Guest sean daniels Posted January 2, 2007 Posted January 2, 2007 Does anyone know how much for a mint Andy Fisher on fat fish? And how many are out there........?
Sanquine Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 J. Manship guide £1500... best get saving Karen
Dave Moore Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 J. Manship guide £1500... best get saving Karen They're around but hardly ever come up for sale. Quality like this tends to stay in collectors boxes. I've been after one for 15 years. Still looking. Good hunting. Regards, Dave www.theresthatbeat.com www.hitsvillesoulclub.com
Mikevague Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Have it on demo (Vg++), and stock (m-)..... Ah, to live in L.A.........
Quinvy Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Have it on demo (Vg++), and stock (m-)..... Ah, to live in L.A......... That's just being greedy Mike.
Baz Atkinson Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 THE FLIP IS CLASS ALSO,ELUSIVE 45 DEFINETLY. BAZ A.
bri pinch Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 HAVE TO AGREE, PETE. DONT REALLY CARE HOW RARE IT IS, NEVER BEEN IN MY PERSONAL TOP 500. BRI.
Simsy Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 One of the most overrated records ever. Remember you getting an acetate of this done for me a year or so back mate, with Deon Jackson on the flip. £40, lot more like it.
Chalky Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 THE FLIP IS CLASS ALSO,ELUSIVE 45 DEFINETLY. BAZ A. got to agree, the flip is better but top side still good.
Chalky Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Remember you getting an acetate of this done for me a year or so back mate, with Deon Jackson on the flip. £40, lot more like it. Why?
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Remember you getting an acetate of this done for me a year or so back mate, with Deon Jackson on the flip. £40, lot more like it. £20 vinyl carvers,even more like it mr Sims Allthough i wouldnt advocate getting released material done.
Simsy Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Why? Well because at the time, I was about £1460 shy of the cost for a real one and I wouldn't have had 'Someday the sun will shine' either. Also an acetate isn't perhaps quite as awful as the 'dreadful repro' tag. That's why.
Chalky Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Also an acetate isn't perhaps quite as awful as the 'dreadful repro' tag. That's why. they are no different to a boot IMHO if taken from something thats been released as in the Andy Fisher.
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 £20 vinyl carvers,even more like it mr Sims Allthough i wouldnt advocate getting released material done. Unless it a LP trakc only,maybe
Chalky Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Unless it a LP trakc only,maybe personally I'd play the lp itself rather than get a cut, spend the money on something else
Simsy Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 they are no different to a boot IMHO if taken from something thats been released as in the Andy Fisher. Had a feeling you might say similar and I respect your honest opinion. Just that (as already stated) said track is seldom seen and for the effort of having SDTSWS done thought that'd be a good b side.
Guest Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 personally I'd play the lp itself rather than get a cut, spend the money on something else You havent seen the amount of LPs i have left at allnighters,after doing a set,and keeping em` in top order is a pain,so as you can see i will save money in the long term,instead of losing a LP in the short term.
Pete S Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Had a feeling you might say similar and I respect your honest opinion. Just that (as already stated) said track is seldom seen and for the effort of having SDTSWS done thought that'd be a good b side. It's your money, you can spend it on what you like, you'll never get it on 45 so why not get it cut? And how dare anyone question you as to your motives. Tell em to f*ck off.
Pete S Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 I dunno, I don't think it's funny that you are being asked to explain to the soul police why you had the nerve to get an acetate of one of your favourite records cut without their permission
Mikevague Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 That's just being greedy Mike. Or stupid...or both....
John Parker Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 personally I'd play the lp itself rather than get a cut, spend the money on something else [/quote I think I'd just buy something else Chalky---not really a record Iever "got"
Simsy Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 I dunno, I don't think it's funny that you are being asked to explain to the soul police why you had the nerve to get an acetate of one of your favourite records cut without their permission No I thought your remarks were funny. Soul police comments are to be expected and in following the letter of the law they're kind of right. Though I don't give to much of a toss as only have to bare 50% shame for the Andy Fisher.
