Corona Virus - News & Info

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Corona Virus News & Info - Now  a serious topic for discussion and information regarding official UK Govt news/advice discussion

 

OK it's here the coronavirus  spreading around the country daily so Promoters of the big weekenders and larger venues, I ask this if it turns to an epidemic are you going to cancel your venue, 

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[Jez Jones]

I don't think its a 'promoters' role...if any measures are taken it will be by the venue owners/operators taking advice from the authorities I think. There is a 'duty of care' issue that they must be aware of I presume ...BUT I'm no expert

[Speedlimit]

That was my thoughts too. Hopefully none will be cancelled but when it comes to people's health then you would like to think the venue and promoter would cancel if the need arises. Be good to hear from any promoters with their thoughts on this. 

[Amsterdam Russ]

The "Dig it" alldayer in Milan had to be cancelled just recently because the Italian regional authorities banned public events.

And while the "Not too young Swiss Soul Weekender" in Lucerne is going ahead this weekend, any and all visitors coming from or travelling through northern Italy are banned. This restriction has been put in place by the Canton of Lucerne.

I doubt if these will be the only events affected.

Edited March 5, 2020 by Amsterdam Russ
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[Speedlimit]

That's great to see its being taken seriously, As we know there can be some very unscrupulous promoters at times. 

[Soulfuljules]

All social gatherings in Italy inc theatre performances, football matches etc have been put on hold until April 3rd.

Schools and universities are closed until March 15th , though I suspect this will be prolonged.

Curiously, bars and restaurants are not currently affected by these measures

Our Soul Alldayer in Pordenone has just been postponed to October

Sad times indeed but I guess there are not many alternatives...

 

Edited March 5, 2020 by soulfuljules

[Mark R]

I have been wondering.......Southport Weekender in 2 weeks.....5000+ people.  I suspect that a company like Butlins will follow any government guidelines/rules imposed between now and then.  A company of such repute cant afford to ignore government advice/rules is my thought.

But two weeks ain't far away and it may take longer than that for it to become so serious........we'll see!

 

Cheers,

Mark R

 

[Chalky]

With the virus on the rise I think all travel that isn't necessary should be stopped, that includes soul nights and nighters.  If you need your soul fix stay local or stay in. I doubt very much this will happen though, certainly not voluntarily. 

[Zoomsoulblue]

The Fleet is on in Peterborough - MARCH 21st this month - not sure if you’re all aware that The Fleet building is owned and operated by the ICA which is The Italian Community Association

[Blackpoolsoul]

3 minutes ago, Chalky said:

With the virus on the rise I think all travel that isn't necessary should be stopped, that includes soul nights and nighters.  If you need your soul fix stay local or stay in. I doubt very much this will happen though, certainly not voluntarily. 

On a serious note, it appears to affect the elderly "more" and of course these events do have a lot of folks over 60, so if things do get "worse" and "gatherings" over a certain number do take place (I think we are a few weeks away yet) I do wonder if guests may start to cancel of their own accord, as people are already doing so in travelling, as we have seen with flight falls. I do think that many people are getting very very nervous.

[Chalky]

6 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

On a serious note, it appears to affect the elderly "more" and of course these events do have a lot of folks over 60, so if things do get "worse" and "gatherings" over a certain number do take place (I think we are a few weeks away yet) I do wonder if guests may start to cancel of their own accord, as people are already doing so in travelling, as we have seen with flight falls. I do think that many people are getting very very nervous.

Old folk, many on the sherbet, bodies defences wide open

[Len]

I like to think this will blow over sooner rather than later - I obsessively wash my hands numerous times a day anyway, and never warmed to that European 'kiss kiss' greeting thing that seems to have taken a hold of us. 

The media yet again get everyone in to a stupor.  Not long ago it was 'Brexit Brexit Brexit' to the point of making people be quite nasty to each other (over what?) Then it was all about the floods - They don't mention those poor folks now who are still suffering.  Now it's 'Virus virus virus', drip feeding 'breaking news!' of another increase in effected people, etc etc.

Not to be complacent of course, but this too will pass.

All the best,

Len 

[Chalky]

May, maybe later before it peaks they said the other day.  Will have to get a lot warmer I guess and dry out. 

Edited March 5, 2020 by Chalky

[Winsford Soul]

32 minutes ago, Len said:

I like to think this will blow over sooner rather than later - I obsessively wash my hands numerous times a day anyway, and never warmed to that European 'kiss kiss' greeting thing that seems to have taken a hold of us. 

