Soul-slider Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 Who were Mike & Ike on Arctic? Anyone know, got any photos of them? There is a connection to the 'The Contrails', a blue-eyed Soul outfit from Pittsburgh as their Northern tune 'I'd Rather Be Lonely' shares the same backing as Mike & Ike's 'Sax On The Tracks (I'd Rather Be Lonely)'. When you listen to Mike & Ike's vocal side 'Ya Ya' they could be white, possibly? Here's a bit about The Contrails but no mention of 'I'd Rather Be Lonely' as they were pushing the beat ballad flip... https://oldmonmusic.blogspot.com/2008/02/someone.html
Simon T Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Soul-slider said: Who were Mike & Ike on Arctic? Anyone know, got any photos of them? There is a connection to the 'The Contrails', a blue-eyed Soul outfit from Pittsburgh as their Northern tune 'I'd Rather Be Lonely' shares the same backing as Mike & Ike's 'Sax On The Tracks (I'd Rather Be Lonely)'. When you listen to Mike & Ike's vocal side 'Ya Ya' they could be white, possibly? Here's a bit about The Contrails but no mention of 'I'd Rather Be Lonely' as they were pushing the beat ballad flip... https://oldmonmusic.blogspot.com/2008/02/someone.html Edited May 25, 2020 by Simon T 1
Tomangoes Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 I think it was a joke name....to hide the real artists, like Jack and Jill on artic. Mike and Ike are oblong fruit-flavored chewy candies that come in several colors and varieties, including cherry, orange, lime, lemon, and strawberry. ... The candy is kosher and gluten-free. They are similar to Hot Tamales, another candy introduced by the same manufacturer in 1950, though they are not spicy. Place of origin: Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, USA (1940) Created by: Just Born, Inc Other information: 0 grams of fat; kosher; gluten-free Ed
Soul-slider Posted May 24, 2020 Author Posted May 24, 2020 53 minutes ago, Tomangoes said: I think it was a joke name....to hide the real artists, like Jack and Jill on artic. Mike and Ike are oblong fruit-flavored chewy candies that come in several colors and varieties, including cherry, orange, lime, lemon, and strawberry. ... The candy is kosher and gluten-free. They are similar to Hot Tamales, another candy introduced by the same manufacturer in 1950, though they are not spicy. Place of origin: Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, USA (1940) Created by: Just Born, Inc Other information: 0 grams of fat; kosher; gluten-free Ed Yeah, when I googled Mike & Ike I got a lot of images of these sweets So they could be the Contrails anyway?
Soul-slider Posted May 24, 2020 Author Posted May 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Simon T said: In 1989 i was in a record store near Pittsburgh and the owner introduced to me a white guy as the saxophonist; i can't recall now the exact details, but he did have a copy of SONT in his hand - buying, selling, perusing or worked there, i can't remember. That's brilliant, a step further. Thank you, Simon.
Simon T Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Soul-slider said: That's brilliant, a step further. Thank you, Simon. Edited May 25, 2020 by Simon T 1
Tomangoes Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, Soul-slider said: Yeah, when I googled Mike & Ike I got a lot of images of these sweets So they could be the Contrails anyway? Sounds like the other contrails track singers also. Definitely blue eyed. Ed 1
Chalky Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) Probably Johnny Daye IMO. He was a Pittsburg act real name John Di Bucci. Worked for Eko II Productions with Barbara Landis, they took the masters to Arctic. The source is the booklet in the Cool As Ice set. The notes don't say what or even if any involvement JD had in SoTT Edited May 24, 2020 by Chalky 1
Tomangoes Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 What came first, the vocal or instrumental? Any reason why the real artist or band are not named on the artic record. Ed
The Yank Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 Dave Moore's book "The Philly Sound" also says that either Mike or Ike is possibly Johnny Daye . 1
Soul-slider Posted May 24, 2020 Author Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Tomangoes said: What came first, the vocal or instrumental? Any reason why the real artist or band are not named on the artic record. Ed According to 45cat: Mike & Ike 1965 Contrails 1967 (although the Contrails piece i linked dates it as 1966, for the flip anyway) Edited May 24, 2020 by Soul-slider
The Yank Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, Tomangoes said: Any reason why the real artist or band are not named on the artic record. Ed Probably because Johnny was still under contract to Jomada ?
