BBC 1 Inside Out - Wigan Casino Segment 10 Feb 2020

[Soul16]

8 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

My thoughts exactly 

Here’s a close up...

 

[Baz Atkinson]

5 minutes ago, Winsford Soul said:

Baz. So true my friend.  It also made us the people who we are now for better or worse.   And was the start of many friendships that are still going strong now and a love for this music that has never died

Bang on mate instead we get a picture of a bootleg of Frank Wilson it saddens me Steve but does not surprise me ! 

[Blackpoolsoul]

28 minutes ago, Frankie Crocker said:

Maybe a lookalikey mocked up for the clip? Nevertheless, a seriously important disc back in the day and of course, a big spin at the finale. Enjoyed the whole segment. 

I would be saddened if its was (sort of sums up this record scene) that some have inherited

[Frankie Crocker]

9 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

I would be saddened if its was (sort of sums up this record scene) that some have inherited

Russ needed a copy of Frank Wilson to flash in the clip, but as there’s only two in existence, he had to improvise. As far as I’m aware, he has not stated he actually possesses a copy. 

[Chatty]

10 minutes ago, Frankie Crocker said:

Russ needed a copy of Frank Wilson to flash in the clip, but as there’s only two in existence, he had to improvise. As far as I’m aware, he has not stated he actually possesses a copy. 

Sure I've heard him say in the past  he made a carver before letting his go.

[Frankie Crocker]

2 minutes ago, chatty said:

Sure I've heard him say in the past  he made a carver before letting his go.

So, did he actually own a copy back in the70’s? I know Soussan pilfered a file copy to bootleg the Eddie Foster cover-up - did this copy end up with Russ?

[Chatty]

8 minutes ago, Frankie Crocker said:

So, did he actually own a copy back in the70’s? I know Soussan pilfered a file copy to bootleg the Eddie Foster cover-up - did this copy end up with Russ?

Soussan sent him some incarnation of it, because he was the one who had it first at the Casino.

And I heard him say at a later date that he made a copy before he let his go ( something he says he should never have done) I'm sure he said the copy he had he swapped for a thousand pounds worth of records at the time.

[Blackpoolsoul]

9 hours ago, chatty said:

Soussan sent him some incarnation of it, because he was the one who had it first at the Casino.

And I heard him say at a later date that he made a copy before he let his go ( something he says he should never have done) I'm sure he said the copy he had he swapped for a thousand pounds worth of records at the time.

I thought Les McCutcheon lent it Russ before he sold it to Jon Woodliffe, that's maybe when he did it

Edited February 11, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul

[Tomangoes]

All roads lead to DILYIID...

As only an occasional attendee of the Casino, I cant say I've ever thought the tune and the club being synonymous...

I think more afternoon of the rhino, rosemary what happened, and even where I'm not wanted, point first to wigan.

Problem is they are not known to the general public.

And why is the last night(s) even important. 

Apart from sentimental punter tears, what records got broke that will forever be remembered as wigan classics?

Just feeling a little cynical as to the purpose of the programme subject.

Ed

[Frankie Crocker]

58 minutes ago, Tomangoes said:

All roads lead to DILYIID...

As only an occasional attendee of the Casino, I cant say I've ever thought the tune and the club being synonymous...

I think more afternoon of the rhino, rosemary what happened, and even where I'm not wanted, point first to wigan.

Problem is they are not known to the general public.

And why is the last night(s) even important. 

Apart from sentimental punter tears, what records got broke that will forever be remembered as wigan classics?

Just feeling a little cynical as to the purpose of the programme subject.

Ed

Best viewed as an end of an era mini-documentary. Frank Wilson was one of a tiny number of records that crossed over into the public domain - as its value soared, the legend grew. If Russ actually played the tune out on an Emi-disc-carver-thingy, then such an artefact merits a place in the Wigan museum when the time comes. Whether records were first spun at Wigan or just popularised there, a little bit of information to educate the public is not a bad thing.

[Robin S]

Good to see my brother flicking the v’s at the cameras outside at 1 min 07. He’s dined out on that for 43 years! No doubt the majority shared his sentiments that night...

[Steve G]

11 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

I didn't realise he was the owner or had he borrowed it ?

I thought it was a TMG with a "stuck on" Soul label.

[Blackpoolsoul]

19 minutes ago, Steve G said:

I thought it was a TMG with a "stuck on" Soul label.

