Steve Plumb Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) The Ellingtons - (I'm not) Destined to become a loser b/w The agony of the ecstasy - Castle #102 Made in vinyl with Blue label with silver text and logo F/W + LP 367004 scratched in run out Had this tucked away in a box for years thinking it was a boot from the 70's but cannot seem to find any info on it and have started questioning my sanity? Anyone got any ideas on it? Thanks in advance Steve Edited February 20, 2020 by Steve Plumb To give readers more info on the thread as the label owner joined in the debate Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Pretty sure this is proper Steve, the silver (same design) re-issue (legit) with light blue text and the then the plain one (bootleg) as you said I am sure Manship sold one for £400 (seems expensive though) £150- £200 on Popsike I had never seen a photo of them before until recently (how cool after all these years have passed by) There was a thread here as well about the Dark Blue Bobby Aceto, Sonny Aceto, Rob Russen, Nick Criaris and Rudy Wilson. Edited February 18, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Plumb Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 Thanks so much for the reply Blackpoolsoul and the link to the other thread. I did a search on SS earlier but didn't find that thread. I always thought it was a reissue but seems like I was wrong? One of the better mistakes I have made Thanks again Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Steve Plumb said: Thanks so much for the reply Blackpoolsoul and the link to the other thread. I did a search on SS earlier but didn't find that thread. I always thought it was a reissue but seems like I was wrong? One of the better mistakes I have made Thanks again Steve It's age mate and you are older than me Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Plumb Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Blackpoolsoul said: It's age mate and you are older than me LOL Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Speedlimit Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Deffo original Steve silver ones were done by the owner of Castle records if memory serves me right. Kev Roberts best man to ask Regards Steve 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, Speedlimit said: Deffo original Steve silver ones were done by the owner of Castle records if memory serves me right. Kev Roberts best man to ask Regards Steve Did you not read the old thread I added ? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Speedlimit Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Oops at work not concetrating lol 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 was that the first £100 record? i have vague memories of it being a big topic of conversation , 77 ish Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winsford Soul Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 57 minutes ago, Ian Parker said: was that the first £100 record? i have vague memories of it being a big topic of conversation , 77 ish Thought James Fountain. Seven day lover Peachtree. Was the first. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Ian Parker Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 you could be right.... deffo 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Patto Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Ive got an original Millionaires on Same Castle label and would love an Ellingtons to go with it.Got a few trades to go so give me a PM if you fancy a swap deal please Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russoul1 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) have got both the millionaires & the ellingtons 45s...…..the millionaires as a frankford wayne stamp but the ellingtons doesn't, but believe that all or most of the ellingtons vinyl are pitted and have bubbles in vinyl. the posters copy is defo real Edited February 20, 2020 by Russoul1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Winsford Soul Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 53 minutes ago, Russoul1 said: have got both the millionaires & the ellingtons 45s...…..the millionaires as a Nashville stamp but the ellingtons doesn't, but believe that all or most of the ellingtons vinyl are pitted and have bubbles in vinyl. the posters copy is defo real My Ellingtons definitely was pitted and had bubbles in the vinyl as above. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulstrutter Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 The 'official' bootleg ... everything about it is 'just wrong' Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Plumb Posted February 18, 2020 Author Share Posted February 18, 2020 Thanks for all the replies folks I think many moons ago i must have mixed up the Millionaires with the Ellingtons and i presumed it was a boot/reissue cos there was no stamp, which of course I now realise it never had a stamp in the first place LOL Like I said earlier, one of my better mistakes Thanks again everyone Cheers Steve Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) On 18/02/2020 at 22:34, Steve Plumb said: Thanks for all the replies folks I think many moons ago i must have mixed up the Millionaires with the Ellingtons and i presumed it was a boot/reissue cos there was no stamp, which of course I now realise it never had a stamp in the first place LOL Like I said earlier, one of my better mistakes Thanks again everyone Cheers Steve Steve it's not quite the end (hope you don't mind) As the Millionaires (different groups) came up here and in a previous thread 12 years ago, I thought I would do some research I contacted Rob Russen and he has Kindly supplied this information and I believe he is joining Soul Source and hopefully will join in Edited February 20, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob Russen Posted February 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2020 On 18/02/2020 at 07:37, Steve Plumb said: The Ellingtons - (I'm not) Destined to become a loser b/w The agony of the ecstasy - Castle #102 Made in vinyl with Blue label with silver text and logo F/W + LP 367004 scratched in run out Had this tucked away in a box for years thinking it was a boot from the 70's but cannot seem to find any info on it and have started questioning my sanity? Anyone got any ideas on it? Thanks in advance Steve This is definitely an original issue copy of my band's record. I know well as I wrote it, produced it, performed in the band and own the label. Rob Russen 8 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rob Russen Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 On 19/02/2020 at 04:02, Russoul1 said: have got both the millionaires & the ellingtons 45s...