Guest Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 Anyone know the history on this disc ? Rarity, when discovered, played etc... How 'bout the label ??? Detroit ?? Any help appreciated. Does anyone have a sound byte? Cheers Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 A quick and dirty brief info goes like A great track Soul Sam paid a fair bit for it, think 18 months/2 years ago. Seems like a one off Thrown up a clip for now at smack this other side has been rated by some but imo nowhere near it Can throw up Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Anyone know the history on this disc ? Rarity, when discovered, played etc... How 'bout the label ??? Detroit ?? Any help appreciated. Does anyone have a sound byte? Cheers Never quite understood how this got to be so expensive, some going for over £4.000, a lot less nowadays. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ted Massey Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Sam bought it of adey Pierce last least 5/6 years ago for 4k+ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Sam bought it of adey Pierce last least 5/6 years ago for 4k+ Wealthy man............. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Simsy Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Mick H has one as well. There was a thread on here about how her Dad was a Dentist or something and she was given the studio time to settle a debt. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Tezza Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Mick H plays his out and has for many a year now. If anyone knows the background I would put money on Mick. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Typical northern dancer.....Marmite record. I like Marmite! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Typical northern dancer.....Marmite record. I like Marmite! What's not to like?! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Dave Turner Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Thread from 2010 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 thread from 2003 wow Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Never quite understood how this got to be so expensive, some going for over £4.000, a lot less nowadays. I think that a box was found (late in the game). Before the '80s, I had only seen a couple beat up copies in the hands of US collectors. I never found one for myself in many trips to Detroit in the mid '60s. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Anyone know the history on this disc ? Rarity, when discovered, played etc... How 'bout the label ??? Detroit ?? Any help appreciated. Does anyone have a sound byte? Cheers As stated in the 2010 thread, it was definitely produced and recorded in Detroit(in 1967, I believe), by Popcorn Wylie. The "Gene" involved (Margaret's "discoverer" and manager) was said to be a barbershop owner on The West Side of Detroit. On the thread, he was said to have been named "Gene Bro". That doesn't sound right to me. We had a discussion on SDF in which Ron Murphy (who also had worked with Wylie) had mentioned his actual full last name (it started with Bro...and included more letters). He went by Gene "Bro" as a nickname. But, I can't remember the complete name; and the thread was lost during the Soulful Detroit Forum's website's reorganisation/reformatting effort. The label owner, "Gene", in question, was DEFINITELY NOT Gene Redd Jr., as suggested by some posters. Redd never really resided full-time in Detroit, although, he operated his Golden World-distributed Stephanye Records partly in Detroit in 1966. But he recorded only New York artists he had worked with in New York, and spent little time in Detroit, where he could "discover" young Detroit talent he'd want to record. The other thread also mentioned (from an interview with Ms. Little (margaret Little was her real birth name)), that she was given the recording studio time in recompense for a debt owed. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Thread from 2010 This thread's from 2003 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Either way she should step forward and receive some deserved applause and Soul Source love and affection. we've had Lorraine Chandler, Darryl Stewart and Cecil Washington honour us all with their presence, so why not our Margaret? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Robbk Posted February 18, 2013 Share Posted February 18, 2013 Andy Rix, who wrote what he learned from a telephone call with Ms. Little in a thread on this forum from 2010, said he was hoping to talk to her again, to get more information about her career and this production. I'm guessing that he never did talk to her again. Otherwise, we would know what he learned (ostensibly from his adding it to the 2010 thread). But, I hope he sees the additions to these 2 threads, and comments on that subject. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 It's records like these that really do make outsiders scratch their heads. Rather like Don Gardner. Naf to "OK" tunes selling for the price of a small secondhand car. Yes I'd like to have one, only to sell as fast as possible to buy some decent choons............... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Either way she should step forward and receive some deserved applause and Soul Source love and affection. we've had Lorraine Chandler, Darryl Stewart and Cecil Washington honour us all with their presence, so why not our Margaret? Good point Macca.Then all the "knockers" and "haters" can tell her to her face. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Andy Rix Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Andy Rix, who wrote what he learned from a telephone call with Ms. Little in a thread on this forum from 2010, said he was hoping to talk to her again, to get more information about her career and this production. I'm guessing that he never did talk to her again. Otherwise, we would know what he learned (ostensibly from his adding it to the 2010 thread). But, I hope he sees the additions to these 2 threads, and comments on that subject. I did talk to her again and have her 'story' that I need to write up .... time just slips away and I had my Masters to finish. I'll dig my recordings of our conversations out and will get it done She had suffered a minor stroke that had affected her memory a little bit but we managed to piece things together. She couldn't be sure what Gene Bro's real name was but she didn't think he was a barber .. but of course that shouldn't be taken as fact Andy 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) It's records like these that really do make outsiders scratch their heads. Rather like Don Gardner. Naf to "OK" tunes selling for the price of a small secondhand car. Yes I'd like to have one, only to sell as fast as possible to buy some decent choons............... Don Gardner is as good as anything that's ever been played, covered up or otherwise, from the Wheel to the 100 Club and beyond. What some people perceive as being "naf", "ok" and sublime changes according to one's taste, time, place and other subjective factors. Opinions are like colours, there's lots of them, differents shades, hues etc... Edited February 19, 2013 by macca 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Good point Macca.Then all the "knockers" and "haters" can tell her to her face. Quite. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Don Gardner is as good as anything that's ever been played, covered up or otherwise, from the Wheel to the 100 Club and beyond. What some people perceive as being "naf", "ok" and sublime changes according to one's taste, time, place and other subjective factors. Opinions are like colours, there's lots of them, differents shades, hues etc... Your opinion Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Good point Macca.Then all the "knockers" and "haters" can tell her to her face. What's wrong with that ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 What's wrong with that ? Nothing.But we'll see who has the balls to tell her. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Benji Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Nothing.But we'll see who has the balls to tell her. I'd have. It's a shite record. either side. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'd have. It's a shite record. either side. I wait with anticipation.Spread the negativity.!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Benji Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 It's not negativity FFS. It's being honest. Emperor's new clothes record it is. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Your opinion Well that was precisely my point dear fellow. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 It's not negativity FFS. It's being honest. Emperor's new clothes record it is. Will the Emperor please stand up!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 It's not negativity FFS. It's being honest. Emperor's new clothes record it is. Thanks for your honesty. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ezzie Brown Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 great at 4 am at lifeline..........proper niter tune ...........ez 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'd have. It's a shite record. either side. I think that would be slightly uncharitable of you, Benji. What possibly could you gain from it? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I think that would be slightly uncharitable of you, Benji. What possibly could you gain from it? Exactamundo Macca-rena. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Macarena is a girl's name, I'll have ye know. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve L Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 One should keep ones negative opinions to oneself in such circumstances. It's just not the done thing in polite society Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Macarena is a girl's name, I'll have ye know. Sorry,slight play on name though.... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
sir cumference Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Okay-so we get it,it`s not everyones "cup of tea". But that`s the same for every song ever played. The fact that it does get played validates it-surely!(Whether some like it,or not!) 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 i hope she doesnt come on here....i dont know what would be worse, the slagging off of said 45 or the ass kissing.... i know one thing i`m sick to death of topics on this 45 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 i hope she doesnt come on here....i dont know what would be worse, the slagging off of said 45 or the ass kissing.... i know one thing i`m sick to death of topics on this 45 Not sure about the ass kissing Dave,no no no.Some might say i've got nothing better to do than post on this thread - and they'd be right. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 But it doesn't have to be either though, does it? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
SHEFFSOUL Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Anyone know the history on this disc ? Rarity, when discovered, played etc... How 'bout the label ??? Detroit ?? Any help appreciated. Does anyone have a sound byte? Cheers has been booted ALREADY.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 We've already answered that one. ;-) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest in town Mikey Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I was dancing to this at about 1.30 am when Mick played it at Gloucester last weekend. I believe on my return to the table we were sat at, I may have uttered the phrase - what a ####ing record! Before plonking myself down to catch my breath. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Nothing.But we'll see who has the balls to tell her. I'm sure she's a lovely person. Doesn't mean that she recorded a great record, didn't do much. If it was in large numbers I doubt it would get a play anywhere. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Dave Pinch Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 But it doesn't have to be either though, does it? it doesnt have to be but you dont have to be a boffin to see thats what`ll happen Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Jim G Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 If it was in large numbers I doubt it would get a play anywhere. without drifting off topic, the same can be said for other records, that frankly ain't much cop, but are as rare as hell. 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
KevH Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I'm sure she's a lovely person. Doesn't mean that she recorded a great record, didn't do much. If it was in large numbers I doubt it would get a play anywhere. Didn't do much? Thank the lord most NS classics "didn't do much". Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
macca Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 I wouldn't set myself up as an arbiter of great taste but Don Gardner at Wigan used to have my fookin' hair standing on end. When Sam played Margaret Little in Barcelona the year before last it sounded fantastic and the floor was heaving. Willie J & Co. was the next record up. The floor continued to heave. Crap records? I think not.... Opinions, opinions... Colours, colours... 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Diddy Morgan Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) deleted Edited February 19, 2013 by diddy morgan Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chris L Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I wouldn't set myself up as an arbiter of great taste but Don Gardner at Wigan used to have my fookin' hair standing on end. When Sam played Margaret Little in Barcelona the year before last it sounded fantastic and the floor was heaving. Willie J & Co. was the next record up. The floor continued to heave. Crap records? I think not.... Opinions, opinions... Colours, colours... Good for you................ Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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