Chalky Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Had a feeling you might say similar and I respect your honest opinion. Just that (as already stated) said track is seldom seen and for the effort of having SDTSWS done thought that'd be a good b side. maybe thats the sentiment the boot leggers use when pressing copies up
Chalky Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 I dunno, I don't think it's funny that you are being asked to explain to the soul police why you had the nerve to get an acetate of one of your favourite records cut without their permission if purely for listening pleasure then why not buy the cd Kent put out? and hasn't Deon Jackson come out on an official cd? at least some money going to where it should and notr in boot leggers pockets if playing it out then it's no different to playing a pressing or a boot, either side for that matter as someone paid lot of money for the original Deon Jackson acetate
Simsy Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 if purely for listening pleasure then why not buy the cd Kent put out? and hasn't Deon Jackson come out on an official cd? at least some money going to where it should and notr in boot leggers pockets if playing it out then it's no different to playing a pressing or a boot, either side for that matter as someone paid lot of money for the original Deon Jackson acetate So only one person is allowed to play the Deon Jackson acetate?
Dave Rimmer Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 So only one person is allowed to play the Deon Jackson acetate? Yes, because everything else is a copy of the Deon Jackson acetate, because there is only one, owned by Keith Money. Consequently only Keith Money can play the Deon Jackson acetate.
Rupert Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Does anyone know how much for a mint Andy Fisher on fat fish? And how many are out there........? carl fortnum had a copy in his sales box last week i think he £800 on it. so try him.
Simsy Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Yes, because everything else is a copy of the Deon Jackson acetate, because there is only one, owned by Keith Money. Consequently only Keith Money can play the Deon Jackson acetate. Yes but we know that's not the case. I wonder how Keith let others have access to the track in order to cut it if he had the only copy? Who else has the Barons of Soul other than Butch? Anyone else played it? If they have it'd better not be a Grapevine copy ..
Chalky Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Yes but we know that's not the case. I wonder how Keith let others have access to the track in order to cut it if he had the only copy? Who else has the Barons of Soul other than Butch? Anyone else played it? If they have it'd better not be a Grapevine copy .. it belonged to someone else befere it belonged to Keith. I'll ask my mate the story again as he was there when the acetate was first opened.
Pete S Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 it belonged to someone else befere it belonged to Keith. I'll ask my mate the story again as he was there when the acetate was first opened. Was he there at the birth of the baby Jesus???
Chalky Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 it belonged to someone else befere it belonged to Keith. I'll ask my mate the story again as he was there when the acetate was first opened, but it goes something like the acetate was in poor condition and 3 or 4 cuts done at the time in case it was rendered unplayable due needle wear. who has the oirigianl and who has the cut's I couldn't say.
Chalky Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Was he there at the birth of the baby Jesus??? he was one of the three wise men
Simsy Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Scorned by the daughter for laughing loudly over the top of Neighbours! Anyway on topic, fat fish, isn't it? Hmmm ...
Guest melandthensome Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 A mate of mine had a copy of this on Fat Fish in the mid 1980's...... I have tried to find info about the guy can anyone please help. cheers mel
Sanquine Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Can't believe the amount of replies since viewing this morning n the direction in which it's gone.. All this talk about the soul police, boots, re-issues etc... To be honest can't see there's anything to debate, not about personal opinion's, soul policing... If someone own's the original Tape - Acetate - Demo or Issue - regardless of anything no-one else has a right to take cut n why should they, just cause say a record is the only known copy worth £4,000 or acetate only - what right would I have to get a cut of it n why would I want to - believe me there's a fair few I would love n can't afford etc but would never get nor want a cut unless ok given by the owner - certainly not if Issued - what would be the point it's not authentic, that's surely not what collecting is all about n above all not an honest or honorable way to be... oops best go n do tea said I'd only be a min.... (wfI) Karen
Guest Trevski Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Scorned by the daughter for laughing loudly over the top of Neighbours! Anyway on topic, fat fish, isn't it? Hmmm ... Certainly is, and I think it's an excellent tune, would love a (real) copy.
Monique Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Does anyone know how much for a mint Andy Fisher on fat fish? And how many are out there........? going back to your original question Sean Pete Lowrie used to play this around 1997 and he sold a lot of his collection. Simsy might remember this didn't Ian Clark used to play it at the 100 club as well.