The media yet again get everyone in to a stupor.  Not long ago it was 'Brexit Brexit Brexit' to the point of making people be quite nasty to each other (over what?) Then it was all about the floods - They don't mention those poor folks now who are still suffering.  Now it's 'Virus virus virus', drip feeding 'breaking news!' of another increase in effected people, etc etc.

Not to be complacent of course, but this too will pass.

All the best,

Len 

Until everything is cancelled and or shut down ( if that happens  ) why worry.  It certainly won't be stopping me from playing out until I'm told otherwise.  We live in a world of headline grabbing hysteria by the media, everything these days is a end of the world calamity be it weather, cars, schools,  NHS. ,flu, mad cow diesease remember that one. , sars was going to be the end of the world diesease,  so was Ebola,  only last week the papers where warning of a arctic blast lasting weeks and a foot of snow. 

PS. Forgot to add that I'm supposedly in the at risk group aged 60+ and I have Asthma 

Edited March 5, 2020 by Winsford Soul

[none]

While at s Venue in Ratcliffe last week  . A person in gents retorted that you have more chance of winning Lottery than contracting Corona .

Rather foolish in my opinion . 

That said article on Sky News suggested as Virus is airborne contact . As from coughing or sneezing . Flem should be spat out . Rather than being swallowed  . Resurch has found virus attached in mucus . Once swallowed interacts with acids in stomach and attaches to Lungs .

Where it then is able manifest and attack other organs . 

Difficult one to call .

Everyone is responsible for own Hygiene.  

If have a cold or bad Chest .STAY HOME . 

IMO 

[Steve G]

Large promotors should consider purchasing event cancellation insurance if they haven't already done so. Probably too expensive for the 100-200 events, but certainly for large weekenders etc. May be too late, I haven't checked but I suspect premium rates have gone right up in the last month and as it is a known subject there may already be exclusions in place for new purchasers of the product.   

[John A]

49 minutes ago, Len said:

 

The media yet again get everyone in to a stupor.  Not long ago it was 'Brexit Brexit Brexit' to the point of making people be quite nasty to each other (over what?) Then it was all about the floods - They don't mention those poor folks now who are still suffering.  Now it's 'Virus virus virus', drip feeding 'breaking news!' of another increase in effected people, etc etc.

Not to be complacent of course, but this too will pass.

All the best,

Len 

This is of course absolutely right. While this outbreak was confined to China the media were loving to portray this as some sort of Zombie apocalypse! Now it's arrived on our doorstep it's kinda backfired as the country is now going into panic mode.

[Timillustrator]

2 hours ago, Steve G said:

Large promotors should consider purchasing event cancellation insurance if they haven't already done so. Probably too expensive for the 100-200 events, but certainly for large weekenders etc. May be too late, I haven't checked but I suspect premium rates have gone right up in the last month and as it is a known subject there may already be exclusions in place for new purchasers of the product.   

Not least because there would have to be Government or Local Authority advice to cancel the event before you'd be able to claim on any insurance. Who can say but I think we're still way off the Government advising all gatherings of 100+ to be cancelled, and if it did come to that then he fabric of society as we know it would be falling apart so claiming on your insurance wouldn't be at the front of anyone's mind.

 

[Timillustrator]

Just looked at the wording of a typical policy and it EXCLUDES "losses arising from prohibitive regulations by the government of any country." so there you go, it's likely that most policies would fail to pay out A. If you just cancelled it on your own initiative or B. If the Gov't made you cancel it. 

[Blackpoolsoul]

2 minutes ago, Timillustrator said:

Just looked at the wording of a typical policy and it EXCLUDES "losses arising from prohibitive regulations by the government of any country." so there you go, it's likely that most policies would fail to pay out A. If you just cancelled it on your own initiative or B. If the Gov't made you cancel it. 

So what if paid by credit card like a holiday or flight ?

[Timillustrator]

38 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

So what if paid by credit card like a holiday or flight ?

May do but I'd imagine they'll have just as many exclusions in the small print. Could maybe be argued that it's a Force majeure or Act of God perhaps? 

[Guest Shufflin]

they were discussing getting money back on radio this morning, gist was if paid by credit card & over £100 should be fine, same for debit should be fine as a charge back, if less than £100 good luck

obviously don't take my word for it just what I remember hearing

[Soulstrutter]

Might be different as mainly refers to travel .... but Martin Lewis (Monet Market Expert) and the BBC travel guy (don't know his name) have stated that if you cancel yourself (i.e. decide not to go) then you can't claim ... but if Govt. prohibits travel then it is claimable .... BUT I suspect insurance companies for new policies taken out now will have probably somehow excluded that ... so check the small print!!