…..the millionaires as a Nashville stamp but the ellingtons doesn't, but believe that all or most of the ellingtons vinyl are pitted and have bubbles in vinyl. the posters copy is defo real I'm not sure what you mean when you say "The Millionaires as a Nashville stamp..." The records were produced in Camden, NJ and pressed in Philadelphia. Nashville had nothing to do with either of my Ellingtons and Millionaires releases. Rob Russen 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob Russen Posted February 20, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2020 On 19/02/2020 at 05:22, Soulstrutter said: The 'official' bootleg ... everything about it is 'just wrong' As founding member of the Ellingtons band, writer and producer of our songs I assure you this is a bootleg. I have no idea who T.N.J.s are or how they can claim to be producers of my song as they do not have a license from me to do so. Please do not buy bootlegs of my music. Rob Russen 4 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Rob Russen said: As founding member of the Ellingtons band, writer and producer of our songs I assure you this is a bootleg. I have no idea who T.N.J.s are or how they can claim to be producers of my song as they do not have a license from me to do so. Please do not buy bootlegs of my music. Rob Russen Welcome Rob and thanks for joining Soul Source, it's a pleasure to talk and sort these issues from the man who knows Edited February 20, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bo Diddley Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rob Russen said: I'm not sure what you mean when you say "The Millionaires as a Nashville stamp..." The records were produced in Camden, NJ and pressed in Philadelphia. Nashville had nothing to do with either of my Ellingtons and Millionaires releases. Rob Russen Hello Rob, thank you for taking the time to comment. It's great when the original artists are able to be involved all these years later. I have both of the original 45's and have always enjoyed them!! I think the previous comment referred to a "Mastered By Frankford Wayne" machine stamp in the deadwax rather than the Nashville stamp. The Ellingtons 45 has "F/W" scratched in the deadwax which I assume also refers to Frankford Wayne. All the best Kev Bod. Edited February 20, 2020 by Bo Diddley Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bo Diddley said: Hello Rob, thank you for taking the time to comment. It's great when the original artists are able to be involved all these years later. I have both of the original 45's and have always enjoyed them!! I think the previous comment referred to a "Mastered By Frankford Wayne" machine stamp in the deadwax rather than the Nashville stamp. The Ellingtons 45 has "F/W" scratched in the deadwax which I assume also refers to Frankford Wayne. All the best Kev Bod. Not sure as I thought Frankford Wayne were New York, Robb will know Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Bo Diddley Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Not sure as I thought Frankford Wayne were New York, Robb will know I'm sure as I'm looking at the records!! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Bo Diddley said: I'm sure as I'm looking at the records!! Could be as Philadelphia Records used them Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 43 minutes ago, Bo Diddley said: I'm sure as I'm looking at the records!! Confirmed your comment all the label was pressed at Frankford Wayne Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Russoul1 Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Rob Russen said: I'm not sure what you mean when you say "The Millionaires as a Nashville stamp..." The records were produced in Camden, NJ and pressed in Philadelphia. Nashville had nothing to do with either of my Ellingtons and Millionaires releases. Rob Russen sorry rob, off course your right it as a frankford wayne stamp ooops, should look before I write next time! just a quick question as said my copy as pressing bubbles in the vinyl....are they all like this or just a batch? great record btw a real part of my youth Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulstrutter Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 11 hours ago, Rob Russen said: As founding member of the Ellingtons band, writer and producer of our songs I assure you this is a bootleg. I have no idea who T.N.J.s are or how they can claim to be producers of my song as they do not have a license from me to do so. Please do not buy bootlegs of my music. Rob Russen Hi Rob Thanks for commenting on this. As I stated originally everything about it is wrong so no one should have been under any illusion that it was legit (wrong color, no logo, no writer credits, inaccurate producers as you state (that aren't even on the original pressing), even the title is incorrect! and the B side is the same track. This was pressed up late 70s (78/79 I would guess) as your record was 'in demand' as played heavily at Wigan Casino at the time. No idea who pressed it and also no idea of how many are still floating around. Not even listed on Discogs (who would probably ban it from sale in an case). It is listed on 45Cat here: https://www.45cat.com/record/102us19 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Plumb Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 12 hours ago, Rob Russen said: This is definitely an original issue copy of my band's record. I know well as I wrote it, produced it, performed in the band and own the label. Rob Russen Hi Rob Many thanks for the reply much appreciated As the owner, writer, producer, band member, singer, guitarist etc I think we can take this as being direct from the horses mouth Don't you just love Soul Source when things like this can happen All the very best Steve 1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, Soulstrutter said: Hi Rob Thanks for commenting on this. As I stated originally everything about it is wrong so no one should have been under any illusion that it was legit (wrong color, no logo, no writer credits, inaccurate producers as you state (that aren't even on the original pressing), even the title is incorrect! and the B side is the same track. This was pressed up late 70s (78/79 I would guess) as your record was 'in demand' as played heavily at Wigan Casino at the time. No idea who pressed it and also no idea of how many are still floating around. Not even listed on Discogs (who would probably ban it from sale in an case). It is listed on 45Cat here: https://www.45cat.com/record/102us19 https://www.discogs.com/The-Ellingtons-Destined-To-Be-A-Loser/release/4585330 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Steve Plumb Posted February 20, 2020 Author Share Posted February 20, 2020 11 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Welcome Rob and thanks for joining Soul Source, it's a pleasure to talk and sort these issues from the man who knows Thanks for all the superb info too Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Blackpoolsoul Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Steve Plumb said: Thanks for all the superb info too Steve if it wasn't for you starting the thread and Rob and I swapping Doggie photos (our chihuahuas) all this info would have not come to light. 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soulstrutter Posted February 20, 2020 Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: https://www.discogs.com/The-Ellingtons-Destined-To-Be-A-Loser/release/4585330 Thanks .... That's weird as it's not listed under Ellingtons releases ... you have to click 'Unofficial' to see it! ... but as suspected it is blocked from sale (JM's got it on his site for £15). P.S. The last 'original' to sell that I can find on on Popsike was April 2018 and went for £218: https://www.popsike.com/Northern-Soul-45-The-Ellingtons-Castle-Lbl-Camden-NJ/372277360319.html ... also found this while searching (not listed anywhere) says it's doo wop so probably a different group? https://www.popsike.com/Ellingtons-45-rpm-GClef-My-Story-Hurry-Home/392622701596.html Edited February 20, 2020 by Soulstrutter Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Soul-slider Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just to add, Rob, It did get an official UK release too, as I'm sure you are aware... 2 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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