Pete S Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Can't believe the amount of replies since viewing this morning n the direction in which it's gone.. All this talk about the soul police, boots, re-issues etc... To be honest can't see there's anything to debate, not about personal opinion's, soul policing... If someone own's the original Tape - Acetate - Demo or Issue - regardless of anything no-one else has a right to take cut n why should they, just cause say a record is the only known copy worth £4,000 or acetate only - what right would I have to get a cut of it n why would I want to - believe me there's a fair few I would love n can't afford etc but would never get nor want a cut unless ok given by the owner - certainly not if Issued - what would be the point it's not authentic, that's surely not what collecting is all about n above all not an honest or honorable way to be... oops best go n do tea said I'd only be a min.... (wfI) Karen If no-one had cut acetates from one off discs in the 70's there would be no northern scene now. You could not have just the one copy of something to make a record big. It needed to be played at the major venues, the midweek venues and even down the youth club. Nowadays people just don't travel to hear an exclusive record played at just one venue - if they do, they number in the low hundreds. As far as I'm concerned collecting does not have to be about owning the original record, which is now just a rich mans pastime, I don't give a damn what format it's on. So it's a vinyl carvers dub, so what, it's on vinyl and I can play it. And in any case what gives the DJ who has the original acetate the right to be the only person with a copy Karen? He didn't play on the record, produce it, sing on it or even write it. Someone else did all those things. He has no rights whatsoever unless he's bought the copyright from the owner. No wonder outsiders think half the people on the northern scene have their heads up their arses "would never get nor want a cut unless ok given by the owner" give me strength
Rushden Vic Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Can't believe the amount of replies since viewing this morning n the direction in which it's gone.. All this talk about the soul police, boots, re-issues etc... To be honest can't see there's anything to debate, not about personal opinion's, soul policing... If someone own's the original Tape - Acetate - Demo or Issue - regardless of anything no-one else has a right to take cut n why should they, just cause say a record is the only known copy worth £4,000 or acetate only - what right would I have to get a cut of it n why would I want to - believe me there's a fair few I would love n can't afford etc but would never get nor want a cut unless ok given by the owner - certainly not if Issued - what would be the point it's not authentic, that's surely not what collecting is all about n above all not an honest or honorable way to be... oops best go n do tea said I'd only be a min.... (wfI) Karen well said that man
Simsy Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 If no-one had cut acetates from one off discs in the 70's there would be no northern scene now. You could not have just the one copy of something to make a record big. It needed to be played at the major venues, the midweek venues and even down the youth club. Nowadays people just don't travel to hear an exclusive record played at just one venue - if they do, they number in the low hundreds. As far as I'm concerned collecting does not have to be about owning the original record, which is now just a rich mans pastime, I don't give a damn what format it's on. So it's a vinyl carvers dub, so what, it's on vinyl and I can play it. And in any case what gives the DJ who has the original acetate the right to be the only person with a copy Karen? He didn't play on the record, produce it, sing on it or even write it. Someone else did all those things. He has no rights whatsoever unless he's bought the copyright from the owner. No wonder outsiders think half the people on the northern scene have their heads up their arses "would never get nor want a cut unless ok given by the owner" give me strength well said that man
Simon T Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 it belonged to someone else befere it belonged to Keith. I'll ask my mate the story again as he was there when the acetate was first opened. The acetate was sold to Nige Parker by Tim Brown in the late eighties. Nige wouldn't let anyone have it on tape even for his best mates (Nige, I taped while you were at the chip shop you tight git, but never passed it on! ) However, he eventually got two EMI's cut for Carl Fortnum and Gary Spencer. Nige sold up around 95 /6 ? , but I don't know who it went to. On a previous thread on SS, someone said they had cut some EMI's whilst it was still in the possession of Tim Brown. I saw an acetate in Carl F's box about 3 years ago, but didn't check to see if it was the original or the copy. When Nige had it, it was pretty well battered, so I would be suprised if whoever has it could still be able to play it, or would indeed want to risk it and damage it further.
Simon T Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 going back to your original question Sean Pete Lowrie used to play this around 1997 and he sold a lot of his collection. Simsy might remember this didn't Ian Clark used to play it at the 100 club as well. Clarky had a copy which I had on tape around 85, also got a tape off Keb in 87 with both sides on.
Ady Potts Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 The acetate was sold to Nige Parker by Tim Brown in the late eighties. Nige wouldn't let anyone have it on tape even for his best mates (Nige, I taped while you were at the chip shop you tight git, but never passed it on! ) However, he eventually got two EMI's cut for Carl Fortnum and Gary Spencer. Nige sold up around 95 /6 ? , but I don't know who it went to. On a previous thread on SS, someone said they had cut some EMI's whilst it was still in the possession of Tim Brown. I saw an acetate in Carl F's box about 3 years ago, but didn't check to see if it was the original or the copy. When Nige had it, it was pretty well battered, so I would be suprised if whoever has it could still be able to play it, or would indeed want to risk it and damage it further. Hello Simon, Carl F's got the original now. pottsy.
