Pablorally Posted November 21, 2019 Posted November 21, 2019 How much is the original worth today? Any ideas where it is? 1
Tomangoes Posted November 21, 2019 Posted November 21, 2019 It? You mean them. Plus the acetate. My original fake pressing reissue bootleg...but signed by Frank at LA2004....I got him to sign a bar menu just to show its real....got to be £100. Ed 1
Guest Shufflin Posted November 21, 2019 Posted November 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Tomangoes said: It? You mean them. Plus the acetate. My original fake pressing reissue bootleg...but signed by Frank at LA2004....I got him to sign a bar menu just to show its real....got to be £100. Ed my kids would say pics or didn't happen
Guest Shufflin Posted November 21, 2019 Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) @Pablorally oh and £35k Edited November 21, 2019 by Shufflin
Woodbutcher Posted November 21, 2019 Posted November 21, 2019 Or upwards of $75,000 for the test press.
Guest Shufflin Posted November 21, 2019 Posted November 21, 2019 still think there are more copies out there, somewhere hidden away in collections
Chalky Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 One in Scunthorpe, one in Todmorden, test press in Detroit. File copies probably in Jobete or Motown. No more known about although Gordy is rumoured to have one. 3
Pablorally Posted November 22, 2019 Author Posted November 22, 2019 Thanks everyone for your reply. So 35k would buy me one. Er.... Santa is on his way but I ain't been a good boy..
Dylan Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 11 hours ago, Chalky said: One in Scunthorpe, one in Todmorden, test press in Detroit. File copies probably in Jobete or Motown. No more known about although Gordy is rumoured to have one. It’s probably worth more than some of the houses in scunny. is that who bought it from manship or has it changed hands ?
Chalky Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Dylan said: It’s probably worth more than some of the houses in scunny. is that who bought it from manship or has it changed hands ? Same guy, he lived in hull. I think he split from his missus for whom he bought the record. 2
Simon T Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Chalky said: Same guy, he lived in hull. I think he split from his missus for whom he bought the record. Luckily for him he had the £35k , and even more fortunate to have a missus called Kenny. Unfortunately, she ran off with bloke called Otis Clark (a.k.a. Eddie Foster) for his complete collection of Casino Classics. Edited November 22, 2019 by Simon T 1
Guest Shufflin Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 I wonder if the fact it's gonna be on Strictly tomorrow will impact the value? would a serious collector with lots of dosh still want it? no idea
Chalky Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, Shufflin said: I wonder if the fact it's gonna be on Strictly tomorrow will impact the value? would a serious collector with lots of dosh still want it? no idea Why would it? It has been used all over TV. You seem to hear it more commercially than you do at a venue. 2
Frankie Crocker Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 14 hours ago, Chalky said: One in Scunthorpe, one in Todmorden, test press in Detroit. File copies probably in Jobete or Motown. No more known about although Gordy is rumoured to have one. I thought Simon Soussan ‘borrowed’ the Motown file copy? Berry Gordy ordered all copies to be destoyed so he would be unlikely to keep one. Is the copy in Todmorden playable or too warped... I can’t recall the rumours on this one? 1
Guest Shufflin Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Chalky said: Why would it? It has been used all over TV. You seem to hear it more commercially than you do at a venue. more exposure makes something less desirable especially if seen to be a bit cheesy? like I said dunno, not one I'd go after if won lottery
Chalky Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Frankie Crocker said: I thought Simon Soussan ‘borrowed’ the Motown file copy? Berry Gordy ordered all copies to be destoyed so he would be unlikely to keep one. Is the copy in Todmorden playable or too warped... I can’t recall the rumours on this one? I was led to believe and I'm sure the manager of the pressing plant when interviewed said one copy to Motown for their files, one copy to Jobete for their files. Gordy could well have had a copy of every thing he cu to vinyl? I would if I owned a label. There was a rumour Gordy bought the collection of Reg Bartlette, allegedly the most comprehensive collection there is, and there was allegedly a copy in that. All rumours and guessing I suppose. Edited November 22, 2019 by Chalky
Chalky Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shufflin said: more exposure makes something less desirable especially if seen to be a bit cheesy? like I said dunno, not one I'd go after if won lottery It can't get anymore over exposed than KFC Adverts and that didn't stop someone shelling out £26k and £75k for the test press. 1
Guest Shufflin Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 Just now, Chalky said: It can't get anymore over exposed than KFC Adverts and that didn't stop someone shelling out £26k and £75k for the test press. fair enough but ads are kind of 'neutral' in the sense they are fillers between programmes, most might miss em, or not - Strictly is something else, how can that enhance the desirability of the 45?
