Ficklefingers Posted September 10, 2019 Posted September 10, 2019 Rufus Lumley 'Stronger Than Me'.. Obviously, this was an LP only track - other than a monarch test pressing Mr Manship posted on You Tube in 2012 Now then.. does anyone have any info concerning a potential UK release around 1976/77 !?! On information gleened thus far it points to at least a two-sided uk music publishers acetatate being produced, possibly something to do with Magnet Records? but doesn't look it got past the acetate stage.. Anyone ???? 'Cos I'm really intrigued as to the why's and wherefore's, and to whether the acetate is actually real (the labels and smell certainly are).. Fingers
Davlee Posted September 10, 2019 Posted September 10, 2019 I recall seeing a 7" RCA studio labelled acetate that Jonathon Woodliffe had in 1977/78 , not 100% sure it was genuine. it looked the real deal but It was along time ago. Wonder where that ended up..?? Anyone.?
Ficklefingers Posted September 10, 2019 Author Posted September 10, 2019 (edited) Thanks for your post @Davlee That is very interesting 'cos both sides of the acetate I mention are RCA recordings - the fip to 'Stronger Than Me' actually seeing a 7" release in both Italy and Germany in the mid 70's - but it is a different artist altogether There's a story here somewhere.. just got to first get all the pieces of the puzzle, then try to put them together and hopefully see a definitive answer Edited September 10, 2019 by Ficklefingers added text
Andy Rix Posted September 10, 2019 Posted September 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Davlee said: I recall seeing a 7" RCA studio labelled acetate that Jonathon Woodliffe had in 1977/78 , not 100% sure it was genuine. it looked the real deal but It was along time ago. Wonder where that ended up..?? Anyone.? I believe it was a slightly different version as well ... certainly sounded different at the Palais Can somebody ask him ? Andy
Chalky Posted September 10, 2019 Posted September 10, 2019 Would RCA use Monarch? After all they were one of the biggest mastering and manufacturing companies around.
Bo Diddley Posted September 10, 2019 Posted September 10, 2019 The acetate on John M's youtube channel plays much faster than the LP. It may just be pitched up on that deck or the disc. It's the same recording, just being played faster. At least it sounds like that to me. Oddly, the sound is cut at about 2 mins.
Davlee Posted September 11, 2019 Posted September 11, 2019 The one on John Ms tube is not the one i recall. This one was a Printed RCA label and studio information was typed in.
Benji Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 On 10/09/2019 at 13:14, Ficklefingers said: Rufus Lumley 'Stronger Than Me'.. Obviously, this was an LP only track - other than a monarch test pressing Mr Manship posted on You Tube in 2012 Now then.. does anyone have any info concerning a potential UK release around 1976/77 !?! On information gleened thus far it points to at least a two-sided uk music publishers acetatate being produced, possibly something to do with Magnet Records? but doesn't look it got past the acetate stage.. Anyone ???? 'Cos I'm really intrigued as to the why's and wherefore's, and to whether the acetate is actually real (the labels and smell certainly are).. Fingers Hope I understand you right, you've got a UK music publishers acetate from the mid/late 70s. One side is Rufus Lumley stronger than me, flipside is a different artist. Any chance the acetate had blank flip originally and someone used it to cut Stronger than me on it?
Benji Posted September 12, 2019 Posted September 12, 2019 (edited) On 10/09/2019 at 21:00, Chalky said: Would RCA use Monarch? After all they were one of the biggest mastering and manufacturing companies around. From what I remember RCA acetates all had RCA Reference Recording label on them, i.e. cut in-house and not at the pressing plant. Or is the one pictured in the Manship vid a test press and not an acetate? Edited September 12, 2019 by Benji
Amsterdam Russ Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 On 10/09/2019 at 13:14, Ficklefingers said: I'm really intrigued as to the why's and wherefore's, and to whether the acetate is actually real (the labels and smell certainly are).. A scan would be helpful. 1
Chalky Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 14 hours ago, Benji said: From what I remember RCA acetates all had RCA Reference Recording label on them, i.e. cut in-house and not at the pressing plant. Or is the one pictured in the Manship vid a test press and not an acetate? If it was a test press that would indicate a monarch west coast press which is a puzzle when RCA had a massive plant in Hollywood. As you also suggest the lack of any RCA details on the label is also unusual.
Bazm Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 On 10/09/2019 at 16:15, Davlee said: I recall seeing a 7" RCA studio labelled acetate that Jonathon Woodliffe had in 1977/78 , not 100% sure it was genuine. it looked the real deal but It was along time ago. Wonder where that ended up..?? Anyone.? Could this be it?
