, may give false details at pubs and that track and trace is going to be hard.  If one person is a superspreader at at event (as was the case in South Korea) then a Northern Soul type event will be the perfect place for transmission.  The government knows it should not of allowed Cheltenham Races to go ahead with crowds, so it is likely to be more cautious on inside events. 

We all hope events will be back safely and soon, but I think we need to balance that with the government considerations around venues to avoid disappointment. 

All of this is just my view of course.

Anybody got a strong rope with a noose or a tub of strychnine handy LoL,

ML

[Len]

11 minutes ago, Hooker1951 said:

Anybody got a strong rope with a noose or a tub of strychnine handy LoL,

ML

As long as I get it back Mick 

Len 

[Geeselad]

3 hours ago, Len said:

How about kids as well as students simply starting the year again in September? Basically everyone held back a year, and new starters to start a year late.

Would that work?

Apologies if a silly question (I'm a welder)

Len 

It is a solution Len. Things that have been totally inflexible in the past have changed overnight in education, nothing seems unfeasible anymore.