John Parker Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Can't believe the amount of replies since viewing this morning n the direction in which it's gone.. All this talk about the soul police, boots, re-issues etc... To be honest can't see there's anything to debate, not about personal opinion's, soul policing... If someone own's the original Tape - Acetate - Demo or Issue - regardless of anything no-one else has a right to take cut n why should they, just cause say a record is the only known copy worth £4,000 or acetate only - what right would I have to get a cut of it n why would I want to - believe me there's a fair few I would love n can't afford etc but would never get nor want a cut unless ok given by the owner - certainly not if Issued - what would be the point it's not authentic, that's surely not what collecting is all about n above all not an honest or honorable way to be... oops best go n do tea said I'd only be a min.... (wfI) Karen Hi Karen Got to agreee with you in principal about this-- seems to me there are 2 issues 1. Who has the right to re-issue 2. Who on earth wants to buy them? Hate to bring it back to the same old same but why do people fork out hard earned cash for these dreadful items when there is a world of originl vinyl to go at---- if someone has that ultra rare exclusive item then -fantastic-- but no need in this day of mp3's -cds-downloads etc to ape at ownwership of said items--do the down loads and keep it at home.-- why the need to own it on vinyl/acetate-- nowt as strange as folk[as they say on yorkshire]
Simsy Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 To get back to the original question for a sec, was this definitely about Hearts beating stronger, or the vastly superior (imo) Wee bit longer ..?
Jumpinjoan Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 Clarky had a copy which I had on tape around 85, also got a tape off Keb in 87 with both sides on. Both sides were on a tape i got off Keb around that time too Simon. Keith Money plays the alternate version of 'Hearts'... played it at Soul or Nothing when he DJ'd there a couple of months back... not as good imo.
Guest Baz Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 If no-one had cut acetates from one off discs in the 70's there would be no northern scene now. You could not have just the one copy of something to make a record big. It needed to be played at the major venues, the midweek venues and even down the youth club. Nowadays people just don't travel to hear an exclusive record played at just one venue - if they do, they number in the low hundreds. Plenty of one off's played at the 100 club each month
Sanquine Posted January 3, 2007 Posted January 3, 2007 (edited) If no-one had cut acetates from one off discs in the 70's there would be no northern scene now. You could not have just the one copy of something to make a record big. It needed to be played at the major venues, the midweek venues and even down the youth club. Nowadays people just don't travel to hear an exclusive record played at just one venue - if they do, they number in the low hundreds. As far as I'm concerned collecting does not have to be about owning the original record, which is now just a rich mans pastime, I don't give a damn what format it's on. So it's a vinyl carvers dub, so what, it's on vinyl and I can play it. And in any case what gives the DJ who has the original acetate the right to be the only person with a copy Karen? He didn't play on the record, produce it, sing on it or even write it. Someone else did all those things. He has no rights whatsoever unless he's bought the copyright from the owner. No wonder outsiders think half the people on the northern scene have their heads up their arses "would never get nor want a cut unless ok given by the owner" give me strength Guess a different set of principle's Pete.... "And in any case what gives the DJ who has the original acetate the right to be the only person with a copy Karen? " The fact that they own it, n that they put time n effort into finding it in the first place or paid good money to buy it when brought to their attention or both. What right has anyone to take a cut for free or without the owners knowledge .... Say a mate trust's you n does a cd with full version of an unreleased track/rare only few known copy Issue, do you go get a cut - course not (polite ladies version) but some have - same goes for recording DJ set's without DJ knowing... IMO the scene has several aspects to it - the love and feel for the music from deep within - the passion to express this through dancing - the want to hear it no matter what format - the passion of collecting the original format it came out on - be it Acetate - Demo or Issue. Can't agree that collecting is just a rich mans pastime - I've had to re-build my collection from scratch n I'm certainly not rich by anymean's, but with time and effort have seen some very good original vinyl going into the collection again. "would never get nor want a cut unless ok given by the owner" "give me strength" give respect to others. What's wrong with not abusing the trust others put in you? "No wonder outsiders think half the people on the northern scene have their heads up their arses" !!!! My arse ain't big enough Karen Edited January 3, 2007 by sanquine
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