Davlee Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Very Possible ..memory is not what it was...& there could have been several Where is it now...??? Is it single or 2 sided...?
Amsterdam Russ Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 The one Manship had is a Monarch test press cut on behalf of RCA. Video here... 1
Bazm Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 56 minutes ago, Amsterdam Russ said: The one Manship had is a Monarch test press cut on behalf of RCA. Video here... That writing looks VERY familiar...
Chalky Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Amsterdam Russ said: The one Manship had is a Monarch test press cut on behalf of RCA. Video here... My question still remains though, would RCA have used Monarch considering their mastering and production facilities?
Andy Rix Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Bazm said: That writing looks VERY familiar... That's because it belongs to Ian Clark ... one could therefore assume this 'acetate' originated from somewhere in the Guildford area .. as opposed to L.A. Andy 3
Chalky Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, Andy Rix said: That's because it belongs to Ian Clark ... one could therefore assume this 'acetate' originated from somewhere in the Guildford area .. as opposed to L.A. Andy I did think its origins lay nearer to home.
Amsterdam Russ Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 50 minutes ago, Andy Rix said: That's because it belongs to Ian Clark ... one could therefore assume this 'acetate' originated from somewhere in the Guildford area .. as opposed to L.A. Hahaha - now that you say that, in looking at the bit of writing on the left of the label, it does in fact appear to say Ian Clark!
Ficklefingers Posted September 13, 2019 Author Posted September 13, 2019 20 hours ago, Benji said: Hope I understand you right, you've got a UK music publishers acetate from the mid/late 70s. One side is Rufus Lumley stronger than me, flipside is a different artist. Any chance the acetate had blank flip originally and someone used it to cut Stronger than me on it? You do understand Benji.. but it's POTENTIALLY a music publishers acetate. The labels are certainly real, as is that 'smell' you notice with 'aged' acetates.. But there are a few questions that need to be uncovered before determining it to be the 'real deal' - e.g. the flip to Stronger Than Me is not only a completely different artist (although the track title is typed on the label there are no artist identifiers), its a mid 70's recording, which did see release in both Germany & Italy and features a flip by the same artist.. Hope all that makes sense I'm currently awaiting feedback from a couple of people that (hopefully) can throw a bit more light on things, or information that would at least negate some of the possible scenareos surrounding this particular acetate - which initself would help in determining the facts behind it
Blackpoolsoul Posted April 3, 2021 Posted April 3, 2021 On 13/09/2019 at 17:18, Chalky said: I did think its origins lay nearer to home. Didn't SS use Monarch and pop in to Selectadisc and other such places and people in the UK in those days
Soul-slider Posted April 4, 2021 Posted April 4, 2021 Just want to add, there is a 45 of this by the writer of it, Paul Anka on RCA Victor. Only trouble is it's sung in Italian!
Amsterdam Russ Posted April 4, 2021 Posted April 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Soul-slider said: Just want to add, there is a 45 of this by the writer of it, Paul Anka on RCA Victor. Only trouble is it's sung in Italian! Yes, I think most of us knew that already. But why play the 45 from YouTube when you can have Paul Anka singing it himself on Italian TV? 1
Gaz T Posted April 4, 2021 Posted April 4, 2021 Long overdue a revival, it was massive in the 80s i bet all the lps have long gone 1
Soul-slider Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 (edited) Just added both acetates on 45cat, someone on there may hopefully come up with the answers. Edited April 5, 2021 by Soul-slider already posted
Mike Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, Soul-slider said: Just added both acetates on 45cat, someone on there may hopefully come up with the answers. laughing here you just posted this along with the image right? Quote johnnyhotspur ● 17 minutes ago Only played off the LP for years. This has turned up, a genuine acetate, possibly? no mention of soul source or the member who posted it expect members to give credits on here when posting stuff from elsewhere, should work the other way as well imo maybe it's time you and others stopped lifting stuff off here and posting it on other sites as if it's your own research whatcha reckon Johnny?
Soul-slider Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Mike said: laughing here you just posted this along with the image right? no mention of soul source or the member who posted it expect members to give credits on here when posting stuff from elsewhere, should work the other way as well imo maybe it's time you and others stopped lifting stuff off here and posting it on other sites as if it's your own research whatcha reckon Johnny? Yeah OK, fair play. I'll edit my posts on there. Apologies Mike.
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