[Guest Shufflin]

Just now, Soulstrutter said:

but if Govt. prohibits travel then it is claimable .

no - it's not prohibit - it's if the Foreign & Commonwealth Office has advice not to travel to certain places

[Woodbutcher]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-51738687

[Soulstrutter]

6 minutes ago, Shufflin said:

no - it's not prohibit - it's if the Foreign & Commonwealth Office has advice not to travel to certain places

OK wrong choice of words ... you're right they can't stop you (force you not to) going but advise against it hence if you go and something happened you can't claim on your insurance as you were 'advised' not to go!   .... but the point is up until now you could cancel holiday if (advised not to go) and claim on insurance ... but they may well have changed their terms on new policies now ... so I would check to be certain.  i.e. if booking a summer holiday best check that your covered by travel insurance in case you are advised not to go nearer the time!!!! otherwise you may lose your money.

Edited March 5, 2020 by Soulstrutter

[Wayoutgirl]

I say keep calm and carry on until further advice from the powers that be and keep the economy going.  

Attending Prestatyn, Bridlington and Leeds Detroit a go go  and will be socialising as usual  

[Len]

5 minutes ago, Wayoutgirl said:

I say keep calm and carry on until further advice from the powers that be and keep the economy going.  

Attending Prestatyn, Bridlington and Leeds Detroit a go go  and will be socialising as usual  

As I will at Disney very soon......God I need a holiday 

Len 

[Paddy Ferry]

5 minutes ago, Wayoutgirl said:

I say keep calm and carry on until further advice from the powers that be and keep the economy going.  

Attending Prestatyn, Bridlington and Leeds Detroit a go go  and will be socialising as usual  

Listening to the BBC ,you'd think it only a matter of time before barrows are being pushed around and shouts of, bring out your dead, are heard up and down the land.

[Steve G]

11 hours ago, Timillustrator said:

Not least because there would have to be Government or Local Authority advice to cancel the event before you'd be able to claim on any insurance. Who can say but I think we're still way off the Government advising all gatherings of 100+ to be cancelled, and if it did come to that then he fabric of society as we know it would be falling apart so claiming on your insurance wouldn't be at the front of anyone's mind.

 

That isn't actually correct. Perhaps I should have been a bit clearer, you would need all risks / all cause coverage, not limited perils. And of course no exclusion for communicable diseases. There are many such policies, though I will concede that coverage will now be getting considerably harder to find.

[Chalky]

People are forgetting that 99% of events are run by amateurs, most run their event on the cheap and event insurance will not even have crossed their minds.  Public Liability is probably the only one considered as some councils insist they take their own out despite the venue having it in place. 

[Blackpoolsoul]

I am always a positive person, but this alarms me quoted this morning by the World Health Organisation so please please don't ignore the concerns

'This is not a drill,' says WHO

The World Health Organization has warned that countries are not taking the coronavirus crisis seriously enough.

The WHO called out a "long list" of countries for not showing "the level of political commitment" needed to "match the level of the threat we all face".

"This is not a drill," WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters.

"This epidemic is a threat for every country, rich and poor."

[Guest]

My youngest son and his girlfriend are on a weeks holiday in Venice. He says everything is open but the visitor numbers are well down.

[none]

Attitudes are a tad meloncony I think .

Virus confirmation is growing daily basis .

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51759602

[Len]

4 hours ago, Chalky said:

People are forgetting that 99% of events are run by amateurs, most run their event on the cheap and event insurance will not even have crossed their minds.  Public Liability is probably the only one considered as some councils insist they take their own out despite the venue having it in place. 

And they're talking about maybe canceling large gatherings, so the majority of Soul events are pretty safe 

Len 

[Soulfuljules]

I think it's better to approach this matter rationally and to avoid panic and hysteria, but as somebody who lives in Italy and who would spend approx 25 weeks abroad per year on business trips, I would suggest to be mentally prepared for duller times...

Last week I was in Kiev on business, although concerned by the news, I would have never expected the situation to excalate to this level with schools closed for probably a month now, flights cut down by at least 25%, tourism down to 80% in certain areas, all within a couple of weeks.

I flew back to Venice from Vienna on an empty plane, at the arrivals there might have been 10 people waiting for their luggage on saturday morning.

If World Health Organization declares Corona virus to be pandemic, it means that the organization itself might be able to dictate specific safety measures to governments which might affect public transportation, social gatherings and much more.

As already said, elderly people, especially with health-related issues, are much more at risk, hence the high number of deaths registered in Italy which has a very old population compared to many other countries. At least two thirds of these corona-related deaths are due to pre-existing health issues.