Tomangoes Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 Let's face it, the band could have been anybody. Use a joke name, and all the money goes to anybody but the band. It was just a b side anyway, and different writers to the a side. I wonder why they chose the instrumental rather than vocal ? Assuming the vocal was written at that time. If they had...it might have made the a side. Ed
Chalky Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, Tomangoes said: Let's face it, the band could have been anybody. Use a joke name, and all the money goes to anybody but the band. It was just a b side anyway, and different writers to the a side. I wonder why they chose the instrumental rather than vocal ? Assuming the vocal was written at that time. If they had...it might have made the a side. Ed The masters came from the same source, the one I mentioned, Eko II Productions and Barbara Landis. The band are probably musicians involved with them.
Guest Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) It`s one that i`ve been playing out recently, about time it got out more. Edited May 24, 2020 by Guest
Blackpoolsoul Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 4 hours ago, The Yank said: Dave Moore's book "The Philly Sound" also says that either Mike or Ike is possibly Johnny Daye . This article about him (I have sent a message to see if Peter know anything) https://www.peterguralnick.com/post/161242971521/mr-c-speaks-johnny-daye-rip 1
Tomangoes Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 Well reading that link. JOHNNY DAYE says he had nothing to do with the record except his mate put him down as a writer, even though he wasn't. The mystery is still to be solved.. Ed
Blackpoolsoul Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Tomangoes said: Well reading that link. JOHNNY DAYE says he had nothing to do with the record except his mate put him down as a writer, even though he wasn't. The mystery is still to be solved.. Ed Would be interesting if Dave Moore could also fill in gaps of where his source was
Speedlimit Posted May 24, 2020 Posted May 24, 2020 Well as the tracks called sax on the track, is there any possibility that mike could be one mike Terry whom was known to do some session work in philly for Arctic and harthon
Tomangoes Posted May 25, 2020 Posted May 25, 2020 This looks interesting: "(Robert) Peckman is a local veteran musician and an original member of the Skyliners. He was also managed by Joe Rock and he played with Daye on many occasions during the sixties. Two of Peckman’s numerous projects over the years include Simon and the Piemen, released locally in Pittsburgh in the mid-sixties, and Mike & Ike, who released a record on the Philadelphia-based Arctic label. Daye received songwriting credits on each of the group’s lone singles, but he admits to having little involvement. “I never had anything to do with those songs aside from sitting around the studio goofing off. Joe Rock wrote them and included my name on them. I was just there.... If you can call it singing...it was Daye then, on these two singles. The contrails look to have had several releases. Ed
Blackpoolsoul Posted May 25, 2020 Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Tomangoes said: This looks interesting: "(Robert) Peckman is a local veteran musician and an original member of the Skyliners. He was also managed by Joe Rock and he played with Daye on many occasions during the sixties. Two of Peckman’s numerous projects over the years include Simon and the Piemen, released locally in Pittsburgh in the mid-sixties, and Mike & Ike, who released a record on the Philadelphia-based Arctic label. Daye received songwriting credits on each of the group’s lone singles, but he admits to having little involvement. “I never had anything to do with those songs aside from sitting around the studio goofing off. Joe Rock wrote them and included my name on them. I was just there.... If you can call it singing...it was Daye then, on these two singles. The contrails look to have had several releases. Ed This is on The Pittsburg Music History site Q was comprised of Cannonsburg native Bill Thomas on keyboards and vocals, New Brighton songwriter Robert "Pecky" Peckman on bass and vocals, New Sewickly guitarist/recording engineer Don Garvin, and Bellevue drummer Bill Vogel. Bill Thomas founded a band with his singer partner Suzanne calling it Suzanne & Co. Bill’s wife Judy replaced Suzzane when she left. Veteran musicians Robert Peckman, Don Garvin, and Bill Vogel joined Suzanne & Company. Peckman, before joining the band, had performed as a bassist, drummer, and singer with the Starliners (1962-63), The Skyliners (1964-'66), Johnny Daye ('66 to '67), The Groove-U in 1967, and The Jaggerz ('70-''71). Peckman's voice was heard as the lead singer on song "Ya Ya" by covered Mike and Ike on Acrtic Records in 1965 and on the Sparkz 1966 Bell Records single 1