My wife bought me a cashmere "looking" Jumper from Sainsburys (other supermarket clothes are available) and I wondered if I could put a Armani Logo on the front to spice it up a little, in case I am ever on the TV 

Edited February 11, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul

[Louise]

Struggled to see the actual point/reason  for this show, i mean the BBC can't afford to shell out for TV licenses for pensioners but they can afford to pay for Stuart Maconie and camera and sound man to ride around the country to film what to me was a pointless piece of journalism (and i use that term very loosely)

Dave

[Daved]

1 hour ago, Steve G said:

I thought it was a TMG with a "stuck on" Soul label.

It just looked like a cardboard cut out inserted in a sleeve to me. 

[Tomangoes]

1 hour ago, Steve G said:

I thought it was a TMG with a "stuck on" Soul label.

Indeed....closer inspection does show a sticky on label over a UK single....

Gawd forbid it's on top of the UK release and played out!

Ive got a fake soul copy that Frank did sign...guilty as charged.

Ed

[Chalky]

11 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said:

So, did he actually own a copy back in the70’s? I know Soussan pilfered a file copy to bootleg the Eddie Foster cover-up - did this copy end up with Russ?

He never owned it.  Soussan sent acetates over.  Les McCutcheon Bought Simon’s collection which included DILY.  It was then sold to Jonathon who sold it to Kev who I believe then sold it to Tim. 
 

The copy in the clip last night looks like an emi/acetate/carver with a photocopied label. 

[Blackpoolsoul]

30 minutes ago, Chalky said:

He never owned it.  Soussan sent acetates over.  Les McCutcheon Bought Simon’s collection which included DILY.  It was then sold to Jonathon who sold it to Kev who I believe then sold it to Tim. 
 

The copy in the clip last night looks like an emi/acetate/carver with a photocopied label. 

Jon swapped it with Kev for a load of LP's and Demos (12")

[Steve G]

47 minutes ago, Chalky said:

The copy in the clip last night looks like an emi/acetate/carver with a photocopied label. 

Yes on closer inspection, agreed. 

[Chatty]

1 hour ago, Chalky said:

He never owned it.  Soussan sent acetates over.  Les McCutcheon Bought Simon’s collection which included DILY.  It was then sold to Jonathon who sold it to Kev who I believe then sold it to Tim. 
 

The copy in the clip last night looks like an emi/acetate/carver with a photocopied label. 

Wonder what the interest/ value of the acetates sent over would be today then?

How many got sent, who got one, what's happened to them?

Has posted earlier definately remember Russ stating he "regretted letting his go".

 

[Blackpoolsoul]

11 minutes ago, chatty said:

Wonder what the interest/ value of the acetates sent over would be today then?

How many got sent, who got one, what's happened to them?

Has posted earlier definately remember Russ stating he "regretted letting his go".

 

The story is here and I think has been posted before

https://soulstrutter.blogspot.com/2009/09/worlds-rarest-soul-record.html

[Mike]

6 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

The story is here and I think has been posted before

 

 

 

[Geeselad]

have to say, considering this is all about the photo's, I'm not that impressed. They kept showing the same few shots and I don't see anything that the average punter wouldn't have captured. There's no reportage and its not really that creative IMHO, especially considering the significance of the event. 

[davidwapples]

16 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said:

I just watched the short version . What was the Motown demo that Russ had on the desk ?

First us demo version I've seen with a small spindle hole :P

[Rick Scott]

Nothing new then,  OK we got to know who 3 people were in a photograph at a last Wigan All-Niter as it was felt the need to track them down and identify them and talk to them, fair enough job done, nice guys who are still on the Scene enjoying and supporting the music. A nice touch when they were photographed together as they are now and they looked very happy about it and will obviously remember it all for a long time. Was it just an  "Inside Out" News Report or Something else that may be in the Pipe Line for future viewing, One for the Conspiracy Theorists to think about   I thought i saw 'Captain Obvious' Lurking about, or did i ?   

[Citizen P]

Caught up with it a bit later, bit of a non event really.

[Blackpoolsoul]

2 hours ago, Rick Scott said:

Nothing new then,  OK we got to know who 3 people were in a photograph at a last Wigan All-Niter as it was felt the need to track them down and identify them and talk to them, fair enough job done, nice guys who are still on the Scene enjoying and supporting the music. A nice touch when they were photographed together as they are now and they looked very happy about it and will obviously remember it all for a long time. Was it just an  "Inside Out" News Report or Something else that may be in the Pipe Line for future viewing, One for the Conspiracy Theorists to think about   I thought i saw 'Captain Obvious' Lurking about, or did i ?   