When contracting corona virus, many of the elderly people require intensive care in hospitals, due to breathing difficulties. At the moment this is a major threat as there are not as many spots in intensive care as it might be needed if the spreading rate of the virus proceeds at the current speed.

Again, no panic and no hysteria, I hope I am to be proven wrong but my opinion is that this is not going to be just a simple flu

This site is pretty informative although the data reported are coming from the single states. For instance Russia has only 4 declared cases...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Edited March 6, 2020 by soulfuljules

[Speedlimit]

People should take it serious as its now mutated and will be harder to find a cure. Like chalky stated most venues are run by amateurs and on the cheap, I'm sure most are sensible and would cancel dates if needed. If this isn't taken serious by everyone on the planet we could end up like the dinosaurs. This as not reached Africa yet, when it does with the poor facilities they have it will spread like wild fire 

[Soulstrutter]

3 hours ago, soulfuljules said:

This site is pretty informative although the data reported are coming from the single states. For instance Russia has only 4 declared cases...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I've also been monitoring that site all week watching the Italian stats (as can we trust Chinese or Iranian figures and South Korean situation seems to be focused on a single source ... some religious sect)... so The Italian figures are the most reliable.  

On Monday there were 1,835 cases and as of today that stands at 3,858 (more than doubled) and deaths were 52 and today 148 (almost tripled).  

If you then just consider the active cases 3296 (total (3858) less recovered (414)  or died (148)) then:

54% (1790/3296) of those are hospitalised and 10% (391/3296) are in intensive care. 

General thinking from Chief Medical Advisor is that cases will double approx. every 5 days.  

Facts not opinion ... do with these figures what you will!

P.S. I also noticed that the Russian figure stated 4 cases of which 2 were recovered which seemed very fishy ... conspiracy theorists wet dream! 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Soulstrutter

[Wayoutgirl]

8 hours ago, Chalky said:

People are forgetting that 99% of events are run by amateurs, most run their event on the cheap and event insurance will not even have crossed their minds.  Public Liability is probably the only one considered as some councils insist they take their own out despite the venue having it in place. 

The topic started off asking if future weekenders will be cancelling. Just wondering which ones do you class as run by amateurs?

Prestatyn, Bridlington, Blackpool Tower/Winter Gardens, Cleethorpes ?

 

[Chalky]

2 hours ago, Wayoutgirl said:

The topic started off asking if future weekenders will be cancelling. Just wondering which ones do you class as run by amateurs?

Prestatyn, Bridlington, Blackpool Tower/Winter Gardens, Cleethorpes ?

 

I’m talking about the scene generally and I think you know that 
 

be interesting if any of the promoters of weekenders have the relevant insurance?  I know we didn’t to cover anything like this when we ran a couple. 
 

I bet most only look at public liability when running a venue and I bet most rely on the venues own insurance in most cases. 

Edited March 6, 2020 by Chalky

[none]

In a bar/pub Quigglys one well informed chap speaking from words of Consultant 

( apparently  ) only those with pre existing illness need be worried . Obviously I laughed .

Only need to see rising deaths and at present .

Government spending near £50 m to find Vaccine .

This is not a joke anymore ! 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-47-new-cases-confirmed-taking-uk-total-to-163-11950718

Edited March 6, 2020 by Soulfulmerlin
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[Guest Shufflin]

just had a look on the events list doesn't look like any getting cancelled? also truly amazed at how many events are on this weekend, starting to get the 'everyone wants to be a DJ' comment

[Winsford Soul]

44 minutes ago, Shufflin said:

just had a look on the events list doesn't look like any getting cancelled? also truly amazed at how many events are on this weekend, starting to get the 'everyone wants to be a DJ' comment

Why would any be cancelled yet , not cancelled or stopped any gathering of people anywhere in the UK regardless of the event.  56 million people living in the country, 150 people have the disease.  I will let you work out the maths, yes it could get worse until it happens it's carry on as normal 

[Soulstrutter]

1 hour ago, Soulfulmerlin said:

Easy to cut into small pieces . Imagination comes to mind . 

I didn't mean that .... i.e. you don't need hand wash if you have access to a WC to wash your hands in! ... you need it when you don't! 

By the way ... I heard that South Korea has done something about bank notes https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/06/bank-notes-burned-quarantined-stop-spread-coronavirus-12361946/ to stop the spread ... hadn't thought about that ... so you'd want to be sanitising you hands after handling money!