Frankie Crocker Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Chalky said: I was led to believe and I'm sure the manager of the pressing plant when interviewed said one copy to Motown for their files, one copy to Jobete for their files. Gordy could well have had a copy of every thing he cu to vinyl? I would if I owned a label. But if a producer/arranger like Frank Wilson went and cut a record without your approval, and this attempt to become a performing artist fell short of the exacting standards at Motown, you might be so hopping mad, you would order all copies of the track to be destroyed if you were the label owner. Edited November 22, 2019 by Frankie Crocker insert a letter
Bunderthollox Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 16 hours ago, Chalky said: One in Scunthorpe, one in Todmorden, test press in Detroit. File copies probably in Jobete or Motown. No more known about although Gordy is rumoured to have one. Scunny eh-must be.......RS 2
Chalky Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Frankie Crocker said: But if a producer/arranger like Frank Wilson went and cut a record without your approval, and this attempt to become a performing artist fell short of the exacting standards at Motown, you might be so hopping mad, you would order all copies of the track to be destroyed if you were the label owner. Wasn’t done without his knowledge though was it, only after the session was it decided he’d put his efforts into writing and producing. Regardless they weren’t all destroyed, along with file copies at least one found its way into the hands of a pressing plant employee. 3
Guest Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 Does the Mona Lisa get less expensive the more it`s looked at?
Tomangoes Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 I thought before any record went to production, even as a demo, it had to have approval of the 'committee'. This disc certainly ticks all the boxes for intrigue. Ed 2
Frankie Crocker Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Tomangoes said: I thought before any record went to production, even as a demo, it had to have approval of the 'committee'. This disc certainly ticks all the boxes for intrigue. Ed I think the approach at Motown was to fast-track the acts through the studio and have a weekly ‘group’ meeting about what went to the pressing plant on the basis of sales potential. Berry Gordy had the final say more often than not. Ultimately, only the ‘best of the best’ tracks made the cut as Berry was seeking mass appeal and chart success. That said, plenty of really good sounds were left in the can as we well know. 1
Chalky Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Tomangoes said: I thought before any record went to production, even as a demo, it had to have approval of the 'committee'. This disc certainly ticks all the boxes for intrigue. Ed It had obviously been through all the processes as it had gone to the pressing plants. It was whilst going through the process that they decided he would no longer be an act but a writer, producer etc. The company pressed 6 copies for evaluation, file copies filed the rest ordered destroyed. There is a comprehensive write up somewhere on site. As for the exposure tonight, don't think it will make any difference in our world.
Simon T Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Chalky said: There is a comprehensive write up somewhere on site. https://www.soul-source.co.uk/articles/soul-articles/frank-wilson-the-story-of-do-i-love-you-indeed-i-do-r2565/ Edited November 23, 2019 by Simon T 2
Blackpoolsoul Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) Fascinating timing with this thread Just watched Kelvin Fletcher and Oti Mabuse doing there routine on "Strictly" to the song......question ? your cup of tea or not Edited November 23, 2019 by Blackpoolsoul
Pablorally Posted November 23, 2019 Author Posted November 23, 2019 Can you believe it. It's just been on strictly come dancing... That's put another 5k on it's value...
Blackpoolsoul Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Pablorally said: Can you believe it. It's just been on strictly come dancing... That's put another 5k on it's value... Do you mean the supposed copy that has and never will be found or the other one
Soul-slider Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Fascinating timing with this thread Just watched Kelvin Fletcher and Oti Mabuse doing there routine on "Strictly" to the song......question ? your cup of tea or not You cannot deny the man's dancing credentials, and he really loves the record. If he was my son I'd be as proud as anything. Kudos to him! BTW he's too old to be my son, just putting that out there Edited November 23, 2019 by Soul-Slider 1
Pablorally Posted November 23, 2019 Author Posted November 23, 2019 Btw I wasn't watching strictly come dancing either. I heard it from the other room. My missus was watching it. Lol. I was watching salvage hunters. Hahaha....
Pablorally Posted November 23, 2019 Author Posted November 23, 2019 28 minutes ago, Blackpoolsoul said: Fascinating timing with this thread Just watched Kelvin Fletcher and Oti Mabuse doing there routine on "Strictly" to the song......question ? your cup of tea or not Brilliant. That's put Northern Soul further up the league with the public.... Onwards and upwards.... KFC....
