Connections with a mystery ending.

[The Yank]

The Dudes and Dolls 45 was a remake of Herb Alpert and later Dionne Warwick's big hit - 

 

[Kegsy]

11 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

There's an old thread here mentions him

 

Thanks for that, there's another clue in there. Frankie & Spindles Funny 'A' 45 Have You Seen Her/Maybe Tomorrow has Swedesboro Music as the writers on Maybe Tomorrow. Swedesboro Music was Eddie Drennon and Marty Cantine working together. So our Marty now has another connection to Frankie & the Spindles. Eddie Drennon arranged their 1st (?) Roc-ker 45 No. RI 3314, it was also recorded at Accent Sound in Baltimore.

 

Thanks also to Ken B.

[Kegsy]

Update.

 

I fired a couple e-mails off a week ago to possible sources, but have not had replies so another dead end.

I have sent another today to someone I believe could explain things, let's hope for a reply this time.

[Kenb]

@Kegsy

you said "Oddly enough the co owner of Samar records was called Bob Schwaid who also has some interesting musical connections.  https://www.discogs.com/artist/743878-Bob-Schwaid

@Kenb - 1. I'm unconvinced Bob Schwaid was the (or a) owner of Samar. ( i don't know who put it up on Discogs, but i am happy to be told differently).

Schwaid was personal manager (The Independents, co-owner of WWAM Management), a music publisher ( MCA-Rollers with Reggie Lavong), record plugger, retailer and distie, and concert promoter ( @ Monmouth Arts Center NJ (now Count Basie Theater)...Jackie Wilson, Tommy James and the Shondells  etc), record producer (Warner Brothers: he took Jackie Lomax of The Undertakers from Wallasey UK and did 'Home Is In My Head') and prexy of Thruppence ltd.

Nowhere have i seen Bob as a Label owner.

@Kegsy

you said "The thing is the Icemen's Samar stuff was done with Johnny Brantley, George Kerr (Tra San) wasn't involved until Ole 9, the other ole 9 release tells us nothing"

@Kenb-2. I'm told by a contact in the US that both Tri-San Productions (not Tri-San Records Label) and Marti Records were co-owned by Fred 'Rockin Robin' Robinson. So i assume George Kerr was the other co-owner. Fred Robinson was a serial 'moonlighter'.( e.g.Roc-Ker records)

@Kenb- 3. Have you considered Lenny Lewis as being the son of Stan Lewis, Su-Ma, Paula, etc), and not Lenny Lewis

Don't give up...follow the crumbs  

Edited May 27, 2020 by Kenb
Roc-Ker add

[Blackpoolsoul]

26 minutes ago, Kenb said:

@Kegsy

you said "Oddly enough the co owner of Samar records was called Bob Schwaid who also has some interesting musical connections.  https://www.discogs.com/artist/743878-Bob-Schwaid

@Kenb - 1. I'm unconvinced Bob Schwaid was the (or a) owner of Samar. ( i don't know who put it up on Discogs, but i am happy to be told differently).

Schwaid was personal manager (The Independents, co-owner of WWAM Management), a music publisher ( MCA-Rollers with Reggie Lavong), record plugger, retailer and distie, and concert promoter ( @ Monmouth Arts Center NJ (now Count Basie Theater)...Jackie Wilson, Tommy James and the Shondells  etc), record producer (Warner Brothers: he took Jackie Lomax of The Undertakers from Wallasey UK and did 'Home Is In My Head') and prexy of Thruppence ltd.

Nowhere have i seen Bob as a Label owner.

@Kegsy

you said "The thing is the Icemen's Samar stuff was done with Johnny Brantley, George Kerr (Tra San) wasn't involved until Ole 9, the other ole 9 release tells us nothing"

@Kenb-2. I'm told by a contact in the US that both Tri-San Productions (not Tri-San Records Label) and Marti Records were co-owned by Fred 'Rockin Robin' Robinson. So i assume George Kerr was the other co-owner. Fred Robinson was a serial 'moonlighter'.( e.g.Roc-Ker records)

@Kenb- 3. Have you considered Lenny Lewis as being the son of Stan Lewis, Su-Ma, Paula, etc), and not Lenny Lewis

Don't give up...follow the crumbs  

Sadly (you may already know) Fred died in 1996 aged 60 and there are a couple of articles in Baltimore papers that do not give access in Europe (Google them by his name Fred 'Rockin Robin' Robinson Baltimore Sun and NY Times ) I just wondered if there was mention of any family members who may help

Nice article about Stan here

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KgkEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq=Stan+Lewis,+Su-Ma,+Paula&source=bl&ots=HMSJuM-ff4&sig=ACfU3U2YWr4-WRIALgrGS-42cm2Os-W2kA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjTnIuSxdTpAhXHEcAKHSWfBuIQ6AEwAXoECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=Stan Lewis%2C Su-Ma%2C Paula&f=false

Edited May 27, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul

[Kegsy]

52 minutes ago, Kenb said:

@Kenb - 1. I'm unconvinced Bob Schwaid was the (or a) owner of Samar. ( i don't know who put it up on Discogs, but i am happy to be told differently).

It involved Bob Scwhartau, here you go

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Music/Archive-Record-World-IDX/IDX/60s/66/RW-1966-03-05-OCR-Page-0023.pdf#search="samar"

 

1 hour ago, Kenb said:

you said "The thing is the Icemen's Samar stuff was done with Johnny Brantley, George Kerr (Tra San) wasn't involved until Ole 9, the other ole 9 release tells us nothing"

I was referring to George Kerr working on the ABC release not the ones on Samar.

52 minutes ago, Kenb said:

3. Have you considered Lenny Lewis as being the son of Stan Lewis, Su-Ma, Paula, etc), and not Lenny Lewis

I made the connection to Lenny Lewis because Gloria Parker recorded two records for him on LLP records

 

 

[Kenb]

24 minutes ago, Kegsy said:

It involved Bob Scwhartau, here you go

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/hd2/IDX-Business/Music/Archive-Record-World-IDX/IDX/60s/66/RW-1966-03-05-OCR-Page-0023.pdf#search="samar"

 

I was referring to George Kerr working on the ABC release not the ones on Samar.

I made the connection to Lenny Lewis because Gloria Parker recorded two records for him on LLP records

 

 

I must have been mistaken.

i could have sworn your post said Schwaid and then a discos link to Samar.

i’ll put more water with my whiskey.

[Kegsy]

54 minutes ago, Kenb said:

i could have sworn your post said Schwaid and then a discos link to Samar.

You're right I did, got the names mixed up as Schwaid also worked on the Madeline Wilson record, sorry about that.