Yes Rick, I have just been to a parents forum at our kids school and it feels the same.......what was the point of it really, I don't know

[Phathom Janitor]

Yet again  MORE embarrassing exposure on national tv. All I'm gonna say is after all those years after that final nite which I did actually attend (but glad not photographed)id just like to say the person behind this site requires a big thanks for keeping a real soul scene going after the supposed end of rare soul.and the likes of soultown (middleton) new century (various venues)Springfield. Rugby (Benn hall) 100 club .Notts boat club (and I'm sure new venue RAFA club)and other venues that look to the future (rather than sweat bands beer towels and baggy pants)there what the future is really about.had we relied on Mr winstanley to brings things until today it would never have happened !!at Wigan SOUL SAM got it rite.look at today Butch.andy Dyson .Ady croasdell. Mick H.carl fortnum.colin law.etc bringing quality to the table all those years on.so keep your tv shows.the above venues djs and this site will keep the rare soul scene going not crap inaccurate nostalgia.oh don t forget tomorrow nite "totally wired radio"with true legends Tony smith&Guy Hennigan who trust me the scene today has a lot to thank for his co tribution.oh thanks Mike keep up the good work

[Speedlimit]

On 10/02/2020 at 21:58, Frankie Crocker said:

So, did he actually own a copy back in the70’s? I know Soussan pilfered a file copy to bootleg the Eddie Foster cover-up - did this copy end up with Russ?

Thatll be a big fat no 

[Speedlimit]

12 hours ago, Chalky said:

He never owned it.  Soussan sent acetates over.  Les McCutcheon Bought Simon’s collection which included DILY.  It was then sold to Jonathon who sold it to Kev who I believe then sold it to Tim. 
 

The copy in the clip last night looks like an emi/acetate/carver with a photocopied label. 

Yea a photo copy of Tim's copy at that beggers belief. 

[Frankie Crocker]

13 hours ago, Tomangoes said:

Indeed....closer inspection does show a sticky on label over a UK single....

Gawd forbid it's on top of the UK release and played out!

Ive got a fake soul copy that Frank did sign...guilty as charged.

Ed

 I think it’s an Emidisc with scratches revealing the metal underneath. The stuck on photocopied label has peeled off at the lower left - nothing a dab of Pritt Stick can’t fix. The spindle hole for a USA record has been cut by a blunt pair of primary school scissors. This is a very rare case of a USA label being applied to a record. Bids starting at £10,000 for this one-of-a-kind piece of legendary memorabilia...

 

 

 

[Geeselad]

I reckon someone would have paid a considerable amount of cash for Russ's copy of Soussan's acetate on memorability value alone . Certainly not the kind of cash that has been paid for a real one though. 

[Tomangoes]

At this point is the test press just discovered the rarest copy?

Only one of them, but 2 or 3 of the soul demos...

Anyway.....the programme achieved its objective. We are all talking about it!

Ed

[Speedlimit]

14 hours ago, Phathom Janitor said:

Yet again  MORE embarrassing exposure on national tv. All I'm gonna say is after all those years after that final nite which I did actually attend (but glad not photographed)id just like to say the person behind this site requires a big thanks for keeping a real soul scene going after the supposed end of rare soul.and the likes of soultown (middleton) new century (various venues)Springfield. Rugby (Benn hall) 100 club .Notts boat club (and I'm sure new venue RAFA club)and other venues that look to the future (rather than sweat bands beer towels and baggy pants)there what the future is really about.had we relied on Mr winstanley to brings things until today it would never have happened !!at Wigan SOUL SAM got it rite.look at today Butch.andy Dyson .Ady croasdell. Mick H.carl fortnum.colin law.etc bringing quality to the table all those years on.so keep your tv shows.the above venues djs and this site will keep the rare soul scene going not crap inaccurate nostalgia.oh don t forget tomorrow nite "totally wired radio"with true legends Tony smith&Guy Hennigan who trust me the scene today has a lot to thank for his co tribution.oh thanks Mike keep up the good work

Totally agree, but feel sorry for Russ has he doesnt seemed to have moved on. 

[Rob Wigley]

On 10/02/2020 at 20:54, Frankie Crocker said:

Maybe a lookalikey mocked up for the clip? Nevertheless, a seriously important disc back in the day and of course, a big spin at the finale. Enjoyed the whole segment. 

Looks like a UK Motown Copy (It has a black solid centre) with a poor photo copied label stuck on top !

[Chalky]

5 hours ago, Speedlimit said:

Totally agree, but feel sorry for Russ has he doesnt seemed to have moved on. 

And still taking the credit for what he shouldn’t be

Edited February 12, 2020 by Chalky

[Mike]

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