Soul-slider Posted May 25, 2020 Author Posted May 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: This is on The Pittsburg Music History site Q was comprised of Cannonsburg native Bill Thomas on keyboards and vocals, New Brighton songwriter Robert "Pecky" Peckman on bass and vocals, New Sewickly guitarist/recording engineer Don Garvin, and Bellevue drummer Bill Vogel. Bill Thomas founded a band with his singer partner Suzanne calling it Suzanne & Co. Bill’s wife Judy replaced Suzzane when she left. Veteran musicians Robert Peckman, Don Garvin, and Bill Vogel joined Suzanne & Company. Peckman, before joining the band, had performed as a bassist, drummer, and singer with the Starliners (1962-63), The Skyliners (1964-'66), Johnny Daye ('66 to '67), The Groove-U in 1967, and The Jaggerz ('70-''71). Peckman's voice was heard as the lead singer on song "Ya Ya" by covered Mike and Ike on Acrtic Records in 1965 and on the Sparkz 1966 Bell Records single That's half of it solved then, Peckman definitely one half of Mike & Ike, it also states that fact here... https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/robert-peckmans-stirrin-up-bees-features-blue-eyed-soul-legend-johnny-daye/Content?oid=1335088 Quote: Robert Peckman may not be a household name, even in R&B circles, but his work certainly is. As a multi-instrumental go-to guy, he spent decades with the likes of the Skyliners, the Jaggerz, Pure Gold and Hoodoo Drugstore. Peckman was also half of the Billboard charting duo called Q, and part of Mike & Ike, whose solitary Arctic Records single from the '60s still gets plays on the northern-soul scene. 1
Chalky Posted May 25, 2020 Posted May 25, 2020 9 hours ago, Speedlimit said: Well as the tracks called sax on the track, is there any possibility that mike could be one mike Terry whom was known to do some session work in philly for Arctic and harthon wasn't a Philly recording, done in Pittsburg 1
Soul-slider Posted May 25, 2020 Author Posted May 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chalky said: wasn't a Philly recording, done in Pittsburg As Chalky says, also we know the saxophonist was a white guy as recalled by Simon T (who seems to have had all his posts removed?).
Blackpoolsoul Posted May 25, 2020 Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Soul-slider said: That's half of it solved then, Peckman definitely one half of Mike & Ike, it also states that fact here... https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/robert-peckmans-stirrin-up-bees-features-blue-eyed-soul-legend-johnny-daye/Content?oid=1335088 Quote: Robert Peckman may not be a household name, even in R&B circles, but his work certainly is. As a multi-instrumental go-to guy, he spent decades with the likes of the Skyliners, the Jaggerz, Pure Gold and Hoodoo Drugstore. Peckman was also half of the Billboard charting duo called Q, and part of Mike & Ike, whose solitary Arctic Records single from the '60s still gets plays on the northern-soul scene. This is more (he has a look of Dave Raistrick about him ) Edited May 25, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul 1
Soul-slider Posted May 25, 2020 Author Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: This is more (he has a look of Dave Raistrick about him ) Thanks for that Blackpool! That Groov-U album looks good, in fact I've just purchased it! Blue-eyed Soul for sure, there's a version of the Temptations 'I Want A Love I Can See'. That's Peckman back row 5th from right in thick glasses I guess. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Contrails are in that line-up too, they finished in 1969, this album came out at that time. Edited May 25, 2020 by Soul-slider 1
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