Chalky Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, Pablorally said: Can you believe it. It's just been on strictly come dancing... That's put another 5k on it's value... Do you seriously think anyone in that audience is prepared to splash out the sort of money soul collectors do? There isn't one I bet in that audience who is even remotely interested in owning a proper copy unless given to them so they can sell it. Why would it increase the value? I bet the adverts it has featured in has reached a bigger audience. 1
Pablorally Posted November 23, 2019 Author Posted November 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chalky said: Do you seriously think anyone in that audience is prepared to splash out the sort of money soul collectors do? There isn't one I bet in that audience who is even remotely interested in owning a proper copy unless given to them so they can sell it. Why would it increase the value? I bet the adverts it has featured in has reached a bigger audience. Hahaha...... 1
Dylan Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 Dancing wasnt the best. No backdrop, fast spin or high kick. all in time but very ordinary. according to my wife...... 1
Blackpoolsoul Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Dylan said: Dancing wasnt the best. No backdrop, fast spin or high kick. all in time but very ordinary. according to my wife...... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/strictlycomedancing/video-2055364/Video-Kevin-Oti-deliver-energetic-routine-Strictly-Week-10.html
Popular Post Joesoap Posted November 24, 2019 Popular Post Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) IMHO its value relates to its rarity and the fact that it's collectable because it's Motown and because of its legendary status. Quality-wise, come on... it's good but far from the best record ever made, it's far from the best record played on the scene, it's not the best record from Motown and it's probably not even the best record on Soul. No disrespect but if it had got released and flopped and copies were available would it really have this special status? Ironically, converse to its rarity as a withdrawn release it's now the 'go to' for the know-nothing media and any old assorted div that wants to spout off about 'Northern Soul'.. Saturday evening peak time TV for a family audience is nothing to do with the rare soul scene as I remember and treasure it. In fact, wasn't that part of the boring, rotten old world we were trying to escape from? Anyway, these are just my views. Rant over. No offence intended. Edited November 24, 2019 by Joesoap 8
Rick Scott Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 never owned an original of the record and certainly don't have that sort of money to spend on a record, Chalky is correct about the Scunny and Hull connection, i know the lass from scunny whose boyfriend from Hull bought the record for her but when they parted company i believe the record went with him...... Rick 1
Tomangoes Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 I'd put it at the head of a top 3 including the Carstairs and Al Wilson as ' love em or hate em' on this scene. I'm biased since I met Frank, heard him sing it live 10feet in front of me, and danced to it at Wigan. It's rarity adds value, it's history adds intrigue, but it's an icon, as previously reported, as probably the best known Northern Soul record to the general public. I'd guess at £50k now if a copy changed hands. In terms of collecting, along with a well published list of rare vynil, it's a must have item. I'd rather have 500 x £100 originals personally. Both scenarios are not likely to happen BUT I have been privileged to have the second choice back in the day when they were £10 each! Ed 1
Chalky Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Rick Scott said: never owned an original of the record and certainly don't have that sort of money to spend on a record, Chalky is correct about the Scunny and Hull connection, i know the lass from scunny whose boyfriend from Hull bought the record for her but when they parted company i believe the record went with him...... Rick Still with him in Scunny I believe. John Manship revisited it a while back, there is a video on line somewhere I think? 2
Popular Post Zed1 Posted November 24, 2019 Popular Post Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Blackpoolsoul said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/strictlycomedancing/video-2055364/Video-Kevin-Oti-deliver-energetic-routine-Strictly-Week-10.html Northern Soul - Where did it all go wrong?. Edited November 24, 2019 by Zed1 4
Blackpoolsoul Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Zed1 said: Northern Soul - Where did it all go wrong?. To be Fair to Kelvin I think his father was a Northern Soulie. I was when I was a kid, before my adult days
Guest Shufflin Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 I'd imagine there will now be a Strictly limited edition 45 with picture sleeve, evoking the working class kitchen complete with table and kettle
Frankie Crocker Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 I think I’ll stick with my Eddie Foster bootleg now as there’s no chance of upgrading to an original copy... 2
Guest Shufflin Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Frankie Crocker said: I think I’ll stick with my Eddie Foster bootleg now as there’s no chance of upgrading to an original copy... Edited November 24, 2019 by Shufflin meant for the Strictly topic
Timillustrator Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 So which copy was this then? https://www.candgnews.com/news/record-store-sells-rare-vinyl-to-third-man-records-founder-jack-white-107476
Guest Shufflin Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 "While the store has multiple genres to choose from, Frank Wilson’s vinyl was a part of Zieja’s personal collection." presumably the test press (Jack White) one?
Blackpoolsoul Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 9 minutes ago, Timillustrator said: So which copy was this then? https://www.candgnews.com/news/record-store-sells-rare-vinyl-to-third-man-records-founder-jack-white-107476 Very interesting would like to know please
Dylan Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Timillustrator said: So which copy was this then? https://www.candgnews.com/news/record-store-sells-rare-vinyl-to-third-man-records-founder-jack-white-107476 That was the 3rd copy the test press there was a large thread on here when it was found. maybe found is the wrong word. When the owners decided they wanted to sell is more like it. And made the collecting world aware they had it. Edited November 24, 2019 by Dylan 1
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