Blackpoolsoul Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 I do apologise if this has been covered before and perhaps someone can direct me if it has. Can someone help me identify the correct writing credits on this please ? 45 cat states that the "Wright" credit is Andrea herself, just to confuse matters (well at my age that's not surprising anyway)
The Yank Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 I've read that Andrea Henry = Ja Neen Henry. I'm not sure about Andrea Henry = Tom Wright. 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 11, 2020 Author Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, The Yank said: I've read that Andrea Henry = Ja Neen Henry. I'm not sure about Andrea Henry = Tom Wright. Thanks, brilliant and the other credits please on "The Grass Is Greener" is it Fred Briggs and Is Enoch actually Mike Gregory both Detroit ? Edited January 11, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul
Chalky Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 Andrea/Ja Neen was also a producer, she produced Diane Lewis on Love Records.
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 11, 2020 Author Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Chalky said: Andrea/Ja Neen was also a producer, she produced Diane Lewis on Love Records. Thanks that answered the Fred Briggs connection Just the Enoch Gregory bit left please Edited January 11, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul
Chalky Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Thanks that answered the Fred Briggs connection Just the Enoch Gregory bit left please As well as a songwriter he was a New York Dj by the name Dixie Drifter
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 11, 2020 Author Posted January 11, 2020 35 minutes ago, Chalky said: As well as a songwriter he was a New York Dj by the name Dixie Drifter Thanks Karl
Chalky Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) I cannot see anything anywhere on the net to suggest where the contributor on 45cat got his or her info to suggest Tom Wright is Andrea Henry? Andrea Henry does pop up and seemed pretty active in Detroit during the 60s despite her recording career being very limited. Edited January 12, 2020 by Chalky
Mike Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Mike said: this version credits may add to the mix which leads to this info Two magnificent examples of Herman's writings with Edotha Croom in Detroit. Janice's convincing voice is so much more expressive than the Andrea's. Taking on a charm of its own, you cannot stop the song from creeping under your skin. Those strolling lyrics "Like A Baby I'm Crying, I Need Your Satisfying". You hear Janice going the extra mile, injecting sultry desire into every word, you can almost touch her needing.. So much more expressive, slightly slower and giving you a whole new perspective on this great song. Classy tune, a great under-estimated original take, you cannot help comparing with the MGM Henry reworking. Slowly but surely Janice's original nudges up along side of the MGM classic. via the fine rare soul blog LOOKIN' FOR SOMETHIN' RARE soulrarity.exblog.jp above info from this page... https://soulrarity.exblog.jp/i4/ which appears to be lifted from this John Manship sales blurb here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk-fTXvIN00 Edited January 12, 2020 by Mike jm info
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 12, 2020 Author Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chalky said: I cannot see anything anywhere on the net to suggest where the contributor on 45cat got his or her info to suggest Tom Wright is Andrea Henry? Andrea Henry does pop up and seemed pretty active in Detroit during the 60s despite her recording career being very limited. https://www.45cat.com/record/k13893 Strange how there is no trail Edited January 12, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul
Mike Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Mike said: which leads to this info Two magnificent examples of Herman's writings with Edotha Croom in Detroit. Janice's convincing voice is so much more expressive than the Andrea's. Taking on a charm of its own, you cannot stop the song from creeping under your skin. Those strolling lyrics "Like A Baby I'm Crying, I Need Your Satisfying". You hear Janice going the extra mile, injecting sultry desire into every word, you can almost touch her needing.. So much more expressive, slightly slower and giving you a whole new perspective on this great song. Classy tune, a great under-estimated original take, you cannot help comparing with the MGM Henry reworking. Slowly but surely Janice's original nudges up along side of the MGM classic. via the fine rare soul blog LOOKIN' FOR SOMETHIN' RARE soulrarity.exblog.jp above info from this page... https://soulrarity.exblog.jp/i4/ which appears to be lifted from this John Manship sales blurb here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk-fTXvIN00
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 12, 2020 Author Posted January 12, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mike said: which leads to this info Two magnificent examples of Herman's writings with Edotha Croom in Detroit. Janice's convincing voice is so much more expressive than the Andrea's. Taking on a charm of its own, you cannot stop the song from creeping under your skin. Those strolling lyrics "Like A Baby I'm Crying, I Need Your Satisfying". You hear Janice going the extra mile, injecting sultry desire into every word, you can almost touch her needing.. So much more expressive, slightly slower and giving you a whole new perspective on this great song. Classy tune, a great under-estimated original take, you cannot help comparing with the MGM Henry reworking. Slowly but surely Janice's original nudges up along side of the MGM classic. via the fine rare soul blog LOOKIN' FOR SOMETHIN' RARE soulrarity.exblog.jp above info from this page... https://soulrarity.exblog.jp/i4/ which appears to be lifted from this John Manship sales blurb here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk-fTXvIN00 Edotha Croom of "Originals" writing fame and also Diane Lewis on Wand, thanks Mike it gets more and more interesting. Little People Music is on both Joking aside it's getting like the thread about "who played what first and when" with all these credits for the same record, or maybe Adele can credit me on some of her tunes Edited January 12, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul
Chalky Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: https://www.45cat.com/record/k13893 Strange how there is no trail yes I have read that and I did say 45cat contributor and that is the only quote to suggest Tom Wright is Andrea Henry that I can find.