[Len]

9 hours ago, Soulstrutter said:

By the way ... I heard that South Korea has done something about bank notes https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/06/bank-notes-burned-quarantined-stop-spread-coronavirus-12361946/ to stop the spread ... hadn't thought about that ... so you'd want to be sanitising you hands after handling money!

Again - Always have done  

.......I expect loads of people are planning to go away abroad this Easter, I wonder if this will still happen - If it doesn't, it will cost insurance companies millions! (Which we will pay for in the long run of course)

Len 

[Winsford Soul]

10 hours ago, Soulstrutter said:

I didn't mean that .... i.e. you don't need hand wash if you have access to a WC to wash your hands in! ... you need it when you don't! 

By the way ... I heard that South Korea has done something about bank notes https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/06/bank-notes-burned-quarantined-stop-spread-coronavirus-12361946/ to stop the spread ... hadn't thought about that ... so you'd want to be sanitising you hands after handling money!

Normal service was in order Saturday night at Wrong crowd in Lancaster and Bury Town Hall Nighter,  everyone was carrying on as normal,  hugs , handshakes and kisses . Didn't see one single person back off or away from anyone.  Long may it continue 

[Mike]

ok the talk has  have gone way 'off topic' with this

have moved the topic to freebasing and temp closed and will split and merge with other cv topic in a bit

when done suggest use the best suited topic for your talk

cheers

 

 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2020 by Mike

[Mike]

keeping things tidy and easy

the off topic posts have been split into a new topic (the last link)

so we end up having a serious topic 

this one - concerning itself more about promotion and events and real world

and a freebasing one - more suited for offtopic etc etc

 

 

ask all to bear in mind which topic you are in when posting

thanks now!

 

[Kevinkent]

I guess I fall into the "at risk" category, at least on paper. I'm 68 next month and I have Heart Disease.

Since undergoing a triple heart bypass 4 years ago, quotes to renew my annual travel insurance have shown a drastic increase in cost. I was just about to shop around for a better deal, but think I will find this impossible following the Corona Virus outbreak.

What I will do, and strongly recommend that others do, is renew my European Health Insurance Card (EHIC). Mine expires in June but despite our departure from the European Union they can still be used and renewed, or initially applied for, and will be valid untill Dec 31st. The EHIC is free and allows access to healthcare from state providers on the same basis as a resident of the country you're visiting. This means at a reduced cost or sometimes free of charge. More info at www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk .  It's meant to be a supplement to your Insurance rather than an alternative, but if insurance becomes cost prohibitive or has to many get out clauses, then EHIC is better than nothing.

What I'm also considering is driving to the Hitsville Weekender in Mojacar, Spain, in September. For me, a short drive to Dover, 3 or 4 hour ferry crossing and then a 1,510 mile drive through France and Spain. The French services are well equipped and cater for the many people that park up and sleep in their cars overnight. 

So, minimal contact with other travellers etc, plus far healthier and more enjoyable than hanging around at airports in my opinion.

If we are still allowed to travel in the near future, then I hope that some of you might have found my suggestions useful.

See you when I get there.     - Kev

 

[Andybellwood]

7 minutes ago, Kevinkent said:

I guess I fall into the "at risk" category, at least on paper. I'm 68 next month and I have Heart Disease.

Since undergoing a triple heart bypass 4 years ago, quotes to renew my annual travel insurance have shown a drastic increase in cost. I was just about to shop around for a better deal, but think I will find this impossible following the Corona Virus outbreak.

What I will do, and strongly recommend that others do, is renew my European Health Insurance Card (EHIC). Mine expires in June but despite our departure from the European Union they can still be used and renewed, or initially applied for, and will be valid untill Dec 31st. The EHIC is free and allows access to healthcare from state providers on the same basis as a resident of the country you're visiting. This means at a reduced cost or sometimes free of charge. More info at www.nhsbsa.nhs.uk .  It's meant to be a supplement to your Insurance rather than an alternative, but if insurance becomes cost prohibitive or has to many get out clauses, then EHIC is better than nothing.

What I'm also considering is driving to the Hitsville Weekender in Mojacar, Spain, in September. For me, a short drive to Dover, 3 or 4 hour ferry crossing and then a 1,510 mile drive through France and Spain. The French services are well equipped and cater for the many people that park up and sleep in their cars overnight. 

So, minimal contact with other travellers etc, plus far healthier and more enjoyable than hanging around at airports in my opinion.

If we are still allowed to travel in the near future, then I hope that some of you might have found my suggestions useful.

See you when I get there.     - Kev

 

Great advice about EHIC . Big thanks Kev.