Pete S Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 (edited) Bought a record off ebay on december 5th...described as definite original...cost me £50. Have now found out it's not an original at all but a cheap bootleg pressing. I guess I should have checked all the facts first but surely, the fact that it was described as an original and the fact I bought it on the understanding it's an original - that should enable me to ask for my money back, shouldn't it? Edited January 4, 2007 by Pete-S Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Martint Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Yes, it should be as described. Calling it a 'definite original' means it should be so IMO. Let's a have a link so we can all get outraged. I can't quite believe you've posted this in this manner Pete, you must be feeling very chilled out today Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Rich Buckley Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Absolutely you should be able to get your money back. It's breach of contract and/or fraud/misrepresentation. You contracted and paid for a "definite original" and have been given a boot in exchange for your cash. Have you already gone back to the seller - what is he/she saying? Get on to Ebay too if no luck with seller. Let me know if you need a hand... Rich Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Yes, it should be as described. Calling it a 'definite original' means it should be so IMO. Let's a have a link so we can all get outraged. I can't quite believe you've posted this in this manner Pete, you must be feeling very chilled out today Have a look mate. How embarassing. Not only the mistake, but the actual record just thought it was cheap for an original! https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...p;rd=1&rd=1 Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Bearsy Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Pete i would definately get back in touch with the seller and demand my money back as he has advertised it as something it aint, if you paid through Paypal you can get in touch with them and put a dispute in. let him know that an expert has taken a look at it or you bought it for someone as a present and its only just come to light. Either that or lump it which is a hard thing to take. Good luck Bearsy Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Absolutely you should be able to get your money back. It's breach of contract and/or fraud/misrepresentation. You contracted and paid for a "definite original" and have been given a boot in exchange for your cash. Have you already gone back to the seller - what is he/she saying? Get on to Ebay too if no luck with seller. Let me know if you need a hand... Rich No response from the seller Rich but to be fair I only contacted them at about 10am this morning Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Pete i would definately get back in touch with the seller and demand my money back as he has advertised it as something it aint, if you paid through Paypal you can get in touch with them and put a dispute in. let him know that an expert has taken a look at it or you bought it for someone as a present and its only just come to light. Either that or lump it which is a hard thing to take. Good luck Bearsy Nah if it was a tenner I'd lump it mate but not 50...I can by an awful lot of nappies and baby milk with 50 quid :-) Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 pete.. whats the odds the seller insists it is an original and that you are wrong.. i know who i'd rather trust mate.. bless jc the messiah of northern soul Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Gene-r Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 You should be able to claim through PayPal, but check this out first: www.paypalsucks.com/ If they try to wash their hands of it, the Financial Ombudsman should be able to help kick their arses to follow up the investigation properly. PayPal have a terrible reputation of forever trying to take the easy way out of claims. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Baz Atkinson Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 GET HIS ADDRESS AND SORT IT BAZ A. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 GET HIS ADDRESS AND SORT IT BAZ A. Hi Pete ..... The chap's statement of the record never being booted throws me a little bit ; I feel sure that I can remember the disc having being pressed - a white shiny label with black slightly ' embossed ' label design and lettering . Malc Burton Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Pete That is the 1975 styrene bootleg delta # 97748. The original has a yellow label onto vinyl. If you call me I can probably help..I'll go into more detail on the phone. John Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
mischief Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Pete if you only emailed him this morning he maybe at work.. he has several items finishing in a couple of days so he should be checking hes messages now anyway.. Good luck let us know how you get on.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Pete That is the 1975 styrene bootleg delta # 97748. The original has a yellow label onto vinyl. If you call me I can probably help..I'll go into more detail on the phone. John John, I actually have two of these in my pressings box...I've got 3 copies now but anyone armed with this information I at least have witnesses who agree it's a bootleg, cheers Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Not Only Should You Get Your Money Back But You Should Dole Out Some Serious GBH About The Sellers Ears! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Brian Ellis Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Pete The guy has got a good feedback rating with over 700 transactions. Maybe he's made a genuine error in describing the record as such - i.e. he believed that it is an original. So benefit of the doubt until you get a reply. I wouldn't have thought he'd want to receive negative feedback or be on the end of rapier verbals from you! By the way I remember seeing these (white label) in the Goldmine shop in Manchester in the mid 90s - always seemed to have a plentiful stock. Brian Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Godzilla Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 So is this that "lesser copy" that you were going to give me a sound clip of? Thought it was taking you a long time to go upstairs While we're on this record, does anyone know anything abour the other labe design? I got one from Soul Bowl in the mid 70's that had a much cruder drawing of a bird and "chirrup" coming out of the beak in kinda pencil script rather than the blocky writing on the usual label. It was yellow but if I remember rightly it could have been a deeper, almost mustard shade. I think the bird looked less parrotish and more like a crap drawing of a sparrow. There was no photo either. Godz Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Budgie Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Don't really want to get involved but ''Exclusively licensed to Soul Galore Producers'' as clearly stated on label should have given a bit of a clue to it's originality. Pete. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Don't really want to get involved but ''Exclusively licensed to Soul Galore Producers'' as clearly stated on label should have given a bit of a clue to it's originality. Pete. Ha ha, yeah I know, but the weird thing is, it'd got some kind of protective film over the label, which changed the colour from bright white to more like a grey colour and I honestly didn't look properly. Having said that, the onus isn't really on me is it, I'm not the one saying it's an original.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Supercorsa Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Talking of cock ups and ebay. My wife bid on a small table & 2 chairs, for the living room. The sellers listing stated that it was collection only. My wife asks me " Where's Ripley?" I reply "Just outside Woking." The wife wins the table and chairs, my mate sorts out a van to pick up the said table and chairs. Then confirmation comes through of winning bid, with the sellers address. They do live in Ripley, Ripley DERBYSHIRE! Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Netspeaky Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Ha ha, yeah I know, but the weird thing is, it'd got some kind of protective film over the label, which changed the colour from bright white to more like a grey colour and I honestly didn't look properly. Having said that, the onus isn't really on me is it, I'm not the one saying it's an original..Pete, the onus is on the buyer surely, as the seller may not know what he's selling. If it's a mistake on his behalf I'm sure he will replace, as 700+ positive feedbacks he seems honest enough to me, not to get a load of hassle for £50. I would give him 48hrs before I started jumping up and down as well, as if he's anything like me checking his email, he may not see it staight away. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Pete S Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 Pete, the onus is on the buyer surely, as the seller may not know what he's selling. If it's a mistake on his behalf I'm sure he will replace, as 700+ positive feedbacks he seems honest enough to me, not to get a load of hassle for £50. I would give him 48hrs before I started jumping up and down as well, as if he's anything like me checking his email, he may not see it staight away. I never said I was going to give him any hassle, in fact I said above I only emailed him this morning...he's replied and said he didn't realise and will refund the money anyway. But do me a favour, onus on the buyer?? When the seller is describing the item incorrectly it's hardly my fault is it. In fact that's an unbelievable statement to come out with. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
mischief Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Glad you got it sorted Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The real ones,the only yellow is the budgie. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The real ones,the only yellow is the budgie. Budgie my arse. It's a Canary. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Budgie my arse. It's a Canary. Whatever,the bird is yellow. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 No it's the very rare "lesser spotted pressing bird".................sorry pete couldn't help myself Derek Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 as in Canary Yellow? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 as in Canary Yellow? Wheres Bill Oddie when you need him,are there not any yellow budgies then? Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Wheres Bill Oddie when you need him,are there not any yellow budgies then? There are but dominant colours are Blue and Green. Hence the term "Budgies Heads" being applied to Sprouts Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mace Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 There are but dominant colours are Blue and Green. Hence the term "Budgies Heads" being applied to Sprouts Since when have sprouts been blue and green.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 There are but dominant colours are Blue and Green. Hence the term "Budgies Heads" being applied to Sprouts I would have thought it would be the none dominant variaty maybe,But its as rare as hens teeth,only ever seen two. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
pikeys dog Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Since when have sprouts been blue and green.... You've never seen what my missus dishes up.... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
arnie j Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 i like sprouts,never did when i was a lad,but i do now Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mace Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 You've never seen what my missus dishes up.... Are you sure... Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Mace Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 i like sprouts,never did when i was a lad,but i do now Chuck a spoonful of honey into the water when boiling 'em...tasty as f*ck and giver you the sweetest farts ever.. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Guest bleusuperb Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 (edited) Pete, the onus is on the buyer surely, as the seller may not know what he's selling. If it's a mistake on his behalf I'm sure he will replace, as 700+ positive feedbacks he seems honest enough to me, not to get a load of hassle for £50. I would give him 48hrs before I started jumping up and down as well, as if he's anything like me checking his email, he may not see it staight away. Can,t see why the onus is on the buyer, if he had listed it without the word "original or not a boot" then maybe the buyer has a responsibility to check exactly what he is buying, but by telling you that it is not a boot he assumes full responsibility. Edited January 5, 2007 by bleusuperb Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 I never said I was going to give him any hassle, in fact I said above I only emailed him this morning...he's replied and said he didn't realise and will refund the money anyway. But do me a favour, onus on the buyer?? When the seller is describing the item incorrectly it's hardly my fault is it. In fact that's an unbelievable statement to come out with. I think if you nread the consumer credit act the onus is on the seller. He did state guaranteed original and as it isn't an original the onus is very much on the seller. Glad you sorted it and nice to see someone honest enough to admit a mistake and give cash back with no fuss. Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
John Parker Posted January 5, 2007 Share Posted January 5, 2007 Have a look mate. How embarassing. Not only the mistake, but the actual record just thought it was cheap for an original! https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vie...p;rd=1&rd=1 YEP--REMEMBER HAVING THIS ONE-- WAS IT AS LONG AGO AS 1975?--AS AN IMPOVERISHED STUDENT Link to comment Social source share More sharing options...
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