Speedlimit Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 Could Janice actually be janeen Andrea Henry??
Garethx Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 Don't know where JM gets the idea that Janice is the original as it was released at least eighteen months after the Andrea Henry escaped on MGM. It's also inferior in every single respect. The two vocalists aren't the same person, at least to my ears. Andrea Henry was an adequate singer, "Janice" pretty awful. 3
Chalky Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) Apparently there is a magazine article from when she got her first record contract, she also won some sort of competition apparently. Something like Jet magazine if you can find it. Des Parker has or had a copy. I also read she was married to Herman Griffin but I can't find anything to back it up. @Soul Inc Edited January 15, 2020 by Chalky
The Yank Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Garethx said: Don't know where JM gets the idea that Janice is the original as it was released at least eighteen months after the Andrea Henry escaped on MGM. Actually, it was even longer than 18 months- Andrea Henry was release January/ February 1968. Janice came out June/ July 1970. 1
Andy Rix Posted January 15, 2020 Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chalky said: Apparently there is a magazine article from when she got her first record contract, she also won some sort of competition apparently. Something like Jet magazine if you can find it. Des Parker has or had a copy. I also read she was married to Herman Griffin but I can't find anything to back it up. @Soul Inc At the time of these recordings Herman was married to Gi Gi, of the Charmaines .... Gi Gi told me she cut the demo of 'INYLAB' and at one time had an acetate of her demo but she couldn't find it when I was at her house. She said she was upset, mostly with Dale Warren, that Andrea got to record & release it as she really loved the song. I have a very vague memory that Bobby, Herman's brother, said Janice was actually Gerri Jackson ... Hermans sister-in-law, Gi Gi's sister ... I picked a copy up at Bobby's house which is why it came up in conversation .... Gerri cut 'Right Direction', with Herman, released on the flip of the Stone Blue release of 'Who's Kissing You Tonight' which they cut at Don Walden's studio in Cincinatti .... but, pinch of salt, it was along time ago and I might not be right about the Janice / Gerri statement but it is stuck in my memory and I can't think why it would be there for any other reason Andy Andy Edited January 15, 2020 by Andy Rix Error 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 16, 2020 Author Posted January 16, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Andy Rix said: At the time of these recordings Herman was married to Gi Gi, of the Charmaines .... Gi Gi told me she cut the demo of 'INYLAB' and at one time had an acetate of her demo but she couldn't find it when I was at her house. She said she was upset, mostly with Dale Warren, that Andrea got to record & release it as she really loved the song. I have a very vague memory that Bobby, Herman's brother, said Janice was actually Gerri Jackson ... Hermans sister-in-law, Gi Gi's sister ... I picked a copy up at Bobby's house which is why it came up in conversation .... Gerri cut 'Right Direction', with Herman, released on the flip of the Stone Blue release of 'Who's Kissing You Tonight' which they cut at Don Walden's studio in Cincinatti .... but, pinch of salt, it was along time ago and I might not be right about the Janice / Gerri statement but it is stuck in my memory and I can't think why it would be there for any other reason Andy Andy https://www.modculture.co.uk/cleethorpes-liv/ https://doo-wop.blogg.org/the-charmaines-a116516360 Edited January 16, 2020 by Blackpoolsoul
Mike Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Blackpoolsoul said: a more detailed on site take from @Ady Croasdell... 'the third mystery track of the triumvirate is Gigi’s original version of the Andrea Henry and Janice Northern Soul classic ‘I Need You Like A Baby’. It’s a song Dale Warren wrote for the Charmaines that got as far as the demo stage but was then used on Andrea Henry. Sadly the demo version has not been heard since it was cut, but Gigi remembers Andrea copied her performance completely. '
Mick Boyle Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 Like Andy, a year or so later I also went to see Gi Gi with a couple of mates. They forewarned me not to mention Andrea Henry. My mates were upstairs with Gi Gis / Hermans son looking at the recording studio installed in his bedroom. I was drinking coffee with Gi Gi when she said " Do you know Andrea Henry" I said I know of 'need you like a baby' (didn't dare tell her I was the proud owner of a beautiful demo) Gi Gi said " that lady couldn't string three words together" and went on to say she had the original cut she had made. We searched her double garage in vain. Gi Gi went on to say she had seen Andrea a few years back on TV as she was involved with a dodgy police officer and they had been arrested. Mick
Rictic66 Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 Thanks vm for bringing this subject up Alan and all the replies. It’s finally persuaded me that the so called UK publishers acetate I bought (from a very reputable dealer) is dodgy and must have been a walk in commission job. I have asked other reputable dealers and all were interested, as it probably is a one off, but no different than an Emidisc of the time.
Blackpoolsoul Posted January 16, 2020 Author Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Rictic66 said: Thanks vm for bringing this subject up Alan and all the replies. It’s finally persuaded me that the so called UK publishers acetate I bought (from a very reputable dealer) is dodgy and must have been a walk in commission job. I have asked other reputable dealers and all were interested, as it probably is a one off, but no different than an Emidisc of the time. The Sex Pistols God Save The Queen they did sold for megabucks
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