Patto Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) OK Guys i think i may just be able to recount my story behind the 7 Dwarfs Stop Girl on Ideal .I Think i have the dates right but was 13 and the record was a popular youth club spin during 1978 79 when it was a casino play.I ordered a copy from a mail order list and it arrived about 2 weeks later.i was shocked when i saw the copy as it was very thin vinyl thinner than any of my other records.So i took it round to my older casino regular mates house to compare it with his copy.As soon as he saw it he laughed and said thats a crap pressing Patto sling it and ill get you a copy like mine for 75p .His copy was on nice thick vinyl.So i gave him the 75p and threw my copy onto his parents coal fire and watched it curl up and melt.Some 20 years later when the internet came to the fore i realised that the one i threw on the fire was very likely the original copy and the replacement i had was the Boot.So i have tried for years to rectify it and get a real one.So far i have bought 3 off ebay which all claimed to be original but had to be sent back.I have aked every one who has a copy to check and they have all turned out to be the boots.I have seen 2 real ones played by DJs and seen 4 real ones for sale.I missed em all by hours.Last one i missed just before Christma as i was skint buying pressies. So im after one.A decent playable original.A Deffo original with details as per Manship below.Please PM me if you have one for sale to a loving home.I have Some nice trades that can go as well.But cash waiting for a fair priced copy. To paraphrase John Manship -one of the World's most respected NS dealers: The originals have moulded on labels on very thin 'flexible' vinyl. deadwax details: etched in matrix 1168A (no gaps). The top circle on the 8 is lopsided and larger than the bottom circle with what appears to be a triangle attached to it. Hold the 1168A in the six o'clock position and there is an etched in upside down F/W in the 11 o'clock position. Unless these details are in the deadwax it is a counterfeit. Apart from the above being missing, the counterfeit is also distinguished by 1168 A (gap between the 8 and A) and more importantly the composer credits Dame Francis - the e at the end of Dame is smudged - on the original the e is crisp and clean Edited January 29, 2020 by Patto
Winsford Soul Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 Good luck. It took me 25 years to get a real one. Sold it 7 years as part of my collection. It is genuinely a rare record Steve
Patto Posted January 21, 2020 Author Posted January 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said: Good luck. It took me 25 years to get a real one. Sold it 7 years as part of my collection. It is genuinely a rare record Steve IT is mate very hard.Its not everyones cup of tea and lots hate it.So thankfully its not that much in demand.If the prices are crazy then my chase will have to end but this is my last punt. 1
Frankie Crocker Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Patto said: OK Guys i think i may just be able to recount my story behind the 7 Dwarfs Stop Girl on Ideal .I Think i have the dates right but was 13 and the record was a popular youth club spin during 1978 79 when it was a casino play.I ordered a copy from a mail order list and it arrived about 2 weeks later.i was shocked when i saw the copy as it was very thin vinyl thinner than any of my other records.So i took it round to my older casino regular mates house to compare it with his copy.As soon as he saw it he laughed and said thats a crap pressing Patto sling it and ill get you a copy like mine for 75p .His copy was on nice thick vinyl.So i gave him the 75p and threw my copy onto his parents coal fire and watched it curl up and melt.Some 20 years later when the internet came to the fore i realised that the one i threw on the fire was very likely the original copy and the replacement i had was the Boot.So i have tried for years to rectify it and get a real one.So far i have bought 3 off ebay which all claimed to be original but had to be sent back.I have aked every one who has a copy to check and they have all turned out to be the boots.I have seen 2 real ones played by DJs and seen 4 real ones for sale.I missed em all by hours.Last one i missed just before Christma as i was skint buying pressies. So im after one.A decent playable original.A Deffo original with details as per Manship below.Please PM me if you have one for sale to a loving home.I have Some nice trades that can go as well.But cash waiting for a fair priced copy. To paraphrase John Manship -one of the World's most respected NS dealers: The originals have moulded on labels on very thin 'flexible' vinyl. deadwax details: etched in matrix 1168A (no gaps). The top circle on the 8 is lopsided and larger than the bottom circle with what appears to be a triangle attached to it. Hold the 1168A in the six o'clock position and there is an etched in upside down F/W in the 11 o'clock position. Unless these details are in the deadwax it is a counterfeit. Apart from the above being missing, the counterfeit is also distinguished by 1168 A (gap between the 8 and A) and more importantly the composer credits Dame Francis - the e at the end of Dame is smudged - on the original the e is crisp and clean Ouch... Nearly as bad as throwing a Magnetics on Bonnie off Cleethorpes Pier. Good luck with your search. 2
Patto Posted January 21, 2020 Author Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, Frankie Crocker said: Ouch... Nearly as bad as throwing a Magnetics on Bonnie off Cleethorpes Pier. Good luck with your search. Oh dear we have all been through the pain barrier Frankie lol
Frankie Crocker Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 Just now, Patto said: Oh dear we have all been through the pain barrier Frankie lol Fortunately, it was not my copy but it belonged to someone else who didn’t rate it. Think I read about it on here years ago. I wince in pain when I read these stories.
Wiggyflat Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 It was a massive mod record in 1983 /84 there was loads of copies about (real and pretend)....I have 2 copies and i am about to see if they are real or not with your info.Good luck in getting one
Patto Posted January 21, 2020 Author Posted January 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, wiggyflat said: It was a massive mod record in 1983 /84 there was loads of copies about (real and pretend)....I have 2 copies and i am about to see if they are real or not with your info.Good luck in getting one Cheers mate if you have one thats real to sell give us a shout please
Wiggyflat Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) Looks like i have an orig and a boot Edited January 21, 2020 by wiggyflat
Patto Posted January 21, 2020 Author Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, wiggyflat said: Looks like i have an orig and a boot Arnt they both the same pic mate.The e looks smuged in them both.The clincher is the matrix details as in my post
Wiggyflat Posted January 21, 2020 Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Patto said: Arnt they both the same pic mate.The e looks smuged in them both.The clincher is the matrix details as in my post The top one has all the etchings in the right place and the funny shaped 8 and the w at 6 o'clock 1168A at 1 pm.............the boot has 1168 A at 9pm 8 in a normal shape and no w Edited January 21, 2020 by wiggyflat
Patto Posted January 21, 2020 Author Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, wiggyflat said: The top one has all the etchings in the right place and the funny shaped 8 and the w at 6 o'clock 1168A at 1 pm.............the boot has 1168 A at 9pm 8 in a normal shape and no w If the original one is for sale then send me a full scan of it via PM and your price please.
Patto Posted January 21, 2020 Author Posted January 21, 2020 Thanks Guys but still looking please only send Pms if you have one for sale thanks
sid jones Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 hi steve is that the one you perchased of me from the other copys i had 1
Winsford Soul Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, sid jones said: hi steve is that the one you perchased of me from the other copys i had Yes Sid. That's the one mate.
sid jones Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 still have a few left but cant get to them steve 1
Winsford Soul Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, sid jones said: still have a few left but cant get to them steve That's a shame mate. Hope you will soon
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